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By Ruth Whippman
June 5, 2024, 5:03 a.m. ET

Ms. Whippman is the author of “Boymom: Reimagining Boyhood in the Age of Impossible Masculinity.”
The 20-year-old college student and gamer I met in Cedar City, Utah, didn’t seem particularly amused by his own joke that he was a cultural cliché. He lived in his grandma’s basement, and barely left the house except to go to classes. He spent the vast majority of his free time online — playing video games, watching porn and hanging out on Discord, the heavily male-skewed communication platform, where users gather in communities devoted to topics ranging from the innocuously nerdy to the utterly horrifying. By his own admission, he was brutally lonely.
During the pandemic, he was a moderator for a Discord community, at first mainly sorting out technical problems and weeding out trolls. But one night, an adolescent boy called him over voice chat, and started sharing how lonely and depressed he was. He spoke with the boy for an hour, trying to talk him down and give him hope. That call led to more like it. Over time, he developed a reputation as an unofficial therapist on the server. By the time he left Discord a year or so later, he’d had about 200 calls with different people, both men and women, who spoke of contemplating suicide.
But it was the boys who seemed the most desperately lonely and isolated. On the site, he said, he found “a lot more unhealthy men than unhealthy women.” He added: “With men, there is a huge thing about mental health and shame because you’re not supposed to be weak. You’re not supposed to be broken.” A male mental-health crisis was flying under the radar.
I have spent the last few years talking to boys as research for my new book, as well as raising my own three sons, and I have come to believe the conditions of modern boyhood amount to a perfect storm for loneliness. This is a new problem bumping up against an old one. All the old deficiencies and blind spots of male socialization are still in circulation — the same mass failure to teach boys relational skills and emotional intelligence, the same rigid masculinity norms and social prohibitions that push them away from intimacy and emotionality. But in screen-addicted, culture war-torn America, we have also added new ones.

The micro-generation that was just hitting puberty as the #Metoo movement exploded in 2017 is now of college (and voting) age. They have lived their whole adolescence not just in the digital era, with a glorious array of virtual options to avoid the angst of real-world socializing, but also in the shadow of a wider cultural reckoning around toxic masculinity.

We have spent the past half-decade wrestling with ideas of gender and privilege, attempting to challenge the old stereotypes and power structures. These conversations should have been an opportunity to throw out the old pressures and norms of manhood, and to help boys and men be more emotionally open and engaged. But in many ways this environment has apparently had the opposite effect — it has shut them down even further.
For many progressives, weary from a pileup of male misconduct, the refusal to engage with men’s feelings has now become almost a point of principle. For every right-wing tough guy urging his crying son to “man up,” there’s a voice from the left telling him that to express his concerns is to take airtime away from a woman or someone more marginalized. The two are not morally equivalent, but to boys, the impact can often feel similar. In many cases, the same people who are urging boys and men to become more emotionally expressive are also taking a moral stand against hearing how they actually feel. For many boys, it can seem as though their emotions get dismissed by both sides. This political isolation has combined with existing masculine norms to push a worrying number of boys into a kind of resentful, semi-politicized reclusion.
The statistics are starting to feel like their own cliché. Over a quarter of men under 30 say they have no close friends. Teenage boys now spend two hours less a week socializing than girls and they also spend about seven hours more per week than their female peers on screens.
As a mother of boys, I get a chill down my spine at these numbers. And my own research has fed my fears. I talked to boys of all types. Jocks and incels, popular kids and socially awkward, rich and poor. And the same theme came up over and over for boys who on the face of it had little else in common. They were lonely.

Some of them were genuinely isolated. Others had plenty of friends. But almost all of them had the nagging sense that something important was missing in those friendships. They found it almost impossible to talk to their male peers about anything intimate or express vulnerability. One teenager described his social circle, a group of boys who had been best friends since kindergarten, as a “very unsupportive support system.” Another revealed that he could recall only one emotionally open conversation with a male friend in his life, and that even his twin brother had not seen him cry in years. But they felt unable to articulate this pain or seek help, because of a fear that, because they were boys, no one would listen.
As one 20-year-old put it, “If a man voices any concern, they get deflected with all of their so-called privileges.” He added: “They’d be like, ‘Whatever. Women have suffered more than you, so you have no right to complain.’”
Almost without exception, the boys I talked to craved closer, more emotionally open relationships, but had neither the skills nor the social permission to change the story.
Perhaps it’s not surprising that boys don’t know how to listen and engage with their friends’ emotions on any deeper level; after all, no one really engages with theirs. We are convinced that men and boys have had more than their fair share of our attention already because in a sexist society, male opinions hold outsized value. But the world — including their own parents — has less time for their feelings.
One study from 2014 showed that parents were more likely to use emotional words when talking with their 4-year-old daughters than those speaking to their 4-year-old sons. (Right from birth, mothers were less likely to chat back to boys’ early sounds.) A more recent study comparing fathers of boys with fathers of girls found that fathers of boys were less attentively engaged with their boys, spent less time talking about their son’s sad feelings and instead were more likely to roughhouse with them. They even used subtly different vocabularies when talking with boys, with fewer feelings-centered words, and more competition and winning-focused language.

Spend any time in the manosphere, and it’s easy to start to hate men and boys. The extreme misogyny, the gleeful hate speech, the violent threats and thrum of menace make it hard to summon much sympathy for male concerns, and easy to forget the ways that patriarchy harms them, too.
Perhaps it’s not surprising that in the grip of the culture wars, caring about boys has become subtly coded as a right-wing cause, a dog whistle for a kind of bad-faith politicking. Men have had way more than their fair share of our concern already, the reasoning goes, and now it’s time for them to pipe down. But for boys, privilege and harm intertwine in complex ways — male socialization is a strangely destructive blend of indulgence and neglect. Under patriarchy, boys and men get everything, except the thing that’s most worth having: human connection.
Silencing or demonizing boys in the name of progressive ideals is only reinforcing this problem, pushing them further into isolation and defensiveness. The prescription for creating a generation of healthier, more socially and emotionally competent men is the same in the wider political discourse as it is in our own homes — to approach boys generously rather than punitively. We need to acknowledge boys’ feelings, to talk with our sons in the same way we do our daughters, to hear them and empathize rather than dismiss or minimize, and engage with them as fully emotional beings.
They are more than ready to talk. We just need to make sure we are listening.
 
Spend any time in the manosphere, and it’s easy to start to hate men and boys. The extreme misogyny, the gleeful hate speech, the violent threats and thrum of menace make it hard to summon much sympathy for male concerns, and easy to forget the ways that patriarchy harms them, too.

Men don't automatically hate other men, that's a womanly trait. Men will disagree, sometimes violently, with each other and then go out and have a beer and talk about something else. Women will snipe at each other like a goddamn Marine and tear another woman down just for sport.

This is why it's important for men to teach boys how to be a man and not let single moms and women teach boys to be men.
 
the same mass failure to teach boys relational skills and emotional intelligence, the same rigid masculinity norms and social prohibitions that push them away from intimacy and emotionality

The old argument that men are just defective women. And emotional intelligence is such a fucking joke. "Hmm, I face constant rejection and I'm the acceptable target in a hostile world, blamed for the actions of people I don't know who are doing significantly better than myself. I recognize that I feel sad about this. Problem solved!"

These conversations should have been an opportunity to throw out the old pressures and norms of manhood, and to help boys and men be more emotionally open and engaged

Yup, she wants to make men into fags.

We need to acknowledge boys’ feelings, to talk with our sons in the same way we do our daughters, to hear them and empathize rather than dismiss or minimize, and engage with them as fully emotional beings.

Her poor sons. This article doesn't even explain what boys are getting except railroaded!
 
Men don't automatically hate other men, that's a womanly trait. Men will disagree, sometimes violently, with each other and then go out and have a beer and talk about something else. Women will snipe at each other like a goddamn Marine and tear another woman down just for sport.

This is why it's important for men to teach boys how to be a man and not let single moms and women teach boys to be men.
I saw it every day in the kitchen. "Fuck you!" "Fuck you, too!" Three hours later we're buying each other rounds.
 
I'm surprised you can even still get clicks and ad revenue on "men bad" articles.

Those are probably a third of internet content by now right after cat videos and porn.
 
Spend any time in the manosphere, and it’s easy to start to hate men and boys. The extreme misogyny, the gleeful hate speech, the violent threats and thrum of menace make it hard to summon much sympathy for male concerns, and easy to forget the ways that patriarchy harms them, too.
Spend any time in the feminist environment, and it's easy to start to hate women and girls. The extreme misandry, the gleeful hate speech, the violent threats and thrum of menace make it hard to summon much sympathy for female concerns, and easy to forget the ways that feminism harms them, too.
 
"Social changes over the last decades have med men, especially young men, miserable. So let's do that, but even more."

It's just a repackaging of "the ideology cannot fail, it can only be failed" chestnut.
 
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please no one do this. dying for isreal, ukrainetards, or some other bullshit is not worth it. join a gang instead, bloods, crypts, hells angels, whatever.
That's the thing, men are still vulnerable to being drafted to die for Ukraine or Israel. As long as the draft is a thing, boys should be raised to be emotionally prepared for combat. It is cruel to raise them to be sensitive little snowflakes and then shove them onto the battlefield against their will.
 
The old argument that men are just defective women. And emotional intelligence is such a fucking joke.
"Emotional intelligence", in any useful sense, is the ability to understand the subjectivity of your emotions and recognize where other people might have different emotions/feelings/thoughts. I like vanilla ice cream, I gave that stupid fucking whore vanilla ice cream, why isn't she happy? Once you start getting into more abstract concepts, and ones that involve other people, it's a total crapshoot and the best most people can seem to do is reading a meme book on "love languages" to introduce the concept the way you introduce a child to arithmetic.

Ironically, the old truism that women are much better at understanding emotions than men seems to be pure cope and the exact opposite almost true. Men have to create value for other people to be valued, weirdos who can't read the room are mocked, and pop culture is FULL of guides for men on how to understand women. Yet, in turn, their problems are answered not by a culture that tries to understand and correct them, but the firm insistence that they just need to behave more like women. Broad generalization (pun intended), of course, but it's always struck me as a bit funny. When I was a bit younger, I briefly dated a nice enough girl who complimented me on my emotional intelligence and then later in the same conversation got mad at me over a comment I made. She mentioned a customer at her job earlier in the week who was rude to her, and I had the gall to muse that I wondered what happened in his day to make him think that was an appropriate way to act. I was so surprised by her snapping at me about it that the irony didn't even strike me until the date was over, and suffice to say there wasn't a follow-up.
 
For every right-wing tough guy urging his crying son to “man up,” there’s a voice from the left telling him that to express his concerns is to take airtime away from a woman or someone more marginalized. The two are not morally equivalent, but to boys, the impact can often feel similar.
brainless retard author holy shit
teaching the kid to man up is doing him a favor because that's objectively the only way he's ever going to get anywhere, both with women and with life in general.
meanwhile bitching him out about privilege is just gleeful cruelty and callous disregard, basically outright telling him "you don't matter, you are a worthless worm, kill yourself"

i hate feminists so fucking much, it's getting hard to even put into words how much i detest them
 
Wow that's a shit ton of concern trolling about boys and men
As a mother of boys, I get a chill down my spine at these numbers
Your boys are gonna be faggots or something weird. I can almost guarantee it.
 
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