Brianna Wu / John Flynt - DEAGLE NATION STILL LIVES

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Francis York Morgan said:
I know I've harped on Wu's lack of fashion sense a few times already but, seriously, brown boots with a black miniskirt? Goddamn.
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Pity she doesn't still dress like a man, or she'd know that brown shoes and a black suit is how you tell everyone in the room you don't belong there.
Henry Bemis said:
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"Huge potential for empathy?"

No, no potential for empathy.

No potential for anything, really.
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Wu is such a blind futurist. She's desperate for everything to turn into Star Trek.
But let's examine this bright new future VR is gonna bring us:
VR is not the new magical tech of the future. It's the new touchpad. It's going to find solid appeal in video games, media, and maybe a few niche applications, but will primarily be more of the same shit we've always had. It is not going to train people to think differently. It's not going to change the world. It's an expensive and impractical (if clever) gimmick for tech geeks to wank over.
 
Weird he has not joined his fellow shriekers in the Legend of Zelda W̶i̶l̶d̶ ̶H̶u̶n̶t̶ Breath of the wild thing
 
Maria Mint said:
All of this hand-wringing about VR and how to make it a safe space is just social justice nutjobs and ideological opportunists jumping ship from traditional gaming platforms before they get a swift kick in the ass. At the risk of exposing my power level, I own both a Rift and Vive and develop for them. I still get motion sickness if things aren't calibrated perfectly. We're a ways off from VR being as common as an SNES, and anybody who's already proclaiming the dangers of VR has never worn the damn headsets for more than five minutes.
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But does it give you empathy? This is very important.
 
ASU said:
I wasn't saying VR is dangerous.

I'm saying I don't want people like Wu trying to "fix my unconscious biases" via technology.
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I wish to Godjesus Bearchrist that someone would fix my unconscious bias that tells me Brianna Wu is in some way female. :(


Dr. Boe Jangles Esq. said:
Pity she doesn't still dress like a man, or she'd know that brown shoes and a black suit is how you tell everyone in the room you don't belong there.

Wu is such a blind futurist. She's desperate for everything to turn into Star Trek.
But let's examine this bright new future VR is gonna bring us:
VR is not the new magical tech of the future. It's the new touchpad. It's going to find solid appeal in video games, media, and maybe a few niche applications, but will primarily be more of the same shit we've always had. It is not going to train people to think differently. It's not going to change the world. It's an expensive and impractical (if clever) gimmick for tech geeks to wank over.
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It's important to realize that Wu has always been an absolute whore for flash-in-the-pan technology. From when she bitched about the "Mathmatics department" having computers that weren't bleeding-edge, to when she got a Net Yaroze solely so she could use it to lord over those filthy console plebians, to her shameless championing of mobile and declaring that it would kill Nintendo's handheld market for about 10 years now, Wu has absolutely zero shame and is the best example of a "tech hipster" I have ever seen. She's always content to flush money down the drain, not because she wants the world to be Star Trek, but because she wants to claim she is the one who defined your sense of taste.
 
Accel_Rider said:
But does it give you empathy? This is very important.
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Believe it or not, if well done, I believe that VR experiences do have the capacity to provoke very empathic reactions from people. Case in point, the silly little robot dog in Valve's "The Lab" is completely adorable. Every single person who has tried my Vive has had the exact same first reaction... "Awwwww!" Of course, eventually everyone throws a stick off the cliff to make him run after it too.... Personally I like shooting him with the longbow, because he "dies" so cutely.


Of course, all this does is cause a reaction from someone who would normally feel empatly, it will never "give you" empathy. The training of unconscious biases thing is very scary, especially coming from someone like Wu. She appears to see a the potential of a VR headset as a Ludovico Device... Apparently A Clockwork Orange is becoming as much of a training manual as 1984 has for these idiots...
 
Quasar said:
Believe it or not, if well done, I believe that VR experiences do have the capacity to provoke very empathic reactions from people. Case in point, the silly little robot dog in Valve's "The Lab" is completely adorable. Every single person who has tried my Vive has had the exact same first reaction... "Awwwww!" Of course, eventually everyone throws a stick off the cliff to make him run after it too.... Personally I like shooting him with the longbow, because he "dies" so cutely.

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Of course, all this does is cause a reaction from someone who would normally feel empatly, it will never "give you" empathy. The training of unconscious biases thing is very scary, especially coming from someone like Wu. She appears to see a the potential of a VR headset as a Ludovico Device... Apparently A Clockwork Orange is becoming as much of a training manual as 1984 has for these idiots...
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Wu should get that dog. It definitely won't die from neglect
 
Quasar said:
Apparently A Clockwork Orange is becoming as much of a training manual as 1984 has for these idiots...
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Not sure about the novelization, but Kubrick's version certainly made the argument that you can't stifle or manipulate expression or human nature through censorship or brainwashing.

Also it has a very artful rape, so I doubt Socjus is very enthused about it.
 
Puppet Pal Clem said:
Not sure about the novelization, but Kubrick's version certainly made the argument that you can't stifle or manipulate expression or human nature through censorship or brainwashing.
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In the novel, the conditioning was purposefully reversed, due to bad publicity from him trying to kill himself. He then went on to be violent for a while longer before "growing out of it".

Apparantly the last chapter where that happened wasn't included in the American release of the novel, which is the one Kubrick adapted for his screenplay.
 
As much as we all love the film, with its high-style visuals and the malefic charisma of Alex, it ultimately presents our narrator as a more one-dimensional figure.

You could argue that the point remains the same: What makes a human being "alive" is free will, and absent such choice to do good or ill a human is an automaton, something with only the appearance of life but the fixed potential of a machine, a natural-looking fruit full of clockwork gears.

The final chapter is foreshadowed more directly in the novel, as the cyclical nature of the "What's it gonna be then, eh?" scene resurfaces in 3 iterations, but even without Alex growing up and deciding to set his life to a more high-minded course, specifically composing music, I think the point was made.

I actually find the truncated narrative of the film more interesting: just the concept that a sadistic rogue can appreciate the "culture" of a medium as universally praised as classical music... and yet get something entirely self-gratifying and predatory from it, missing all the humanity which great works of art are supposed to engender in us... I find this idea to be more original and compelling.

Come to think of it, I suppose aspects of this concept were played with in American Psycho, although I think the goal there was to show the banality of these pop-cultural touchstones, and that a disturbed mind will craft anything into a buttress for its neuroses, rather than the repurposing of "high" art into mental murderous masturbation.

One of the sad realities of our current PC culture is this ends-justify-the-means mentality which would, ultimately, make Wu's cohorts entirely satisfied with "reeducation" to "the right way" of thinking. Burgess and Orwell would be relegated to the trash heap of irrelevant dead white patriarchs.

Sad, innit?
 
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All this talk of VR being used to brainwash and condition people to have the "correct" thoughts is actually pretty terrifying. Even more so when you realise that the people most interested in making it happen are the Brianna Wus of the world. The people who cannot stand that other people think differently and will happily use force to make the rest of the world compliant to their way of thinking.
This is the world that Orwell and Huxley warned us about, but that warning is being ignored because they were white men and thus have no place on a college curriculum if the SocJus fanatics get their way.

GleamingTheQ-Bert said:
As much as we all love the film, with its high-style visuals and the malefic charisma of Alex, it ultimately presents our narrator as a more one-dimensional figure.

You could argue that the point remains the same: What makes a human being "alive" is free will, and absent such choice to do good or ill a human is an automaton, something with only the appearance of life but the fixed potential of a machine, a natural-looking fruit full of clockwork gears.

The final chapter is foreshadowed more directly in the novel, as the cyclical nature of the "What's it gonna be then, eh?" scene resurfaces in 3 iterations, but even without Alex growing up and deciding to set his life to a more high-minded course, specifically composing music, I think the point was made.

I actually find the truncated narrative of the film more interesting: just the concept that a sadistic rogue can appreciate the "culture" of a medium as universally praised as classical music... and yet get something entirely self-gratifying and predatory from it, missing all the humanity which great works of art are supposed to imbue in us... I find this idea to be more original and compelling.

Come to think of it, I suppose aspects of this concept were played with in American Psycho, although I think the goal there was to show the banality of these pop-cultural touchstones, and that a disturbed mind will craft anything into a buttress for its neuroses, rather than the repurposing of "high" art into mental murderous masturbation.

One of the sad realities of our current PC culture is this ends-justify-the-means mentality which would, ultimately, make Wu's cohorts entirely satisfied with "reeducation" to "the right way" of thinking. Burgess and Orwell would be relegated to the trash heap of irrelevant dead white patriarchs.

Sad, innit?
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I say American Psycho was more about how devoid of humanity pop culture is. The MC just consumes it because he thinks he is supposed to. He appreciates nothing because he cannot see or even feel anything to be appreciated. His life is devoid of all meaning and he cannot find any meaning in his world. This is not an exit.
 
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