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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[SuperDeeDuper]

Lyndon LaRouche did nothing wrong.

democracy really and truly is a sham, a smokescreen. liberal democratic societies are no less manipulative and authoritative than other systems, the difference is that those other systems were open about having strict rules and producing propaganda and squeezing out dissenters. democracy pretends to be all about 'the individual' and 'the will of the people' and 'rationality,' right up until one or more of those things diverges from the interests of big business and the government. the second that happens, suddenly its no longer the true 'will of the people,' and what the common folk want is painted as a 'threat to democracy.'

people fall for it because neo-liberalism has done a better job of placating people and making them feel comfortable than any system before it. consumerism keeps people distracted from the way things are actually being run, to the point that the majority of people don't even know or care about politics or world events. they just want to talk about their tv shows and check their social media apps and avoid seeing how the sausage is made.

systems like communism and fascism are decried for being 'authoritative' or 'relying on force' but if the public understood how much death and destruction has been carried out in order to secure the political interests of the neo-liberal economic system, they would see that their is no difference. neo-liberalism has certainly made more use of violence than any fascist state did, and probably about as much as communist states have...but the fact that its far away violence in foreign lands makes it easy for people to ignore.

and it's not even that i think using violence is 'wrong,' all systems depend on it. it's the manipulation and the constant lies and gaslighting that makes me despise democracy. no other system does it to this degree or in this fashion. a communist or a fascist will tell you who they'd ban or kill and why, a liberal will tell you everyone is free and welcome even as they are manipulating and suppressing you

 

[Lemmingwise]

no other system does it to this degree or in this fashion. a communist or a fascist will tell you who they'd ban or kill and why,

Is that really so?

Communist example.

Fascist example.

 

[PassoverWorshipper]

If you live in the UK, your first thought every morning should be "How do I get the fuck out of my country". If it is not, then you're a lost cause. Stay put, the Imam will be by to tell you which mosque to report to.

"Don't defend your homeland, goy. Abandon it and your countrymen and become a rootless cosmopolitan."

How's the weather in Tel Aviv today, Schlomo?

 

[Arcturus]

Too bad the west will continue to enjoy eating shit. Stuff like this at one time would have caused outrage. No one will bat an eye at this and it'll be written off as the UK doing the right thing just trying to save the poor muzzies from discrimination.

 

[Syaoran Li]

This bullshit was predicted on American TV sitcoms back in the 70's

Seriously though, this is just a failing astroturf attempt that the British government is using to keep people from resenting their broken nanny state government even more than they already do and possibly doing something more drastic. The fact that this tactic is now being publicly acknowledged by the British government is going to backfire on them spectacularly.

Things like the 2011 riots, the failed bid at Scottish independence, and the absolute clusterfuck that is Brexit have only made the London elites more paranoid and authoritarian.

TL;DR-The UK is governed by losers and I would not have sex with them

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

This bullshit was predicted on American TV sitcoms back in the 70's

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7dKpHtc9F9M
Seriously though, this is just a failing astroturf attempt that the British government is using to keep people from resenting their broken nanny state government even more than they already do and possibly doing something more drastic. The fact that this tactic is now being publicly acknowledged by the British government is going to backfire on them spectacularly.

Things like the 2011 riots, the failed bid at Scottish independence, and the absolute clusterfuck that is Brexit have only made the London elites more paranoid and authoritarian.

TL;DR-The UK is governed by losers and I would not have sex with them

It's sad to see that people are now at the point that they wouldn't even rape government officials.

 

[Azovka]

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London teens sent to Africa to escape knife crime
By Sean ClareBBC
Victoria Derbyshire programme

Hundreds of British teenagers are being sent by their parents to East Africa to avoid knife crime in the UK, representatives of the Somali community say. Why are they taking this drastic choice?

Some names have been changed to protect the identity of the interviewees.

"In those few years I was doing my A-levels it was tough. Just seeing people being dropped every other day, being stabbed," Yusuf tells the Victoria Derbyshire programme from his new home in Kenya.

"London's not the place to be for a teenager."

Yusuf was born and raised in London but moved to Nairobi after a close friend in his neighbourhood was stabbed to death.

It is a decision an increasing number of parents are taking, for their children's safety.

Of the 100 people stabbed to death in the UK so far this year, 8% were of Somali heritage, according to the Rise Projects which works with young British Somalis in north London.

Jamal Hassan mentors young men in London, many from Somali families. He explains parents "want to protect that child by all means necessary".

"If it means that child doesn't finish school, college, university or he will not have a good job by the time you come for them the future is not really important.

"What's important is that child's life."

One mother who had sent her child to Africa told him she could now sleep at night, because she knew any police sirens she heard were not for her son.

'Sense of freedom'

Jamal went to Kenya as a teenager, when he says problems for him in London "were at their peak".

He says there are parallels with the present day.

"One of the things I'll never forget, is the fact that when you walk in the streets in Kenya you don't have to look over your shoulder.

"Here I could travel in and out of the city, go and visit whoever I wanted, and it was good. I felt a sense of freedom.

"But for these kids [in London that can be] life and death."

'Permanent damage'
Others, such as Abdul, who is in his early 20s, left London because they had started to get into trouble with the police.

"When I came here it was like a clean sheet," Abdul said.

"No-one knew me, no-one knows my history. There [in London], you have people that look like you going after you.

"My mum feels I'm much safer here than anywhere else in the world."

Parents say they do not view the move as a long-term solution - some children stay in Africa while others return.

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) advises against all travel to Somalia, including Somaliland, and highlights a heightened threat of terrorism and kidnappings, across Kenya.

But Amina sent her 15-year-old son to Somaliland, when she was worried about the new friends with whom he was mixing.

In his year there, she says he became a studious child again.

He had even wanted to stay in East Africa.

But within 17 days of being brought back to the UK in November 2018, he was stabbed four times.

"He's been completely traumatised by the experience," she says.

"They damaged his bladder, his kidneys, his liver. He's got permanent damage.

"He was safer there [in Somaliland] than he was here… 100% more safe than in London."

'Desperate parents'

The new mayor for Islington, Rakhia Ismail - a mother of four who came to London from Somalia as a refugee - believes that some areas of the city are unsafe for young people.

"Does the parent wait for her child to be killed? Or does the parent take a decision - quite a drastic decision - to take him all the way back to wherever that child is from originally?"

She says she knows families who are waiting for their children to finish primary school so they can leave the UK.

She estimates that out of every five Somalian families, two are taking their children back home.

Dr Fatumo Abdi - a mother of Somali origin - said parents were struggling to know how to react to knife crime.

"This is not something they've encountered before. But we know living here in Britain, the context is Britain. This is a British problem and it's a problem that we've fallen into.

"It's not the answer but these are desperate parents."

She believes poverty, inequality and exposure to violence are big factors as to why young people fall into criminality.

"Our communities are living in very poor disadvantaged areas with poor educational attainment. All these things affect how our children move through the world."

'Better person'
Rhoda Ibrahim, who runs the Somali Advice and Forum of Information, which supports Somali mothers, says that as many of them have poor English, they are forced to take jobs such as cleaning, which lead them to being away from their families for long periods of time.

"When you get sent back to your country by your parents, it's the worst feeling," says Mohamed, who lived in Kenya for six and then nine months.

He was sent there after being excluded and sent to a pupil referral unit when no other school in his area would accept him.

"It feels like you're going to prison, and your mum's the judge. You can't come back until the judge has let you free

"You have to show that you're good, you've changed."

But he feels like it has made him a "better person".

"I could have been out on the streets right now selling drugs, but... the kids in Kenya put school first."

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Knife crime, in London?

I thought they were illegal. Oh, and it's part and parcel of living in a large city.

 

[maalikthefakemuzzie]

I think this is the perfect opportunity to say that 1.) There should always be a right to carry weapons for self-defence and that 2.) saudi arabia has the lowest total crimes per capita so that always is an option.

 

[RetardedCat]

For a second I thought it was the white teens that were going to East Africa. Forgot London isn't white.

 

[Slowboat to China]

Knife crime in London may be a problem, but I'm skeptical that it's the only reason. Sounds like a great excuse to ship your Westernized kids back home for marriage.

 

[Captain Ahab]

They are the ones causing it.

 

[EasyPeasy]

Basically African Muslim youth are fleeing home to escape rising London knife crime that they caused.

If its safer in Somalia than here in the UK, why aren't these fake asylum seekers and their families all being deported back?

 

[Bad Times]

Banning automatic assault knifes will not change anything because of how important knifes are to the cultural of the britbongs. They will just go underground, trading porn for knives, knives for porn.

Thank god London has an online safety police team.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

So when one African teenager does the stabbing, rather than deport him you deport the ones who weren't attacking anybody. Good job, London.

 

[MediocreMilt]

Oi! You got a loicence to keep yer kids aloive???

 

[EasyPeasy]

Knife crime, in London?

I thought they were illegal. Oh, and it's part and parcel of living in a large city.

You can legally have a folding knife with a blade up to 3 inches. I always carry a knife with me.

 

[CheezzyMach]

...How much of a shithole has London become that people are fleeing to Africa of all places for protection?

 

[Wraith]

So when one African teenager does the stabbing, rather than deport him you deport the ones who weren't attacking anybody. Good job, London.

"We care more about the people to attack you than the ones being attacked."
And people say there isn't a real satan guiding some people in the world.

 

[maalikthefakemuzzie]

Basically African Muslim youth are fleeing home to escape rising London knife crime that they caused.

If its safer in Somalia than here in the UK, why aren't these fake asylum seekers and their families all being deported back?

The cause of high knife crime is due to the UK having it be illegal to practically defend one self. And in actual fact it is has always been high since like 2002. Saying it is caused by muslims is misleading because countries with sharia law tend to have the world’s lowest total crimes per capita.