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Dvsilverwing said:
Oh no... he's retarded 😢
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poor guy never stood a chance. We should put him down to end his misery


EpicGamerMoment said:
I love whatifalthist. This video was great, I always had the impression that the modern social justice movement was just a shitty religion
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They tried to eliminate religion and instead they created an entirely new, and much shittier religion
 
Marxist Freddie deBoer got asked to comment on BreadTube, his review (Hasan, Contrapoints, Vaush, Destiny) was not very enthusiastic:
It’s fair to say that things have changed. Socialist perspectives are legion now. Nobody thinks to come to me to get the socialist perspective anymore, which is just as well, given my cultural distance from your average Wellesley-educated leftist. I still do frequently get queried about a lot of socialist ephemera, though, perhaps out of inertia more than anything else. For example, I often get asked about “Breadtube,” a loose constellation of socialish vloggers and streamers, and about Contrapoints and Hasan Piker in particular. For many, they offer an easy onramp for socialist community. The trouble is that I don’t know what exactly I’m supposed to react to. Breadtube and those in its orbit appear to be entertainers first, and typical of entertainers they’re longer on passion than on coherence. Which would be OK, if such coherence lay in some larger socialist project. The problem is that there is no real socialist movement in 21st-century American politics. All we have are entertainers.
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Which complicates questions about socialist or left entertainers and popularizers - I don’t know how to evaluate those who popularize a movement that does not exist. Popularizing what?

So when people ask me what I think about Hasan Piker, for example, I genuinely don’t know what they’re asking me to react to. How well he plays Mario Kart? I’m not being a dick. I’m saying, simply, that I don’t know how to address the politics of people who define themselves as political figures but who have no particularly lucid political identity and who aren’t connected to a coherent political project. It’s made worse by the fact that, in my experience, Piker specifically and “Breadtubers” generally retreat constantly into the safety of “hey we’re all just goofing around here.” The possibility of seriousness is preemptively ironized away. Everything’s a joke; nothing matters; now watch me no-scope this guy.

What propositional content would I be addressing in Piker’s streams, then? What are his big ideas, politically? I’m sure he’s really good at being a streamer, and it’s a hard thing to do well. (I’m too old to really understand that whole world, I think.) But the question remains, if we’re asked to interpret his project politically, what is he bringing to the table as a political theorist or organizer? If there’s some big central idea that Piker has advanced that I’ve missed, please, point me in the right direction. If he writes a book, I’ll read and review it. But I find it bizarre that there’s an expectation that I would be interested in, or even capable of, mining his various videos and picking through the endless jokes to find what he’s actually putting out there politically.

I like Natalie Wynn much more, but the fundamental frustration is perhaps even deeper there: in her videos she very elegantly and intelligently traffics in banalities, middlebrow wisdom for people who are too distracted to think any deeper. This is, no doubt, a function of her project, of the kind of person she's teaching out to, which I respect. But it's not for me. Her YouTube videos are exquisitely made explorations of specific issues without any clear connection to a broader political milieu. While I don’t find a lot of novelty in them I do think she’s a remarkably effective teacher. But that broader political project remains inscrutable to me. I don’t know what her grand vision is, what the big-picture valence is of all of these discrete parts. I understand her to be a leftist, but I don’t know which kind, nor do I have a sense of what she thinks about the overarching question of how to be a leftist in 21st-century America.

At least Wynn clearly has deeper understanding of the issues that she discusses, even if she never really spells out the bigger picture. (I suspect she’s saving it for a book.) “Vaush,” Christ. I don't know, man. Pretty nakedly pro-imperialism, overbearingly invested in linguistic purity markers, dismissive of left criticisms of liberals, “libertarian” except for people he doesn't like? The guy's politics are incoherent, even in the sad context of today's left, and trying to suss them out is not made easier by the fact that he peppers his conversations with Marxist terms that make no sense whatsoever. I have heard the term “dialectics” wedged into sentences where they could be removed without changing the meaning enough times in my life, thanks. (I will again stress: it is OK to consider yourself on the far left and to drop your vestigial attachment to Marxism and its vocabulary.)

He’s also kind of a monster!

“We’re wealthier than them by metrics.” Ah, yes. Metrics. I too know words. For the record, Russia has the world’s largest nuclear arsenal and less to lose than the NATO countries do in a nuclear conflict, and Vaush and his army of indoor kid fans can’t stop them from making the tristate area glow if they decide to. More to the point, anyone who knows the slightest thing about sanctions - the topic he’s so casually spouting off about - knows that they hurt the poorest most and the powerful least, leaving the leadership structure on top. Putin will not starve, that much is certain, but millions of innocent Russian citizens might. And we’re still yet to chew on how someone could think advocating for starving millions of innocent people to bring their government to heel - forgive me for going “literally Hitler,” but literally Hitler’s plan for Russia - could ever fit with the respect for human rights and resistance to American hegemony any leftist should have. The less said about this guy, the better, and the fact that he has so many apologists in the larger “Breadtube” space says some not-very-great things.

There’s a guy named Destiny I’m sometimes asked to comment on too. Destiny. A man in his 30s. There was a time when giving yourself a name like the lesser half of a WWF tag team would be seen as self-evidently ridiculous, but here we are. We’re in a strange place these days, as a culture. “Destiny,” christ.

The larger issue is this: these cultures are sites of the great 21st-century curse of addiction to jokes. And while humor can be a great balm and an occasional organizing tool, contemporary socialism is an object lesson in the dangers of treating your political movement as a comedy club. At some point you have to just say “this is who I am, these are my values, and here’s why you should join me,” with all the vulnerability that such frankness entails. There’s a great temptation, in life, to hide in a space of unseriousness. Or, maybe even worse, to constantly slide into and out of seriousness as convenient. Hey, you took me seriously when I said that? lol lol lol, imagine taking me seriously. It never ends. Every argument that fails to go your way can be sabotaged if you act like you never meant it. And this is a state of affairs that has bled deeper and deeper into the socialist world, and I’ve watched it happen in real time. Yes, I understand that the Marxist world that I grew up in was no closer to power than we are now, and no, I don’t think that we should be a joyless collection of nerds having pointless arguments in drab halls. But there is such a thing as overcorrecting. Sadly, there’s little personal profit in going first in rejecting jokey meaninglessness. Not in these cultures.

It’s fair to say that I need to propose a better way forward if I’m criticizing what they’re doing now. Personally? I think socialism is a verb, not a noun - it’s something you do, rather than something you are. You must practice! I think people who have activist urges should go do activism. Find a local organization, investigate it, go to a couple meetings, and if you like what you're hearing, try a few events or actions. My advice is to avoid left generalist organizations at first and stick to issue-specific groups, whether in housing, education, healthcare, or other. Find an organization where people say things that make sense and put together actions that could at least plausibly help real people. Then do the work of being a leftist. Advance the cause by inches. Tell jokes on your own time.

Is that how we win? Probably not. But it’s got to be better than lol lol lol nothing matters. We’ve tried that for a decade. Look what it’s brought us so far. I recognize that I don’t have a great plan myself, but it’s better than spending the rest of our lives sneering online while the world burns. We’ll always be sorting through various bad options. Ours is a love amongst the ruins.
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One of the most liked replies in the comments:
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The biggest problem with socialism right now, the reason it’s directionless and treated as an ironic joke, is that the people who are doing the organizing and are the face of the movement not only aren’t working class themselves but detest and have contempt for the working class. And no, I’m not talking just the white working class (although of course they do). I mean anyone without a college education and the right social view. There is a great divide where the bulk of the working class is aligned behind a political project they find deplorable, often with good reason. You can’t have a socialist movement when the majority of the working classes aren’t with you and where the majority of the organizers aren’t working class. The organizers can’t compromise their social values, which they hold very dear, to make common cause with the people going to Trump rallies and trucker protests. The people going to trucker protests and trump rallies have exactly zero interest in most of the causes they see prominently in the socialist movement, which largely involve telling them they are stupid, the things they like and listen to and watch are morally and aesthetically awful and that jobs that have traditionally been a point of pride with them and their family members (the military, police force, agriculture, coal and gas) are destroying the planet rather than holding up society. (I realize most working class people actually work service jobs, but I’m talking about jobs that even if only held by a minority of working class people, have long been aspirational for them and something of which to be proud). I think that sometimes the socialist movement has good reason for its stance on these things but it doesn’t matter because the cultural divide with the bulk of the working class prevents and purposeful and effective movement. You can’t have a socialist movement led by and comprised of almost exclusively the professional middle class. They joke because it is NOT serious to them. It’s a hobby for the comfortable.
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How bad did Duncan lose his debate with Destiny?

He is still seething about it

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Don't feel like showing off the hundreds of tweets he is still making but its days later and he is still seething

He is coping so bad he uploaded his debate
 
Josterman said:
I know right

that I’m not sure with them but cypher did say in one his videos the CHAZ was a insurrection so take that as you will
from Jose
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mwsr1PDpb2g
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Jose is Canadian and says he is a Leftist fighting the good fight.

Naturally, he supports any and all government COVID mandates and justifies everything Fauci says.

Here he is referencing on how lockdowns worked from a study from 2020, a month AFTER the Floyd riots started - negating any 'benefit' they had - while accusing the economists of not being peer reviewed.

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Yeah the 'science just changed' when it went from two shots would end COVID infection as we know it to 'it just stops severe infection you can still spread it we never said it would protect you lol' to 'yeah you need a booster the first two didn't work' to 'you need a shot every three months because we can't stop infection'

You can tell this guy followed all the good blue checkmarks like Hotez, Rassmussen, and Topol.

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That paper, again, was published in June 2020. We have had tons of information since then showing that they did not reduce spread at all. In highly vaccinated nations there have been a tremendous increase in cases when we were told that would never happen. We were also told the vaccine would work against ALL variants and that Omicron would lead to waves of deaths among the unvaccinated.

Bill Maher is a Leftist who did everything correctly for COVID and Jose is acting like any mealy mouthed BlueAnon Boomer who doesn't want to leave him. His Jimmy Dore hit job is basically him admitting everything Fauci said was wrong, because all Dore ever does is reference what Fauci said.

Keep crying over the truckers, Jose like any fucking champagne socialist. You're no leaf of mine.
 
Chandelier said:
Jose is Canadian and says he is a Leftist fighting the good fight.

Naturally, he supports any and all government COVID mandates and justifies everything Fauci says.

Here he is referencing on how lockdowns worked from a study from 2020, a month AFTER the Floyd riots started - negating any 'benefit' they had - while accusing the economists of not being peer reviewed.

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Yeah the 'science just changed' when it went from two shots would end COVID infection as we know it to 'it just stops severe infection you can still spread it we never said it would protect you lol' to 'yeah you need a booster the first two didn't work' to 'you need a shot every three months because we can't stop infection'

You can tell this guy followed all the good blue checkmarks like Hotez, Rassmussen, and Topol.

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That paper, again, was published in June 2020. We have had tons of information since then showing that they did not reduce spread at all. In highly vaccinated nations there have been a tremendous increase in cases when we were told that would never happen. We were also told the vaccine would work against ALL variants and that Omicron would lead to waves of deaths among the unvaccinated.

Bill Maher is a Leftist who did everything correctly for COVID and Jose is acting like any mealy mouthed BlueAnon Boomer who doesn't want to leave him. His Jimmy Dore hit job is basically him admitting everything Fauci said was wrong, because all Dore ever does is reference what Fauci said.

Keep crying over the truckers, Jose like any fucking champagne socialist. You're no leaf of mine.
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Even jimmy Ford said the lockdowns dont work and even bill maher called out his own side during the pandemic
 
Apologies for the Reddit post but this one is hilarious


Duncan had sniffed so much of the glue his audience eats that he thought he crushed Destiny in his debate and decided not only to upload it to YouTube but also post it on Destiny's reddit page. When I tell you the amount of shit he got and the amount of cope Duncan gave out was next level, I am not kidding. He thought he was going to get banned from the reddit page. Instead he got his tiny nuts chopped off
 
Chandelier said:
Jose is Canadian and says he is a Leftist fighting the good fight.

Naturally, he supports any and all government COVID mandates and justifies everything Fauci says.

Here he is referencing on how lockdowns worked from a study from 2020, a month AFTER the Floyd riots started - negating any 'benefit' they had - while accusing the economists of not being peer reviewed.

View attachment 2970581

Yeah the 'science just changed' when it went from two shots would end COVID infection as we know it to 'it just stops severe infection you can still spread it we never said it would protect you lol' to 'yeah you need a booster the first two didn't work' to 'you need a shot every three months because we can't stop infection'

You can tell this guy followed all the good blue checkmarks like Hotez, Rassmussen, and Topol.

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That paper, again, was published in June 2020. We have had tons of information since then showing that they did not reduce spread at all. In highly vaccinated nations there have been a tremendous increase in cases when we were told that would never happen. We were also told the vaccine would work against ALL variants and that Omicron would lead to waves of deaths among the unvaccinated.

Bill Maher is a Leftist who did everything correctly for COVID and Jose is acting like any mealy mouthed BlueAnon Boomer who doesn't want to leave him. His Jimmy Dore hit job is basically him admitting everything Fauci said was wrong, because all Dore ever does is reference what Fauci said.

Keep crying over the truckers, Jose like any fucking champagne socialist. You're no leaf of mine.
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Don't trust Bill Maher or Joe rogan about science, you should trust some random faggot named josenotajay on Twitter lmao
 
Puck said:
Don't trust Bill Maher or Joe rogan about science, you should trust some random faggot named josenotajay on Twitter lmao
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No Josenotajay is just repeating what Fauci has said. But the most current Fauci quote since he keeps changing his position on this virus to try and memoryhole lefties like DSP does with his wheelchairs
 
DirtyHegel said:
learned something about Lindsay Ellis, she has or had a stint at PBS https://www.pbs.org/show/its-lit/ and allegedly was an editor for Al Jazeera, still looking for info on that.
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Wow. This is right down her alley. The content seemed to be targeted towards hip millenials as seen by PBS' out of touch management and millenials who never went outside academia. This style quickly popped up and died years ago but PBS has a history of being a welfare system for humanities graduates. Also lol at the black woman talking about anime.
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Neigh said:
Wow. This is right down her alley. The content seemed to be targeted towards hip millenials as seen by PBS' out of touch management and millenials who never went outside academia. This style quickly popped up and died years ago but PBS has a history of being a welfare system for humanities graduates. Also lol at the black woman talking about anime.
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I mean PBS is just a CIA front ( Operation Mockingbird ), its fucking suspicious shes linked to it, and also linked to Al Jazeera potentially ( I am also curious about Axioms End and how it was circulated when no one fucking read it )
 
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