Brianna Wu / John Flynt - Original Thread

[MayMay]

Sorry John Flynt you don't get to transplain Caitlin Jenner when she is drop dead gorgeous, and you look like you fell out of an ugly tree hit every branch on your way down then was run over by a ugly steamroller

I'd say it's the "ugly tree" counterpart to Vincent Ludwig's death in the Naked Gun.

 

[GREEDY FIREMAN]

Has John admitted to being trans yet, or is he going to passive aggressively whine on Twitter about Caitlyn stealing the spotlight?

"I Helped cultivate the First Generation of Trans People!"

 

[Zvantastika]

This book does it's very best to explain everything in the game except the characters themselves. This could be poor design, or just bad writing, but I personally feel it's because Wu doesn't understand humans or emotions or why she should care about others. She's much more interested in motorcycles and sexy checkerboard dresses.

You reminded me of a interview she has, where she said "The game is about the story, it's all about the story, the game mechanics doesn't matter" and some minutes later "You don't understand the story because you're not supposed to understand the story, that's the point" so yeah, it's not only bad writing, it's purposely bad writing... let me check if I can find the interview and highlight the parts I'm talking about but yeah, Wu, doesn't have the slightest idea of what a game, story or character development means.

 

[Furina]

Bruce Jenner still looks like a man. I'm sorry and I know I'm being a bitch about this but I'm just so annoyed this is news at all. Also, he was given the bravery award instead of a guy who lost an arm and a leg in Iraq and now runs marathons and triathlons.

He won because he made a big deal out of being Trans when Trans is the big thing. If he'd come out as gay in the 90s this would have been news. And he won because his ex-dick was close to a Kardashian at one point. This isn't a giant leap forward, its a big nothing.

Not let the disagreements pour in. I know I probably deserve them.

 

[CWCissey]

Bruce Jenner still looks like a man. I'm sorry and I know I'm being a bitch about this but I'm just so annoyed this is news at all. Also, he was given the bravery award instead of a guy who lost an arm and a leg in Iraq and now runs marathons and triathlons.

He won because he made a big deal out of being Trans when Trans is the big thing. If he'd come out as gay in the 90s this would have been news. And he won because his ex-dick was close to a Kardashian at one point. This isn't a giant leap forward, its a big nothing.

Not let the disagreements pour in. I know I probably deserve them.

No I agree, so what if an ex-Olympic Pole Vaulter turned in his pole for the second time? The fucker is rich and his stupid family have their own reality show off the back of him and I don't see why him becoming a woman is such a big deal. He's not helping other trans people, he's not doing this out of the goodness of his heart, he is exploiting the goodwill and tolerance of humanity to make a quick buck. The guy is scum of the highest order.

Kinda like the subject of this thread really.

 

[Rogowski]

https://archive.is/RGlaP

 

[Goddessoftheshire]

Bruce Jenner still looks like a man. I'm sorry and I know I'm being a bitch about this but I'm just so annoyed this is news at all. Also, he was given the bravery award instead of a guy who lost an arm and a leg in Iraq and now runs marathons and triathlons.

He won because he made a big deal out of being Trans when Trans is the big thing. If he'd come out as gay in the 90s this would have been news. And he won because his ex-dick was close to a Kardashian at one point. This isn't a giant leap forward, its a big nothing.

Not let the disagreements pour in. I know I probably deserve them.

I agree I wish the news would cover real stories not tabloid fodder, but John really has no right complaining about Jenner's privilege when John is just as wealthy and privileged. At least Caitlyn has put the effort into becoming a women where as John has done a little as possible to present himself as a women than claims to speak for all women when he was a rich white gay man most of his life before chopping his dick off. I honestly think if there should be outrage over anything Caitlyn has done it should be over the women he killed in that car accident because of the coming out publicity has drowned out the news of the accident and must be a slap to women's loved ones face.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Yes, your husband has four Hugos. That law also doesn't apply in Massachusetts, Brianna. So you are essentially dickriding your husband's success. How feminist.

What success? His awards are for fan art, from a group of awards that has had its reputation blown straight to hell.

Edit: just saw Ruin's post. I agree. What the Fucking Hell happened to her eye?! Does she have TJ Church-tier genetics or did whatever downrent hormones she found fuck with her bones?

 

[Furina]

What success? His awards are for fan art, from a group of awards that has had its reputation blown straight to hell.

So really, Frank is about as successful as Brianna is in his respective field. They deserve each other.

Actually, I take that back. Even Frank deserves a little better.

 

[Pikimon]

Brianna unironically likes The Third Birthday. That alone disqualifies her from ever complaining about sexism in gamers ever.

That game literally turned a strong female character into a stuttering child.

 

[DykesDykesChina]

3. LOL
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Nobody. Should. Wear. Leggings. Ever.

 

[AnOminous]

No I agree, so what if an ex-Olympic Pole Vaulter turned in his pole for the second time? The fucker is rich and his stupid family have their own reality show off the back of him and I don't see why him becoming a woman is such a big deal. He's not helping other trans people, he's not doing this out of the goodness of his heart, he is exploiting the goodwill and tolerance of humanity to make a quick buck. The guy is scum of the highest order.

Have to agree. Also, Jenner fucking killed an old lady who nobody cares about because muh celebrity and associated with the Kardashians, the biggest most disgusting degenerates in America, symbolic of the country's decline into mediocrity.

But hey, compared to Wu, Jenner is a goddamn hero.

 

[Jaimas]

Has John admitted to being trans yet, or is he going to passive aggressively whine on Twitter about Caitlyn stealing the spotlight?

Actually, I can cover this. Brianna Wu has not admitted to her trans status, and, barring apocalyptic circumstances, never will. I covered this in-detail earlier in the thread, but the short form is that as a Third-Wave Feminist, Wu has to deny reality itself in regards to her womanhood. If she admits to being trans, her own allies in the movement will tear her apart for originally being a filthy male who must forevermore be shunned. Eager to maintain her position and relevance, Wu will do anything to keep in her current slot, including deny all evidence of her being transgendered, even though there's a fucking mountain of evidence.

 

[AnOminous]

Actually, I can cover this. Brianna Wu has not admitted to her trans status, and, barring apocalyptic circumstances, never will. I covered this in-detail earlier in the thread, but the short form is that as a Third-Wave Feminist, Wu has to deny reality itself in regards to her womanhood. If she admits to being trans, her own allies in the movement will tear her apart for originally being a filthy male who must forevermore be shunned. Eager to maintain her position and relevance, Wu will do anything to keep in her current slot, including deny all evidence of her being transgendered, even though there's a fucking mountain of evidence.

Who the fuck doesn't know Wu is a botched tranny?

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Who the fuck doesn't know Wu is a botched tranny?

The people so bound up in the social justice cult that they won't call a duck a duck even when it swims, quacks, and makes for delicious French dinner?

 

[Jaimas]

The people so bound up in the social justice cult that they won't call a duck a duck even when it swims, quacks, and makes for delicious French dinner?

"It takes a strong man... To deny what's in front of him..."

 

[Hodor]

For the sake of those reading, a synopsis. @Smutley, confirm/deny any questions I have here, will ya?:

This little codex for Rev60 reads like a propaganda piece. A really, really shitty propaganda piece. It opens up explaining that Fifth Column is bad and has taken over China, whilst dropping ominous hints about what, exactly, they've done that's wrong. In this Kiwi's opine, it reads like the writer of the Codex is pissed that China is less-dependent on foreign imports than ever before and has done away with the welfare state, but I digress. The document explains that the US is helplessly castrated, and that China has been threatening the world with doom lasers from a massive platform called the Death Lotus, and that ONLY CHESSBOARD, AND BY PROXY, YOU, CAN SAVE US ALL.

It is at this point that you recognize that Wu is a fucking terrible person at naming things. "Fifth Column" is a term for state-backed insurgency. "Death Lotus" is the least fucking chinese name they could have named that platform. We'll discuss more of Wu being shit at naming soon, but for now, we discuss the rest of this train-wreck.

The Codex then goes onto explain that you are a member of Chessboard and Chessboard has a team-oriented AI at its helm and this is totes amazing and they have a 98% mission success rate and they are totally badass, you guys. They're also all American which is totally not hypocrisy given Wu's bitching about CoD and the like at all. The Codex explains that you are to obey the orders of Chessboard's higher-ups at all times. Obedience is mandatory, and fuck this organization is as transparently secretly evil as fucking Count Graduon, isn't it?

OK, so after that initial flappery is out of the way, we are introduced to the SUPER IMPORTANT mission commander, Minuette, who is in charge of damage control and is the best commander because she follows the Chessboard AI's orders 96.3% efficiently. She apparently is a socialite senator's daughter and the youngest recruit Chessboard has ever had. She's the best, the codex orders, because she's totes abandoned human things like emotion, and she has extensive cyberwear that makes her as much machine as human, and this girl is totes going to betray us, isn't she?

The fucking Hive from Destiny are less plainly evil than these motherfuckers.

All right, all right, enough bitching, moving on. It then moves on to cover Chessboard Insertion/Exfiltration craft and how the pilots they have are the best due to nanotech enhancements. It introduces us to Valentina, who apprently is a combination pilot/infiltration specialist. It's worth noting that these are probably the most genuinely useful parts of the entire document, giving some information and context to the rest of the cast, but it's 90% fluffery and almost none of it useful in-game. We then learn about Charbonneau, whose identity is an enigma and likely the aptly-named Lady Not-Appearing-in-This-Game. It mentions that Chessboard has a full assassin team, before we meet Chase Wu. This character is a blatant insert for Frank, Wu's husband, and essentially details an incident in which a mission he was on was successful because he has no personality of his own and was completely subservient to Minuette. We then learn about Chessboard's Comms Division and Sarah Patanjali, another enigma with no portrait, who essentially made the Chessboard AI. Finally we meet David Ibsen, and the Chessboard engineering corps, and it's dawned on me (Smutley, plz confirm) that maybe about 5% of this document was in any way relevant to the characters in Revolution 60.

Fucking finally we get out of Human Resources and back into shitty propaganda for about 15 pages as Chessbpoard tells us that ONLY CHESSBOARD ASSETS MATTER DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH OUTSIDE AGENCIES CHESSBOARD IS ALL YOU NEED, before we learn about Chessboard's station, N313, which is openly a Metal Gear Reference, and its creator, Amelia Melpomene, who works for Chessboard without fully knowing it, and who is super ultra-turbo chocolatey-fudge-coated mega smart.

We then learn about Chessboard's combat doctrine, which sems entirely centered on "STAY LINKED TO AI AT ALL TIMES," and which lists off that Crisis Operative will be dispatched if shit goes tits-up. We learn of Alex Grantham, another male character with no actual character model who I'm 94% sure is not involved in the plot in any fashion.

We then learn Chessboard's history, where it's heavily implied that it's essentially god-tier and always makes proper calculations. I'm sure that's totally legit, considering @KidKitty's massively powerful rig which I'm fairly certain is from a fucking ICBM silo can barely run Warframe at max settings.

We then learn about Fifth Column, whose backstory makes no sense whatsoever even with the context of the world. Chessboard said they were vat-grown in the earlier paragraph, but that they started as a splinter group of the PLA in this section. Chessboard labeled them a non-threat, which being Chessboard is apparently god in this document, is hilarious, because that was about as false as Wu's self-flag. The document then says that they built the Death Lotus, which conventional wisdom said was impossible, and again, Chessboard, being deific, should have predicted. They then blew up the governmental center and somehow this resulted in them taking over the PRC as opposed to simply making themselves the enemy of China itself and every other country associated with it. I'm entirely sure Wu knows dick about international politics.

We get a bit of info about the Fifth Column Troops, which essentially details they are disposable, and gives no real information about them as antagonists beyond the fact that they're empty shells. It covers their weapons a bit though, which finally informs us that they're energy weapons but doesn't seem able to tell the difference between lasers and accelerated particle beams.

It also explains that Fifth Column uses Plasma Grenades to kill Chessboard operatives, since the temperature flashpoint and toxic chemicals are sufficient to overload a Chessboard Operative's nanocolony (this is immediately recorded for Deagle Nation military purposes). It explains that they also use deployable cover in the form of laser-walls and impractical energy chainguns before getting into Fifth Column Vehicles, the overpowering majority of which will not be seen in the game and indeed, are not colored or textured. It does go over the Death Lotus and a fighter Holiday fights in-game, however, which I suppose are almost relevant.

Afterwards it has an article on gravitic technology that Wu openly stole from another sci-fi setting, before it gets into Chessboard's equipment for operatives. Holiday's armor is apparently designed for resisting thermal stress from energy weapons (rather than kinetic impacts or blast trauma), which means, in a shocking change from the norm, Holiday's armor has hard science behind it, though that doesn't explain why it's a fucking catsuit. Similarly, her boots have gravity generators for use in low/zero G environments. It briefly goes over Chessboard comms and computer gear before finally discussing Holiday's pistol, which is both described as a charged-particle weapon and using custom solid rounds by means of a holographic technology not yet described. This is followed by Minuette's retarded-looking pistol which does much more damage and has no bayonet. Why it looks like Fallout's Alien Blaster or similar 1950s kitsch future weapons is not explained.

I will take this time to note that we are now halfway through this train-wreck. I'll get the rest a bit later, but for no, Kiwis, courage.

This is some of the most fucking inept world building I've ever heard. Nearly everything is lifted from other sources- which is fine, since that's what everyone does (it's just the nature of creativity). But at least try and be competent about it- steal from many sources and try to mask it.

This honestly reads like a fourteen year old's first go at setting design. This would get laughed out of most freeform RPG sites for Christ's sake. It's just... bad.

 

[vertexwindi]

He won because he made a big deal out of being Trans when Trans is the big thing. If he'd come out as gay in the 90s this would have been news.

Makes you wonder what the next big thing will be. Coming out as a paedophile, perhaps? Maybe even a zoophile?

I'm not joking, by the way. There are acceptance movements for those.

 

[SeattleFaerie]

Makes you wonder what the next big thing will be. Coming out as a paedophile, perhaps? Maybe even a zoophile?

I'm not joking, by the way. There are acceptance movements for those.

It's kinda true. People are trying to claim that paedophiles are similar to LGBT+ people because they were all once called deviants and suffering a mental illness, and since it's been agreed that paedophilia is a mental illness, then it must be the logical conclusion that paedophilia should be accepted and part of the LGBT+ community even! It's fucking offensive really.

 

[Optimus Prime]

This little codex for Rev60 reads like a propaganda piece. A really, really shitty propaganda piece. It opens up explaining that Fifth Column is bad and has taken over China, whilst dropping ominous hints about what, exactly, they've done that's wrong.

So basically China is just the USSR if Stalin somehow gained immortality while in office?

The document explains that the US is helplessly castrated, and that China has been threatening the world with doom lasers from a massive platform called the Death Lotus, and that ONLY CHESSBOARD, AND BY PROXY, YOU, CAN SAVE US ALL.

Isn't that basically Goldeneye except instead of a disguised EMP laser, it's that big-ass mirror half the size of the moon from Die Again Tomorrow?

It is at this point that you recognize that Wu is a fucking terrible person at naming things. "Fifth Column" is a term for state-backed insurgency. "Death Lotus" is the least fucking chinese name they could have named that platform. We'll discuss more of Wu being shit at naming soon, but for now, we discuss the rest of this train-wreck.

She stole that, too!

The Codex then goes onto explain that you are a member of Chessboard and Chessboard has a team-oriented AI at its helm and this is totes amazing and they have a 98% mission success rate

In a sea of mistakes, even mentioning that 98% automatically proves Chessboard being in total command is the most illogical choice ever.

Nevermind the fact its blatantly just leaves the door open for the obvious "shit is going to fail" plot direction, a 2% failure rate for some bastards who supposedly are the last line of defense against the world getting fucked over means two missions out of every one hundred are failures. That's one out of fifty. And with every indication that nobody learned a single fucking thing about why even just one mission went south.

The Codex explains that you are to obey the orders of Chessboard's higher-ups at all times. Obedience is mandatory, and fuck this organization is as transparently secretly evil as fucking Count Graduon, isn't it?

I'd say the SJW heirarchy as a whole, really - the figureheads only have any power if idiots who don't think for themselves mindlessly obey bullshit fed to them without question. Having just sat through an HR policy slideshow during my first week at my current internship, one of the key things they emphasize is if you think shit is whack you damn well better question your superiors and if need be, go over their heads.

Or, y'know, the plot of Crackdown.

OK, so after that initial flappery is out of the way, we are introduced to the SUPER IMPORTANT mission commander, Minuette, who is in charge of damage control and is the best commander because she follows the Chessboard AI's orders 96.3% efficiently.

So anything not efficent 100% totally by maybe 3.7% or more means they're going to be classed as total fucking evil except not really - since going off of Soc.Unconc. plastering Minnie as a "bond villain" and Wu's own answers to prefered R60 endings all discriminate against Minnie.

I get the impression Minnie is a representation of something Wu just absofuckinglutely hates, maybe going along with how Chessboard should be followed like the voice of God against all standard workplace regulations, Minnie thinking for herself for any brief moments of time is unacceptable bullshit to Wu.

She apparently is a socialite senator's daughter and the youngest recruit Chessboard has ever had. She's the best, the codex orders, because she's totes abandoned human things like emotion, and she has extensive cyberwear that makes her as much machine as human, and this girl is totes going to betray us, isn't she?

The fucking Hive from Destiny are less plainly evil than these motherfuckers.

Ironically, this implies she's a creature of pure logic now - I.E. Shockwave from G1 Transformers in the comics - and so is possibly the lesser evil only in so far as what she does may entirely be just driven by logic, which by nature is neutral (though in R60 being neutral also nets the hilariously worst ending for no fucking reason). But then again, she doesn't obey the fucking computer (which is flawed) 100% of the time, so even if she is right she is inherently a baddie for not listening like an unquestioning fucktard.

All right, all right, enough bitching, moving on. It then moves on to cover Chessboard Insertion/Exfiltration craft and how the pilots they have are the best due to nanotech enhancements. It introduces us to Valentina, who apprently is a combination pilot/infiltration specialist. It's worth noting that these are probably the most genuinely useful parts of the entire document, giving some information and context to the rest of the cast, but it's 90% fluffery and almost none of it useful in-game.

Seriously, who the fuck is Valentina? I don't recall anybody who sodomized themselves by playing this bullshit ever mention that name before.

We then learn about Charbonneau, whose identity is an enigma and likely the aptly-named Lady Not-Appearing-in-This-Game. It mentions that Chessboard has a full assassin team, before we meet Chase Wu. This character is a blatant insert for Frank, Wu's husband, and essentially details an incident in which a mission he was on was successful because he has no personality of his own and was completely subservient to Minuette. We then learn about Chessboard's Comms Division and Sarah Patanjali, another enigma with no portrait, who essentially made the Chessboard AI. Finally we meet David Ibsen, and the Chessboard engineering corps, and it's dawned on me (Smutley, plz confirm) that maybe about 5% of this document was in any way relevant to the characters in Revolution 60.

So "Chase" is ok as a male because he's essentially a robot (Christsakes, get some fucking Rubric Marines if you're going that route, why don't you?), but if David there is associated with the fuckheads who built the robot, gee I wonder why Chessboard isn't actually perfect?

Fucking finally we get out of Human Resources and back into shitty propaganda for about 15 pages as Chessbpoard tells us that ONLY CHESSBOARD ASSETS MATTER DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH OUTSIDE AGENCIES CHESSBOARD IS ALL YOU NEED, before we learn about Chessboard's station, N313, which is openly a Metal Gear Reference, and its creator, Amelia Melpomene, who works for Chessboard without fully knowing it, and who is super ultra-turbo chocolatey-fudge-coated mega smart.

The Fifth are sounding more and more like the good guys compared to the Chessboard SECRET FUCKING GESTAPO.

We then learn about Chessboard's combat doctrine, which sems entirely centered on "STAY LINKED TO AI AT ALL TIMES," and which lists off that Crisis Operative will be dispatched if shit goes tits-up. We learn of Alex Grantham, another male character with no actual character model who I'm 94% sure is not involved in the plot in any fashion.

The hell does "STAY LINKED TO AI AT ALL TIMES" even mean? Granted, I don't know if you mean the AI named Chessboard or the organization. Shit's confusing, yo.

We then learn Chessboard's history, where it's heavily implied that it's essentially god-tier and always makes proper calculations. I'm sure that's totally legit, considering @KidKitty's massively powerful rig which I'm fairly certain is from a fucking ICBM silo can barely run Warframe at max settings.

Now I'm curious as to who the hell actually more or less ceded control of the human race to an unproven super calculator. Even 9 at least kept the computer's domain (initially) limited to not-Austria before it turns on humanity.

We then learn about Fifth Column, whose backstory makes no sense whatsoever even with the context of the world. Chessboard said they were vat-grown in the earlier paragraph, but that they started as a splinter group of the PLA in this section. Chessboard labeled them a non-threat, which being Chessboard is apparently god in this document, is hilarious, because that was about as false as Wu's self-flag.

New theory:

Chessboard actually becomes AM at some point.

The document then says that they built the Death Lotus, which conventional wisdom said was impossible, and again, Chessboard, being deific, should have predicted.

Seriously, how the fuck do you build shit in space like a shitty death star ripoff without anybody noticing, unless you build it on another planet?

They then blew up the governmental center and somehow this resulted in them taking over the PRC as opposed to simply making themselves the enemy of China itself and every other country associated with it. I'm entirely sure Wu knows dick about international politics.

I don't even think Wu knows where the center of Chinese government is.

We get a bit of info about the Fifth Column Troops, which essentially details they are disposable, and gives no real information about them as antagonists beyond the fact that they're empty shells. It covers their weapons a bit though, which finally informs us that they're energy weapons but doesn't seem able to tell the difference between lasers and accelerated particle beams.

God, Star Wars Stormtroopers look like fucking Space Marine Death Korpsmen compared to these shitheads.

It also explains that Fifth Column uses Plasma Grenades to kill Chessboard operatives, since the temperature flashpoint and toxic chemicals are sufficient to overload a Chessboard Operative's nanocolony (this is immediately recorded for Deagle Nation military purposes).

The fuck's a nanocolony?

It explains that they also use deployable cover in the form of laser-walls and impractical energy chainguns before getting into Fifth Column Vehicles, the overpowering majority of which will not be seen in the game and indeed, are not colored or textured. It does go over the Death Lotus and a fighter Holiday fights in-game, however, which I suppose are almost relevant.

- chainguns require solid belt-fed ammo don't they? You can't have energy shots AND call it a chaingun!

-the fact you skip over the main plot driving element PoS space laser really tells how much thought went into describing it in that book.

Holiday's armor is apparently designed for resisting thermal stress from energy weapons (rather than kinetic impacts or blast trauma), which means, in a shocking change from the norm, Holiday's armor has hard science behind it, though that doesn't explain why it's a fucking catsuit.

Simple - catsuits don't require anything more than creating a skin for a basic human figure. Armor requires actually modeling pieces of that shit.

Similarly, her boots have gravity generators for use in low/zero G environments.

That doesn't make any sense - those boots can't possibly have enough rotational shit going on inside to provide localized gravity that defies the laws of physics, which dictates gravity is just how hard one object of mass pulls on another.

It briefly goes over Chessboard comms and computer gear before finally discussing Holiday's pistol, which is both described as a charged-particle weapon and using custom solid rounds by means of a holographic technology not yet described.[/quote]

>solid rounds
>because holographic tech

aren't those by definition impossible by the whole fact holographs aren't solid objects to begin with?

This is followed by Minuette's retarded-looking pistol which does much more damage and has no bayonet. Why it looks like Fallout's Alien Blaster or similar 1950s kitsch future weapons is not explained.

Probably the same reason she's also inexplicably some shitty bug alien thing.

I will take this time to note that we are now halfway through this train-wreck. I'll get the rest a bit later, but for no, Kiwis, courage.

You do Godbear's work.