#Brexit Remainers Chimpout

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Glad the UK gets to join the shit show political freak out the US is in. But at least Americans can still make light of the situation with jokes and memes (even if they're shit). The UK is just plain flipping out as if a meteor is going to strike down tomorrow.
 
So, ironically, because of how this forum as a whole is full of cynicysm, sarcasm, and being critical of everybody else on this site, I'm actually more inclined to believe this is one of the better places I can ask something and get the most unbiased, honest answer to something since nothing hurts more than the truth.

And that said...what the hell was Brexit about in the first place? I've tried figuring out both sides of the argument as well as what the actual problem was to begin with and I'm just lost.
 
Looks like they've finally realized that "people R 2 DUMB 2 Vote" isn't a winning argument, and have tried to make it more palatable with "old people should be ignored since they're going to die soon anyway...."

Either way, the hypocrisy shows through plainly.

The first old person to say "These youngsters shouldn't be given the vote, why should I let them just casually destroy something I spent my whole life building?" would be run off the internet on a metaphorical rail, but turn it around, and it's progressive....

And let this be a lesson to the SJW crowd, when your preferred method of trying to control politics is to knee-jerk label any and all dissent as racism, sexism and mental retardation, don't be surprised if those labels eventually lose their bite and people will vote for whatever they wanted in the first place because they realize they're going to get called names by you no matter what they do.

Pretty much this. The last time the UK voted it was about joining a tarriff and customs union and as it steadily morphed people got more and more pissed off. TBH the youngsters who did not vote Leave and are behaving like this can sod off behaving like this because their side didn't win. If this is how they're going to behave every single election (while pretending to be some form of learned men/women) then I really do hope they become lapsed voters and just stay the hell away from the proles and leave our democracy alone.

Jokes on them, pensioners generally don't even use the Internet and actually vote instead of signing online petitions.

Oh, they use the net alright. They use Facebook instead where the only thing trending was the UKIP/Leave campaign #Bringapen all day. Facebook is actually more influential in the UK for gauging political opinion, when I spotted that I knew Leave was very likely to win.

Interestingly though, #IvotedLeave stormed far far ahead on Twitter with something like 8 times the tweets. As it did slowly get infested by trolls and whiney assholes

So....what did they do to try and persuade us to stay?

Let's see:

WW3 would happen
Genocide
We'd be as isolated as North Korea
Pensions would collapse utterly and completely so all old people would die off.
Foreign footballers wouldn't be able to come. (Considering Leicester's star players are english born and bred we can see how that would pan out...)

The "punishment budget" in which Osborne refused to keep doing what he's been doing (borrowing at a reasonable rate) and instead raise all taxes on everyone and then violate at least five manifesto pledges, namely cut defence, health and education which were protected and get rid of the "Triple lock guarantee" on state pensions (rising by inflation, CPI or 2.5% whichever was highest)

Trump just held a press conference praising the results. That's a pretty damn big hint that it's a very, very bad idea.

Obama also came over and threatened us when he wasn't going to be president when it all becomes relevant.

You seem to hold a lot of stock in anyone not your own kith and kin.


EDIT: There's also a great image floating around that showed the EU commission all being achingly white while we had turned our back on the Commonwealth. (The majority of whom are "PoC countries")

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The UK wants to rengage with the Commonwealth very quickly and is likely to do so even before Article 50 negotiations begin.
 
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What are the long term effects of this? Does the EU have a lot of economic power? I know it lets easy travel between the countries, so the UK might lose out a bit on tourism, but how exactly does this fuck up the UK's economy drastically? I'm not really on either side, just kind of confused...
 
And that said...what the hell was Brexit about in the first place? I've tried figuring out both sides of the argument as well as what the actual problem was to begin with and I'm just lost.

There was no real "problem" per se. The catalyst was that Cameron made a promise during his prime minister campaign in 2013 that he would hold a referendum on this issue, saying that he was confident that the British would vote to remain in the EU. The results have of course proven otherwise so his ass got blasted into the sun, which is why he has vowed to step down.

What are the long term effects of this? Does the EU have a lot of economic power? I know it lets easy travel between the countries, so the UK might lose out a bit on tourism, but how exactly does this fuck up the UK's economy drastically? I'm not really on either side, just kind of confused...

Literally no one has the answer to this, especially not the day after the vote.

Obama also came over and threatened us when he wasn't going to be president when it all becomes relevant.

I really thought that it was very telling irony when Obama decided to weigh in on this issue. The primary motivation for the Leave side was the protection of national sovereignty, and then you have a foreign leader telling the people of another country how to vote. Wow. Big fucking shock that it had the opposite effect.
 
Literally no one has the answer to this, especially not the day after the vote.
I only asked because people are having meltdowns about social media claiming the UK economy was fucked and I was just wondering what lead them to such a conclusion
 
I only asked because people are having meltdowns about social media claiming the UK economy was fucked and I was just wondering what lead them to such a conclusion

Well the pound is down and markets are jittery but that is always the case whenever there is a shake up of any kind. The markets hate change.

Generally speaking, the answer to your question is probably autism.
 
Speaking as an Indian, I just want to say good job to the people who voted leave/remain and did not gloat/whine when they won/lost. You guys have the balls to stand for what you believe is the right thing.

That said, a lot of these losers' whining is annoying. It certainly does not help their cause.
 
Speaking as an Indian, I just want to say good job to the people who voted leave/remain and did not gloat/whine when they won/lost. You guys have the balls to stand for what you believe is the right thing.

That said, a lot of these losers' whining is annoying. It certainly does not help their cause.

The best autism is all these American fuckwits coming out of nowhere and crying racism because Donald Trump approved of the outcome or something.
 
There was no real "problem" per se. The catalyst was that Cameron made a promise during his prime minister campaign in 2013 that he would hold a referendum on this issue, saying that he was confident that the British would vote to remain in the EU. The results have of course proven otherwise so his ass got blasted into the sun, which is why he has vowed to step down.

Ah, thanks for explaining.

The best autism is all these American fuckwits coming out of nowhere and crying racism because Donald Trump approved of the outcome or something.

To be fair, if Trump actually agrees with something, you know it is the wrong move politically. Plus isn't Trump already banned from the UK already?
 
Ah, thanks for explaining.
To be fair, if Trump actually agrees with something, you know it is the wrong move politically. Plus isn't Trump already banned from the UK already?

There are some sides to it. This is what I heard from brits.

The UK big capitalists are better with the EU. They can import cheap labour and trade better.
The smaller national businesses however are suffering, and immigrants are taking away blue collar jobs for very low wages.

This was between the liberal elites and the wealthy upper middle class vs the low and lower middle classes.
 
This was between the liberal elites and the wealthy upper middle class vs the low and lower middle classes.

Yes. Also, between city people and rural people. Natives and immigrants (hence all the 'racism' charges though, like everything human, it's more complicated than that). To some extent between the young and the old, though I think that was grossly exaggerated, as I said earlier. But mostly between those who regard themselves as the elite (many of whom are desperately average intellects) and everyone else.
 
To be fair, if Trump actually agrees with something, you know it is the wrong move politically.
You do realize that Trump won the GOP nomination for president right? That doesn't sound like someone who always makes the wrong political move.
 
Markets have dropped a bit, but at least for us Americans, there's less damage than I expected. S&P500 seems to have stabilized.
 
Ah, thanks for explaining.



To be fair, if Trump actually agrees with something, you know it is the wrong move politically. Plus isn't Trump already banned from the UK already?
There's a bit more than that, the party he's leader of, the Conservative party has been split about the European Union for a long time so he needed to promise a vote on it to keep the eurosceptics in the party happy (UKIP was also growing in influence and played a large part in bringing the referendum to the political foreground) but the thing is he probably didn't think he'd actually have to go through with it because they were in coalition with another party at the time (The Liberal Democrats) who would veto any referendum and the overwhelming opinion was the election after would not give any party a majority government, but it did. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015)

So Cameron was forced to give the referendum and basically rushed one in as soon as possible in fears another migrant crisis would change public opinion.

(It was pretty much the perfect storm, it might not have even happened if the charismatic leader of UKIP Nigel Farage didn't walk away from a plane crash unharmed in 2010)
 
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Reddit.
Twitter.
Gawker.
Tumblr.

Just about no one on these sites know a thing or two about things like politics or how govt's truly work. Reading through this whole thread and the messages coming from these people? I know I'm not wrong about that.
 
There's posts floating around Tumblr explaining the whole thing thus far now.
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