#Brexit Remainers Chimpout

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Adamska said:
It can't because unlike Europe, the US has a history of actual competent, stable, democratic government.
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I remember replying to a guy on FB saying staying would result in schoolchildren being indoctrinated with the saying that "democracy is an archaic institution that allowed unqualified people to meddle in policy and law making."

I had to point out to him that democracy has allowed unqualified people to meddle in policy and lawmaking.
 
Maria Mint said:
Generally speaking, Britain has always seen itself as not-really-European, but they are such an economic powerhouse that they could join the EU and extract concessions from them that lesser states wouldn't have been able to get. It wasn't really a problem for anybody until the 90s, when the EU decided that any country between it and Korea could have membership. What has happened since then is your universal problem of corporate oligarchs profiting off the movement of cheap labor into established markets, soaking the working and middle classes who both pay for and don't see any benefit from the economic policies.

That and Brussels has pretty much gone insane trying to federalize what was always a loose confederation of states without any real mandate to back it up. People dug too greedily and too deep, and they woke the Balrog of nationalism and independence.
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So in other words it sounds like the UK got out when the getting was good and benefited them the most.

I've always said the EU was a mistake from the start at least in how they implemented it. Too many different countries, too many different points of view, too many different economies that are now using the same currency but things cost more in one country than in another... it was just madness and maybe with this referendum they'll have to reconsider how they do business from here on in.

IwegalBadnik said:
I remember replying to a guy on FB saying staying would result in schoolchildren being indoctrinated with the saying that "democracy is an archaic institution that allowed unqualified people to meddle in policy and law making."

I had to point out to him that democracy has allowed unqualified people to meddle in policy and lawmaking.
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No no no, you don't get it. Democracy is only good when it's people like him that are in charge. When it's anybody else that he doesn't agree with, then it's the worst thing ever.

The sad part is, there are actually people that believe in this.
 
CWCissey said:
Other way around. Leavers want controlled immigration
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I meant that there's the perception that the EU has very limited restrictions on immigration (or at least some in the USA perceive it that way), while an independent UK would have more controlled immigration, hence accusations of discrimination from people who perceive it that way.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
I meant that there's the perception that the EU has very limited restrictions on immigration (or at least some in the USA perceive it that way), while an independent UK would have more controlled immigration, hence accusations of discrimination from people who perceive it that way.
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Ahh I get you now, I thought you were implying no maximum.
 
Semper fidelis to all British kiwis who voted leave, the free world thanks you to help damage the undemocratic plutocratic mess that is the European Union.
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Going to leave this quote of man who loves his country and valued British sovereignty;
Never was so much owed by so many to so few
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Phil Ken Sebben said:
No no no, you don't get it. Democracy is only good when it's people like him that are in charge. When it's anybody else that he doesn't agree with, then it's the worst thing ever.

The sad part is, there are actually people that believe in this.
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Actually, I don't think that was his implication based on what he had said--I think he actually believes that democracy has a 0% moron election rate--that every person ever elected to any post was totally qualified.

Which is total bullshit on just about any level...
 
Phil Ken Sebben said:
I've always said the EU was a mistake from the start at least in how they implemented it. Too many different countries, too many different points of view, too many different economies that are now using the same currency but things cost more in one country than in another... it was just madness and maybe with this referendum they'll have to reconsider how they do business from here on in.
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I agree, @Phil Ken Sebben . From an outsider's point of view, the EU looks like a difficult proposition right from the get-go. So many of those countries have been fighting each other for centuries, they have huge differences in culture and language, and their economic disparity is massive. The US works (well, most of the time) because despite the Civil War and the time spent to expand westward and all that, there is a shared culture and identity between all fifty. We've got a language, a currency, a history, and even if California occasionally shits the bed or Texas acts like the drunk uncle you love but don't want to be seen with or Illinois gets dragged around by Chicago holding its collar, we're fundamentally a union.

Europe DOES need some form of unity, but that's best facilitated by something more gentle and open. Let it flow naturally, don't ram it down peoples' throats. There's too much history and too many differences to corral them all into one functioning United States of Europe.

Also, am I reading this right? London is trying to do a separate vote?
 
What was Cameron thinking anyway? I don't really follow European politics
 
melty said:
What was Cameron thinking anyway? I don't really follow European politics
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He was trying to shut up his Eurosceptic backbenchers.

And London is asking if it can tag onto Scotland if it votes for Independence lol
 
Well done, chaps.

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