BreadTube - The Unofficial ContraPoints Dickriders Club and the culture / drama surrounding the community.

[Shaka Brah]

Most LibSocs envision something akin to Huxley's Island where drug abuse is good for you and individual freedom and sexual pleasure coexists with the egalitarian collective cooperative they so claim to desire, except with added automation and Nintendo games as well as somehow keeping all this from being destroyed by outside influence. (Not to mention insisting all of this isn't utopian).

Sadly hedonistic desires become all-consuming to these people and combined with the inevitable rise of a government, something like Brave New World becomes the more likely outcome.

What always fascinated me about those authors, and ones such as Heinlein, is that they were writing at a time when the world still had solid cultural and social norms and speculating about a possible future where those were different.

I don't think it would be possible to convincingly portray sexual libertinism and universal drug use as a utopian ideal today, after decades of societal disintegration have been caused by both trends.

Even most examples of modern novels which somewhat glorify liberal concepts (for example the Expanse series that got made into a TV show) are essentially forced to depict multiculturalism as a mess and humanity under a one-world liberal government as a downtrodden mass of serfs where only the lucky can escape living in pods on warm gruel. There's no way for even sympathetic authors to imagine it differently when looking at today's world.

Coupled with the fact that socialists/libsocs/whatever often cite older utopian media to reinforce their beliefs, it really makes you wonder.

 

[Fetish Roulette]

"It worked in Star Trek" is an unbelievably retarded justification for why your system of governance is best. The whole point of fictional media is that it isn't true. I'm not going to go storm chasing with the aim of ending up in Oz just because just because L. Frank Baum said I could.

 

[hikikomori]

"Look at how angry I drew you! You got so owned!"
"No look I traced you onto a struggling videogame character! YOU, got owned!"
Internet politics

 

[BootlegPopeye]

"It worked in Star Trek" is an unbelievably retarded justification for why your system of governance is best. The whole point of fictional media is that it isn't true. I'm not going to go storm chasing with the aim of ending up in Oz just because just because L. Frank Baum said I could.

I'd love to see this done, a subversion of the entire Star Trek universe, that is, the Federation written as the horrible tyranny it would actually be. Everyone eats whatever junk they want to out of the replicator all day, there is no need for money so most people don't work and instead spend their entire day (entire lives?) fucking super models on the holodeck. Suicides would probably be sky high as men would have no drive. Birth rates would be pathetic.

Since these shows were by and large written by UN-idolizing nerds the idea of one world government post scarcity and being able to do nothing all day sounds like a paradise, but I could never enjoy the series because it was so obvious how completely dysfunctional it would be.

 

[DumbDude42]

I'd love to see this done, a subversion of the entire Star Trek universe, that is, the Federation written as the horrible tyranny it would actually be. Everyone eats whatever junk they want to out of the replicator all day, there is no need for money so most people don't work and instead spend their entire day (entire lives?) fucking super models on the holodeck. Suicides would probably be sky high as men would have no drive. Birth rates would be pathetic.

Since these shows were by and large written by UN-idolizing nerds the idea of one world government post scarcity and being able to do nothing all day sounds like a paradise, but I could never enjoy the series because it was so obvious how completely dysfunctional it would be.

suicides would be low actually i think, because replicator tech means everybody essentially has infinite comforts. that combined with holodecks would be enough for people to cope with meaninglessness indefinitely. birth rates would be near zero though. i'd imagine (human) society would slowly disintegrate as no major organisations (like starfleet) could keep up operations for very long, because the combination of population decline and large numbers of people choosing the holodeck NEET life means that they won't find enough recruits to replenish the ranks, so the organisation would continuously shrink over time.
eventually the borg would come knocking, and since there's not enough power or will left in humanity to mount a defense, that's how mankind would find its end.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

suicides would be low actually i think, because replicator tech means everybody essentially has infinite comforts. that combined with holodecks would be enough for people to cope with meaninglessness indefinitely.

I think the fact that holodeck 'accomplishments' are a poor substitute for actual real life ones would become apparent really quickly, hence my belief that suicides rates would be high. Also from what we know about evolving pornographic tastes, you'd probably see people emulating their worst fantasies of raping and murdering children or worse. I can't imagine the translation of that from holodeck 'reality' to actual reality would be positive.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

Everyone eats whatever junk they want to out of the replicator all day, there is no need for money so most people don't work and instead spend their entire day (entire lives?) fucking super models on the holodeck.

iirc, The Next Generation had holodeck time limits on the ship and I don't think they ever showed them on earth in any significant capacity. I do find it amusing picard's family was able to keep their bougie vineyard on earth in the utopia.

, you'd probably see people emulating their worst fantasies of raping and murdering children or worse.

Don't progressives believe that's a therapeutic outlet?

 

[Effluvial Ooze]

One of the earliest and most irrelevant breadtubers is back apparently and you couldn't pay me to sit through this. Seems to have deleted half of his videos.

 

[Shaka Brah]

suicides would be low actually i think, because replicator tech means everybody essentially has infinite comforts. that combined with holodecks would be enough for people to cope with meaninglessness indefinitely. birth rates would be near zero though. i'd imagine (human) society would slowly disintegrate as no major organisations (like starfleet) could keep up operations for very long, because the combination of population decline and large numbers of people choosing the holodeck NEET life means that they won't find enough recruits to replenish the ranks, so the organisation would continuously shrink over time.
eventually the borg would come knocking, and since there's not enough power or will left in humanity to mount a defense, that's how mankind would find its end.

Unlimited or nearly-unlimited access to comforts causes something called a "behavioral sink," resulting in hedonistic and debauched behavior and eventually mass social implosion. This has been extensively studied in animals and there's no reason to believe that human beings are any different.

 

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I think the fact that holodeck 'accomplishments' are a poor substitute for actual real life ones would become apparent really quickly, hence my belief that suicides rates would be high. Also from what we know about evolving pornographic tastes, you'd probably see people emulating their worst fantasies of raping and murdering children or worse. I can't imagine the translation of that from holodeck 'reality' to actual reality would be positive.

We have Twitch streamers that are celebrities. Holodeck accomplishments would be similar to Twitch streamers and esport celebs.

 

[Jones McCann]

What always fascinated me about those authors, and ones such as Heinlein, is that they were writing at a time when the world still had solid cultural and social norms and speculating about a possible future where those were different.

I don't think it would be possible to convincingly portray sexual libertinism and universal drug use as a utopian ideal today, after decades of societal disintegration have been caused by both trends.

Even back then culture and social norms were being destroyed, especially accelerating after WW2. The disintegration is because of the conditions that technology imposes on man. It caused drug use on a mass scale as escapism (including recreational and prescription drugs like anti-depressents), "sexual liberation" because of the breakdown of traditional moral and family structures. While I agree drug use and "sexual liberation" are obvious symptoms and cause further disintegration, they are just symptoms. In the short term of our lives it seem like things are just beginning to get worse when in reality they have been getting worse for a very long time; we have no frame of reference besides literature which largely view these trends as social liberation. The role of technology becomes obvious in modern times because of the rapid disintegration in which we are experiencing today. In a phrase, the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

 

[SkaTastic]

I'd love to see this done, a subversion of the entire Star Trek universe, that is, the Federation written as the horrible tyranny it would actually be. Everyone eats whatever junk they want to out of the replicator all day, there is no need for money so most people don't work and instead spend their entire day (entire lives?) fucking super models on the holodeck. Suicides would probably be sky high as men would have no drive. Birth rates would be pathetic.

Since these shows were by and large written by UN-idolizing nerds the idea of one world government post scarcity and being able to do nothing all day sounds like a paradise, but I could never enjoy the series because it was so obvious how completely dysfunctional it would be.

"It worked in Star Trek" types would argue that when the post-scarcity "never having to work" society is achieved, people would simply pursue "self-improvement" instead of abusing the new system and allowing themselves to be consumed by pleasure. Meaning they clearly don't understand how people function because "muh human nature isn't real".

 

[Smooth Operator]

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One of the earliest and most irrelevant breadtubers is back apparently and you couldn't pay me to sit through this. Seems to have deleted half of his videos.

Do you recall what prompted him to leave exactly? I vaguely remember him releasing a really whiny video saying that he's done with YouTube because of some dumb Breadtube drama, but that's about it.

 

[Excited Eraser]

Even back then culture and social norms were being destroyed, especially accelerating after WW2. The disintegration is because of the conditions that technology imposes on man. It caused drug use on a mass scale as escapism (including recreational and prescription drugs like anti-depressents), "sexual liberation" because of the breakdown of traditional moral and family structures. While I agree drug use and "sexual liberation" are obvious symptoms and cause further disintegration, they are just symptoms. In the short term of our lives it seem like things are just beginning to get worse when in reality they have been getting worse for a very long time; we have no frame of reference besides literature which largely view these trends as social liberation. The role of technology becomes obvious in modern times because of the rapid disintegration in which we are experiencing today. In a phrase, the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

I didn't know Theodore Kaczynski had an account on the farms

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

big joel deleted his account after tons of people dunked on him for this tweet
https://archive.md/yzC6B

Being terminally online rots your brain to the point where you forget children aren’t meant to be exposed to explicit material

 

[DumbDude42]

Even back then culture and social norms were being destroyed, especially accelerating after WW2. The disintegration is because of the conditions that technology imposes on man. It caused drug use on a mass scale as escapism (including recreational and prescription drugs like anti-depressents), "sexual liberation" because of the breakdown of traditional moral and family structures. While I agree drug use and "sexual liberation" are obvious symptoms and cause further disintegration, they are just symptoms. In the short term of our lives it seem like things are just beginning to get worse when in reality they have been getting worse for a very long time; we have no frame of reference besides literature which largely view these trends as social liberation. The role of technology becomes obvious in modern times because of the rapid disintegration in which we are experiencing today. In a phrase, the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

disagree. technology and industry themselves do not cause this decline, the key factor is how a society allows them to impact the social order.
a bunch of arab countries for example are keeping their traditional social order alive and well despite being highly wealthy and technologically advanced. saudi arabia is the biggest of them, but others do it similarly (UAE for example)

they key difference here seems to be that the force guarding their social framework (islam) is strong and unyielding, which is the polar opposite to the west where christianity has been cucked to death, a process that goes back even further than industrialisation (decline of religious influence in europe can be traced back to the french revolution, or arguably even to the reformation)

 

[>tfw no Asian gf]

Human society has proven itself to be at large incapable of adapting quickly to the advancements of techonology, a good example of this is WW1 where the mentality of gentlemans warfare between civilized nations was completly at odds with the new and cruel reality of trench warfare, when the war started everyone just assumed that it would be just another imperalist war that might last a year or maybe a few months and in the end it became largest war and most brutal war up to that point, with dozens of millions of deaths and the face of Europe and the world would be forever changed.

 

[LizCurly89]

"Look at how angry I drew you! You got so owned!"

Random Observation, but how is "Demon Mama" allowed to represent his skin as so dark in the picture? I understand they're going for a satan-like look for the thumbnail, but from a a community which constantly makes mountains out of molehills, you'd think someone would have called him out for disrespecting minorities or something.

 

[scathefire]

Unlimited or nearly-unlimited access to comforts causes something called a "behavioral sink," resulting in hedonistic and debauched behavior and eventually mass social implosion. This has been extensively studied in animals and there's no reason to believe that human beings are any different.

The solution would be to genetically engineer human nature to be different, which I think in a Star Trek-type utopia would be 100% possible. Combine that with biological immortality and you could theoretically have human existence be a never-ending paradise of bliss. Now, would this have unintended negative consequences (or still cause society to implode)? Obviously, everything does. But that would be one hypothetical solution.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

disagree. technology and industry themselves do not cause this decline, the key factor is how a society allows them to impact the social order.
a bunch of arab countries for example are keeping their traditional social order alive and well despite being highly wealthy and technologically advanced. saudi arabia is the biggest of them, but others do it similarly (UAE for example)

they key difference here seems to be that the force guarding their social framework (islam) is strong and unyielding, which is the polar opposite to the west where christianity has been cucked to death, a process that goes back even further than industrialisation (decline of religious influence in europe can be traced back to the french revolution, or arguably even to the reformation)

This isn't true at all. Both Saudi Arabia and the UAE have seen an unprecedented rise in divorce in the last decade, and a good number of the wealthier men in these countries couldn't care less about sexual propriety. You think Twitter troons are bad? You should read about what rich men in the Emirates pay Instagram models to do.