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What are you opinions on GamerGate and Brianna Wu / John Flynt?

  • I am of no opinion towards either.

    Votes: 104 8.6%

  • I am neutral on GamerGate, but think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votes: 631 52.1%

  • I am neutral on GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votes: 9 0.7%

  • I am ANTI-GamerGate, but still think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votes: 112 9.2%

  • I am ANTI-GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votes: 37 3.1%

  • I am PRO-GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votes: 309 25.5%

  • I am PRO-GamerGate, but still think that and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votes: 9 0.7%
  • Total voters
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_blank_ said:
And of course, it's a pink girl-robot complete with robo-tits. Of course it is. Personally I would've thought a character like this would be exactly what feminists would say was a demeaning depiction of femininity, but what do I know.
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"Genderless" characters are only a good thing when they're all clearly supposed to be women.
Stephen Universe "Genderless" Women = Good
Transformers "Genderless" Men = Bad
 
Fun fact: the studio that made Transformers: Devastation is none other than PlatinumGames, the same studio that made every Internet feminist's favorite triggering character, Bayonetta. Brianna is sperging to people who could not care less about how much it upsets her that there are no girl robots for her to pretend to be.
 
Francis York Morgan said:
Fun fact: the studio that made Transformers: Devastation is none other than PlatinumGames, the same studio that made every Internet feminist's favorite triggering character, Bayonetta. Brianna is sperging to people who could not care less about how much it upsets her that there are no girl robots for her to pretend to be.
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You can only loose with "humanoid robots that have character" either you make them male (in other words: 'without tits') and SJW will sperg why there are no girl-bots.... or you slap tits on them, make them look female and people will sperg why robots need boobs and/or why robots have genders in the first place.

You can make them as 'gender neutral' as possible, but in this case people might have trouble identify with them and probably slap a gender on them anyway, even if you give them the most androgynous voices you can find.
 
_blank_ said:
And of course, it's a pink girl-robot complete with robo-tits. Of course it is. Personally I would've thought a character like this would be exactly what feminists would say was a demeaning depiction of femininity, but what do I know.
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Funny thing about Arcee. This is her origin in the comics:
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Arcee_(G1)
Arcee was constructed by the Autobots in an alternate future 1995 as a good-will attempt to placate angry feminists who thought that they were "sexist" for having no women in their group. After trying multiple times to explain that Autobots, being robots, had no gender, Optimus Prime surrendered and ordered the creation of a new Autobot who would meet the humans' demands for sexual equality. However, when Arcee was unveiled at a public ceremony, her pink, skinny and curvaceous form enraged the very audience Prime intended to placate. Shockwave, Horri-Bull, Fangry and Squeezeplay immediately attacked, looking to crush the "secret weapon" that was promised. Prime warned Arcee to stay back, lest she get hurt in battle, but the female Autobot, rightfully annoyed at the Autobots' lack of faith in her equal ability, singlehandedly forced the Decepticons into a retreat. Hot Rod thought that was pretty hot. The feminists were enraged beyond words.
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Can't make this shit up.
 
Francis York Morgan said:
Fun fact: the studio that made Transformers: Devastation is none other than PlatinumGames, the same studio that made every Internet feminist's favorite triggering character, Bayonetta. Brianna is sperging to people who could not care less about how much it upsets her that there are no girl robots for her to pretend to be.
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Actually, what I find hilarious about this is that Wu is yelling at the people who have routinely accomplished everything that she falsely claims to have done with her game. Namely including strong, sex-positive female characters.

Platinum has demonstrated that they understand what people want as opposed to what they're "supposed" to want. Giving your audience solid, relatable characters will endear people to them regardless of race, gender, or even species. Wu's narcissism makes it impossible for her to relate to anyone unless they're exactly like her, which just goes to show that she has no concept of empathy.
 
IJustWantToSeeAttachments said:
Actually, what I find hilarious about this is that Wu is yelling at the people who have routinely accomplished everything that she falsely claims to have done with her game. Namely including strong, sex-positive female characters.

Platinum has demonstrated that they understand what people want as opposed to what they're "supposed" to want. Giving your audience solid, relatable characters will endear people to them regardless of race, gender, or even species. Wu's narcissism makes it impossible for her to relate to anyone unless they're exactly like her, which just goes to show that she has no concept of empathy.
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The thing about Bayonetta is that its appeal is pretty fucking niche. The whole idea of it is that it knows its audience and appeals to it rather than trying to be inclusive to all people. Platinum doesn't really care about what the "feminists" or the "SJWs" feel about Bayonetta because they aren't marketing to them in the first place, and whether or not they condemn the game probably won't affect the sales to people who would buy Bayonetta. It's the same reason why Dark Souls and Bloodborne were so successful as well; they know their target demographic and aim for appealing to them, without trying to simplify their game to appeal to the general game market.

The ironic thing is that Wu and her ilk want to see more "diversity" in games, but the examples they try to use are so horribly shoehorned in that they just stick out like an obvious attempt at pandering to an audience that normally wouldn't care about the product, and thus it doesn't attract the latter and the people you were actually trying to sell the game to just feel like this is some weird add-on that detracts from their experience. Trying to appeal to everyone at once makes you appeal to no one at all, and trying to tap into an audience that you don't know anything about is just a good way to create something that's cringeworthy at best and horribly offensive at worst (see: Gen Zed). Wu trying to press all of these values onto people that aren't trying to cater to the people who care about them is basically marketing poison, and just shows that Wu is hilariously out of touch with the "industry" that she claims to represent.

Basically, if you want to fight for trans rights, sperging about a video game is an incredibly ineffective platform. (So it arguing on Twitter, but I'm sure Wu will figure that out around the time apes have reclaimed the Earth.)
 
Sanae Kochiya said:
The thing about Bayonetta is that its appeal is pretty fucking niche. The whole idea of it is that it knows its audience and appeals to it rather than trying to be inclusive to all people. Platinum doesn't really care about what the "feminists" or the "SJWs" feel about Bayonetta because they aren't marketing to them in the first place, and whether or not they condemn the game probably won't affect the sales to people who would buy Bayonetta. It's the same reason why Dark Souls and Bloodborne were so successful as well; they know their target demographic and aim for appealing to them, without trying to simplify their game to appeal to the general game market.

The ironic thing is that Wu and her ilk want to see more "diversity" in games, but the examples they try to use are so horribly shoehorned in that they just stick out like an obvious attempt at pandering to an audience that normally wouldn't care about the product, and thus it doesn't attract the latter and the people you were actually trying to sell the game to just feel like this is some weird add-on that detracts from their experience. Trying to appeal to everyone at once makes you appeal to no one at all, and trying to tap into an audience that you don't know anything about is just a good way to create something that's cringeworthy at best and horribly offensive at worst (see: Gen Zed). Wu trying to press all of these values onto people that aren't trying to cater to the people who care about them is basically marketing poison, and just shows that Wu is hilariously out of touch with the "industry" that she claims to represent.

Basically, if you want to fight for trans rights, sperging about a video game is an incredibly ineffective platform. (So it arguing on Twitter, but I'm sure Wu will figure that out around the time apes have reclaimed the Earth.)
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The fact that Wu believes every piece of media needs to include equal diversity across the board really shows how ignorant she is to the reason why demographics even exist in the first place. As you said, you can't make something that appeals to everyone without alienating your whole audience. The demographics that get routinely ignored are crying out for something that caters to them, not something that wasn't built with them in mind and slapped with a shallow "representative" as a peace offering.

Transformers fans seem to care more about the fact that there are giant robots rather than the superficial gender of said giant robots. So why slap a female label on a creature that doesn't reproduce sexually? It just seems like any concept of gender in regards to a transformer is ultimately a moot point.
 
Angry said:
Funny thing about Arcee. This is her origin in the comics:
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Arcee_(G1)


Can't make this shit up.
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That's only the UK comics, though, which despite being routinely high quality stories (looking into your cited info, that entire issue scarily seems to predict the current bullshit of extreme feminism today by making fun of feminists demanding gender equality) wasn't actually where Arcee came from as she had existed for three years by the time the comic was made.

No, her entire existence is even more idiotic than that, and the dead giveaway is the hair - she's a rip off of Princess Leia from Star Wars Ep. IV, because the entire 1986 Transformers movie is ripping off Star Wars Ep. IV. The franchise has had to clumsily juggle around her existence for three decades ever since, with the added bonus of the first time her 1986 design actually got a toy...was last year.

Except it's also based on IDW G1 Arcee, which despite the best intentions behind changing the origin of the character managed to be even more of a politically correct headache because at the time they put her in, IDW was running with the idea Cybertron was actually populated by 100% dudes. Deciding to try and force Cybertronian evolution, some mad scientist asshat thought the best way to do that was to shoehorn in the trait of gender difference and so long story short: IDW Arcee has the distinction of being the only transgender robot in the franchise's history, purely to justify having a female character. It's something IDW really goes all out to avoid mentioning these days since more recently actual female transformers from another planet have popped up and so it's extremely awkward to recognize what they did to Arcee as these same comics are the ones being put into the toy packages being sold to kids.

IJustWantToSeeAttachments said:
Transformers fans seem to care more about the fact that there are giant robots rather than the superficial gender of said giant robots. So why slap a female label on a creature that doesn't reproduce sexually? It just seems like any concept of gender in regards to a transformer is ultimately a moot point.
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Litterally nobody on the main Transformer forums that I know of is complaining about the lack of female characters, since there's a grand total of at most three that could even plausibly fit into a game based on the original G1 style (officially, the game is based not on G1 entirely but the current "Combiner Wars" offshoot, which basically amounts to no difference at all other than Megatron turns into a tank like his current Leader toy).

No, what the two whine camps over Devestation are split on is that the game only features five characters who are all Autobots (the only way to play a Decepticon is if you got a pre-order skins pack that has the Nemesis Prime option for Optimus, but it's only a visual change)...or the younger crowd of idiots who want nothing but essentially a Transformers themed Call of Duty. But nobody's giving a shit over Arcee, Chromia, or Elita-1 - the only G1 female transformers - not being in the game, and if given the choice none of them would not be in the first twenty picks for future characters either.
 
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The Colonel said:
That's why she likes it cause CONSERVATIVES ARE DA EBILS!!!!
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I'm pretty sure the mega-wealthy corporations Wu supports, like Electronic Arts, are pretty much conservative and anti-labor.

The only human rights Wu cares for is for wealthy white trannies. Everyone else can pretty much go fuck themselves.
 
IJustWantToSeeAttachments said:
The fact that Wu believes every piece of media needs to include equal diversity across the board really shows how ignorant she is to the reason why demographics even exist in the first place. As you said, you can't make something that appeals to everyone without alienating your whole audience. The demographics that get routinely ignored are crying out for something that caters to them, not something that wasn't built with them in mind and slapped with a shallow "representative" as a peace offering.
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You're looking at this all wrong. Bri-Bri and her cronies are well aware that a game won't sell just because a prominent character is a Nigger of Color tranny marxist cunt. That's why they are trying to push for everything to include a rainbow of tumlrisms. That way you can't play a game without being exposed to their bullshit. Anything that doesn't is racist/sexist/transphobic/whatever and should be banned, literally.

It has never been about adding diversity to gaming, you can make a game filled to the brim with diversity, thus adding diversity and nobody can stop you. Nobody is stopping Rev 60 or Depression Quest. It has always been about forcing their opinions to become industry standard because they can't force you to buy their bullshit otherwise.
 
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