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MAMA MIA! DONAIRE IS CHAMPION ONCE AGAIN!

This was the weekend of two opposite main events. One of natural power, and one of natural skill.

May 29, Las Vegas - DAZN



Amari Jones TKO1 Jonathan Ryan Burrs
https://youtube.com/watch?v=RimbVA1eMHYKhalil Coe TKO2 Nathaniel Todd - The debut of Khalil Coe. Good looking prospect and worth keeping an eye on. Not often a debut ends in a bodyshot KO.
Ramla Ali UD6 Mikayla Nebel
Reshat Mati UD6 Ryan Pino
Chantelle Cameron TKO5 Melissa Hernandez
Jason Quigley MD Shane Mosley Jr. If the name Shane Mosley sounds familiar, it's his son. Not quite as good as dad, but few are.
Azinga Fuzile TKO8 Martin J. Ward

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qgx9wyKpHrYDevin Haney UD12 Jorge Linares

Haney is the WBC Titleist, and defended his belt against a faded Jorge Linares. Just a few things about Linares - 5 losses (before this fight), all by KO in 52 matches. He is no spring chicken, and due to all of the scar tissue he has accumulated in 19 years of fighting, he is known to be a bleeder. Haney never once came close to putting this man away, not once. He was not bleeding at the end of this fight, and IMO Linares realized too late that he could walk through this crap and GET him.
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The luckiest man in that ring is wearing white trunks. He would have been KO'd if there had been any time left in the round. Afterwards, it was jab, grab, run. I was listening to the broadcast at work, and his hometown audience was booing him at the end of the fight, and cheering for Linares. The little dance Linares did in the above clip really got them going, and swung the fickle winds of audience favor in his direction. So, as that turd Max Kellerman might say, Linares won the STORY of the fight. Also, he gets to go home to this -
So, if you watched your highlight video like a good Kiwi, you will see a LOT of shots landed on Linares. Surely, he was a mangled mess after the fight, right? He took some PUNISHMENT!
And he is right. At the top level, Haney can not get anyone out of the ring early. He is what they call in the industry a 'pillowfist' and it is truly a damn shame. Haney could be the next Sugar Ray Leonard with the boxing skill and hand speed he has, but he has NO POWER! He is going to need to find some before he sells that belt to any other top level opposition in his weight class. I truly hope that he can figure something out, since his talent is unreal.

Now, on to the other half -

May 29, Carson CA -

Rey Diaz UD4 Sergio A. Gonzalez
Atif Oberlton KO3 Larry Pryor
Alejandro S. Barrios KO2 Juan G. Medina
Kevin Johnson KO8 Luis David Salazar <------- WOOF WOOF! There's dog 1 of the day. Johnson brought the hurt early to Salazar, scoring knockdowns in the third (x2), seventh, and ended things in the eighth. Looking at Johnsons record, he has fought an unusually tough first ten fights, and his level of competition showed against Salazar.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=cnXl0WVP2rUGary A. Russell RTD6 Jovanie Santiago

https://youtube.com/watch?v=OAr0UZ6eEAgSubriel Matias RTD8 Batyrzhan Jukembayev

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3-EvHTprw4ANonito Donaire KO4 Nordine Oubaali

Compare the above with the Haney fight. Donaire is 38 years old, and made history last night as the oldest man to get a bantamweight belt. He sent that French/Arab bastard straight to the S H A D O W R E A L M with counterpunching and slick movement that has been perfected over two decades. There is POWER in both of those hands, career ending, harmful power. Just so you know the difference.

Donaire says he wants an Inoue rematch, and I would be lying if I didn't say I wanted the same. Both men now know a few of the others tricks, so new strategies would be needed, more intensive training camps, and so on. What an incredible fight that would be. Also, I would love to see Donaire fight Casimero, or even rematch Rigondeaux. What an amazing KO for Donaire! Also, told you so. He didn't wait around until the late rounds, but the result is still the same.

UPCOMING FIGHTS - One big card for next weekend.

Jarret Hurd faces tough, but middling competition in Luis Arias. Look for this one to go the distance in favor of Hurd.



BETTING -
I had 100 on Donaire by KO, so that's +$450
Also had Matias v Jukembayev - NOT go the distance at -175, so +$100
+$550 on the weekend! Whenever Donaire is the dog, throw him some bones.
What is it with Filipino boxers and turning back the clock. Pacquiao is still going at 42 and Donaire has still got it at 38.
 
Not a huge fan of the Paul School of Boxing, but it brings in interest and eyeballs. Why do MMA guys always seem to struggle in the ring? Is the transition from boxing -> MMA easier than the other way around?
 
Not a huge fan of the Paul School of Boxing, but it brings in interest and eyeballs. Why do MMA guys always seem to struggle in the ring? Is the transition from boxing -> MMA easier than the other way around?

It really depends on your base skillset and work ethic. Clay Collard was a pretty middle of the road fighter in the UFC but he actually had a pretty decent run in boxing a few years back.

Most of the issue with Paul's opponents just simply boil down to the fact that these guys are wrestlers, first and foremost. Woodley has a powerful right but is incredibly gunshy and I wouldn't say his striking is all that refined.

As with boxers going into MMA, it depends on how their opponent fights them mostly. Tim Sylvia wanted to stand with Ray Mercer and he unsurprisingly got dreaded. When James Toney faced Randy Couture, Couture knew he had no chance striking so he intelligently shot in for the takedown immediately and won with ease. There's currently a former top 15 cruiserweight boxer in his second MMA fight in KSW, so he's someone worth keeping an eye out on, as it seems that he's taking the transition seriously.

In reality, it seems as if kickboxers have a better time transitioning to either sport more times than not. Nieky Holzken was extremely competitive as last minute replacement in the World Series of Boxing, Enriko Gogokhia is picking up a lot steam in the boxing ranks. Kyotaro was a regional champ. Tyrone Spong had positioned himself into a fight with Usyk, I believe, until he pissed hot.

Same with MMA. Giga Chikadze just beat Cub Swanson and Israel Adesanya was a top 5 kickboxer at Middleweight.
 
It really depends on your base skillset and work ethic. Clay Collard was a pretty middle of the road fighter in the UFC but he actually had a pretty decent run in boxing a few years back.

Most of the issue with Paul's opponents just simply boil down to the fact that these guys are wrestlers, first and foremost. Woodley has a powerful right but is incredibly gunshy and I wouldn't say his striking is all that refined.

As with boxers going into MMA, it depends on how their opponent fights them mostly. Tim Sylvia wanted to stand with Ray Mercer and he unsurprisingly got dreaded. When James Toney faced Randy Couture, Couture knew he had no chance striking so he intelligently shot in for the takedown immediately and won with ease. There's currently a former top 15 cruiserweight boxer in his second MMA fight in KSW, so he's someone worth keeping an eye out on, as it seems that he's taking the transition seriously.

In reality, it seems as if kickboxers have a better time transitioning to either sport more times than not. Nieky Holzken was extremely competitive as last minute replacement in the World Series of Boxing, Enriko Gogokhia is picking up a lot steam in the boxing ranks. Kyotaro was a regional champ. Tyrone Spong had positioned himself into a fight with Usyk, I believe, until he pissed hot.

Same with MMA. Giga Chikadze just beat Cub Swanson and Israel Adesanya was a top 5 kickboxer at Middleweight.
They are just two different disciplines which doesn't transfer as well as people think unless they take the transition seriously. MMA fighters have to learn so many different disciplines to get good. Boxers hyper focus on one aspect. Even something as simple as a leg kick is game changing for boxers. There is a clip of a fat, overweight Riddick Bowe deciding to enter a freakshow Muay Thai fight. Muay Thai fighter gives him one kick to the leg (which is heavy because Bowe wants to jab) and he immediately looks to get out of there. Few more and he quits.

It's the same reason why I think the hyped up Clarissa Shields debut is going to be utterly shit. Opponent is just going to take her down, ground and pound her, probably choke her out. We know from her statements that she's just working with the BJJ/Wrestling coach. They aren't throwing her against other wrestlers/BJJ people looking to utterly humiliate her on the ground.

Woodley is likely going to lose this. If however he does bother to come out guns blazing like he did against Vicente Luque it might be fun for one round before he does get hit.
 
Shields is a goof if she thinks she's going to make more money in mma. Maybe Uncle Dana has something set aside for her, but she is a reverse Ronda Rousey, as in she only knows standup, and no take downs.
Clay Collard
That was a fun run he had. I remember him ruining a couple of prospects, and it looked like he was having a blast in the ring. He makes for a great gatekeeper.
 
Not much happened...

Slow weekend. I'm not going to get into the Mayweather exhibition, as there is a thread about it already. Just to recap it briefly, both Floyd and Logan made A LOT of money, and that's about it.

6/6, Hard Rock Stadium, FL -

Jalil Major Hackett KO1 Angelo Diaz <---- Both fighters professional debut
Dorian Mark Khan Jr. TKO2 Jonathan Grey
Adrian Benton UD Pedro Angel Cruz
Jean Carlos Torres TKO2 Zack Kuhn
Badou Jack TKO4 Dervin Colina <-- Colina was a late replacement for Jean Pascal, who popped hot for roids. Jack and Pascal had a great fight in 2019, and this was set to be the highlight of the night. However, that LEAF Pascal had to pop hot for roids, thus ruining everything. Good riddance to him.
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Luis Arias SD10 Jarrett Hurd <--- WOOF WOOF! Jarrett hurd, who I am a fan of, dropped a 10 round SD to a dogged competitor in Luis Arias. The scores were 94-95, 97-93, 96-93. The venue was outdoors, and being Florida in the springtime, there was rain. The ring was slick for the latter half of the fight, and both fighters had trouble with footing at times. Arias was knocked down in the 9th via a jab, but I believe it was a slip. Still, he prevailed. Arias should be able to get himself a title shot, a big payday, or both. What's next for Hurd? At age 30, he's not exactly old for the division, but he did not look himself in the ring. Maybe making 158 pounds is too taxing for him? I hope to see him have a Donaire-like recovery, where dropping down a weight class might reinvigorate him. And I hope he does, as he is a fun fighter to watch.
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6/6, Shropshire, ENGLUND -

Adan Mohamed PTS4 Luke Fash
George Bance PTS4 Jordan Ellison
Tommy Fury PTS4 Jordan Grant <-- Yes, he is related to Tyson.
Daniel Buciuc PTS6 Naeem Ali
Liam Davies TKO2 Stefan Slavchev

Caoimhin Agyarko RTD3 Ernesto Olvera - Agyarko landed a great bodyshot at the end of the 3rd, and forced Olvera to quit on his stool. Props to Olvera for making it to his stool.

Nathan Heaney KO3 Iliyan Markov

Daniel Dubois KO2 Bogdan Dinu - Daniel Dubois returned to form against gatekeeper Bogdan Dinu with a sweet right hand in the beginning of round two. Dubois looked good in the first round, distancing the jab, countering well and moving in and out of range of Dinu's long reach. Good confidence building win for Dubois, and this puts him right back into the contender group in the heavyweight division.

For those not in the know, Dubois' only loss was at the hands of the Juggernaut, Joe Joyce. I love watching Joe, as it appears that he has no business in the ring. He just seems so slow, and yet he keeps on winning. When Dubois fought him, Joyce broke his left orbital by sticking him with the jab for 9 rounds straight. Dubois kept lunging in to Joyce's jab, and it resulted in an L for him. I am happy to see him spring back so well.

Incidentally, Billy Joe Saunders talked mad shit to Daniel Dubois after the defeat, but then he lost the same way to Canelo. Oops!

BETTING - I had a mediocre weekend, but still came out on top.
Heaney v. Markov - Fight will go the distance at +220 - X -100
Buciuc v Ali - Fight will go the distance at -250 - +100
Dubois v. Dinu - Fight will not go the distance at -700- +65

UPCOMING -
Shakur Stevenson v. Jeremiah Nakathila of Ghana. UD12 for Stevenson.
Jose Pedraza v. Julian Rodriguez - Rodriguez is heavy handed, but I think that the experience of Pedraza will prevail. Pedraza by KO.
Lewis Ritson v. Jeremias Nicolas Ponce - Ritson by MD
Alan Babic, an up and coming heavyweight, will be fighting some bum. Tune in for the KO, as Babic is fun to watch.

Thanks for stopping by, and we will do it again next week.
 
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Decent Weekend…

Well xes and xirs, it was a fairly fun weekend. The dogs were barking, much to my delight, so let’s get into it!

6/12, Las Vegas -

Jahi Tucker UD4 Ysrael Barboza
Troy Isley UD4 LaQuan Evans
Kasir Goldston UD4 Maurice Anthony
Bryan Lua UD6 Frevian G. Robles
Xander Zayas TKO3 Larry Fryers

Manuel Rey Rojas UD8 Tyler McCreary
John Bauza TKO2 Christon Edwards
Jose Pedraza RTD8 Julian Rodriguez - WOOF WOOF! Pedraza is nicknamed ‘Sniper’, and this fight showed why. Rodriguez fought in straight lines behind his shell, and Pedraza’s excellent shot placement negated his defenses and caused Rodriguez’ eyes to swell shut for the TKO. For some reason, Pedraza was the dog at the bookies, which I do not understand. So for ‘Hammerhands’ Rodriguez, hopefully someone shows him how to avoid standing in front of his opponent. I imagine Pedraza gets another title shot.

Shakur Stevenson UD12 Jeremia Nakathila - Stevenson is one out of the new ‘Four Kings,’ the others being Haney, Ryan Garcia, and Teofimo Lopez. Haney put on a snoozer (imo) recently, Garcia is having mental issues, and Lopez is the only proven one out of this batch, and he defends next week. You can lump Stevenson with Haney for his performance this week. I caught a glimpse of the CompuBox numbers at one point, and both fighters were throwing equal numbers of punches, but Nakathila had landed about a quarter of what Stevenson landed. The kid is a defensive genius, but he doesn’t throw anything of consequence. I look at Haney and Stevenson, and just think that they are trying to go the Money Mayweather road, when they should be going for the Pretty Boy Floyd approach, back when he was knocking guys out. So yeah, UD12. Great. At least the crowd got their money’s worth with the Pedraza fight. What’s next for Stevenson? Perhaps a shot at Lopez or Haney. Lopez is more likely, seeing as they are under the same promotional banner.

6/12, Newcastle, ENGLUND

April Hunter PTS4 Klaudia Vigh
Cyrus Patterson KO2 Yoncho Markov
Solomon Dacres TKO4 Alvaro Terrero
Alen Babic TKO3 Damian Chambers <-- Got spun'd

Joe Laws PTS6 Chris Adaway
Thomas Patrick Ward UD10 Edy Valencia Mercado
Jeremias Nicolas Ponce TKO10 Lewis Ritson - WOOF WOOF! Ritson is a Euro level guy, and I really didn’t know too much about Ponce coming in, but MAN, Ponce showed up. He nearly got Ritson out of there in the first with a nasty bodyshot, but Ritson survived it. After that, if Ritson hit him with a three punch combination, Ponce answered with five. Outstanding fight for Ponce, and a humbling experience for Ritson. I can’t see him making world level, but Ponce might have a shot. The announcers kept bringing up Josh Taylor, and while I think Taylor would slaughter him, Ponce would make it interesting. Onwards and upwards for Ponce! I can see Ritson being a Euro gatekeeper, but not much more than that. Lastly, it's rare to see the towel thrown and the ref sontinues the fight. ESPECIALLY in ENGLUND. Bizarre.

UPCOMING -

The weekend of the 19th is going to be great.

Teofimo Lopez v. George Kambosos - Kambosos is coming off of a SD against Lee Selby, and before that a SD against Mickey Bey. I don’t see him beating Lopez, but he has the tools and the chin to do so. Lopez UD12.

Jermall Charlo v. Juan Macias Montiel - Charlo by KO.

Naoya Inoue v. Michael Dasmarinas - Inoue by KO.


BETTING - I had an eight dollar gain this weekend! Woo!

Alen Babic - W by KO -350 - +100
Ward v. Mercado - Fight will go the distance -350 - +100
Andreev v. Fonseca - Fight will not go the distance -150 - X-92
Ritson - W by Decision +120 - X-100


Next weekend will be a banger. See you then!
 
I work weekends now, hence the extended absence. I miss writing about boxing already, dammit!

Anyone catch Charlo getting away with a draw?
 
Just an absolutely beautiful robbery on tonight's PBC Fox card.

The type where you wish Teddy Atlas were there to have an aneurysm.
Watching Teddy trying to string sentences together without turning the air blue was always a treat.
 
Rigondeaux VS Casimero was a little bit frustrating to watch. I thought Rigo won because he landed more punches (most notably, the straight left) than Casimero (not by a significant amount, though, but just a noticeable one)

Casimero's performance frustrated me more than Rigondeaux's. It was clear that his tactics were not sound; he was throwing one punch at a time; and it was always sloppy, making it easy for Rigo to dodge. I was internally yelling at Casimero to just throw at least one 3 or 4-piece combination, or do a better job at cutting Rigo off by staying right in front of him as he moved side-to-side.

EDIT: As much as I didn't like Rigo's style in this fight, he speaks the truth here.
 

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It was a stinker. Casimero has always fought with 'the one punch' in mind, imo, which will never work against Rigo. Too much ringcraft. Donaire will slaughter Casimero, should they meet.
 
Props to Ugas for his solid performance against Pacquiao. I fully expected Pacquiao to win with his fast punches and his footwork, but Ugas won in the end. I respect Pacquiao for making the fight competitive using his flurries despite suffering leg cramps in the early rounds which prevented him from using his footwork to get away from the thudding right hand of Ugas. I think Pac's leg troubles also prevented him from using his head movement since he would have to place weight on his legs to do that.

I think this is the best opportunity for Pac to hang them up, or at least have one or two more closing fights against guys around his age (i'm thinking Guerrero or Golovkin) or some low level youngster who would like to prove himself.
 

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Props to Ugas for his solid performance against Pacquiao. I fully expected Pacquiao to win with his fast punches and his footwork, but Ugas won in the end. I respect Pacquiao for making the fight competitive using his flurries despite suffering leg cramps in the early rounds which prevented him from using his footwork to get away from the thudding right hand of Ugas. I think Pac's leg troubles also prevented him from using his head movement since he would have to place weight on his legs to do that.

I think this is the best opportunity for Pac to hang them up, or at least have one or two more closing fights against guys around his age (i'm thinking Guerrero or Golovkin) or some low level youngster who would like to prove himself.
He really should hang it up. Already achieved so much in his career.

But enough about old legendary boxers, we need to talk about the 2nd biggest boxing fight this year that anyone cares about, happening next week. It's THAT time...it's Jake Paul vs Tyron Woodley. The absolute state of boxing when that is what most people in the public care about when it comes to this sport.

He's going to smoke Tyron and make a mockery of the UFC title, isn't he?
 
He really should hang it up. Already achieved so much in his career.

But enough about old legendary boxers, we need to talk about the 2nd biggest boxing fight this year that anyone cares about, happening next week. It's THAT time...it's Jake Paul vs Tyron Woodley. The absolute state of boxing when that is what most people in the public care about when it comes to this sport.

He's going to smoke Tyron and make a mockery of the UFC title, isn't he?

I don't think Jake Paul is going to "smoke" Tyron. As an MMA fighter who uses his hands often (and also appreciates boxing, which he calls the sweet science) Tyron has definitely familiarized himself with boxing during his years in the UFC. I think the fight will be competitive, especially since Tyron trained with Mayweather.

I think Tyron wins a close unanimous decision, but I do think that he'll face some adversity since Jake Paul has spent somewhere around 3 years training solely in the sport of boxing.

Also, I don't think the sport of boxing is dead, and I don't think that Woodley VS Paul is the only thing people are talking about. To my knowledge, people in the casual boxing scene care more about the big names, like Canelo, Pacquiao, Tyson Fury, Wilder, Anthony Joshua, and some others.

I've actually looked into research regarding boxing popularity. It's still a popular sport in terms of global viewership. I took these stats from a report made by GlobalWebIndex of whom surveyed a sample of 113,932 people.
 

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I don't think Jake Paul is going to "smoke" Tyron. As an MMA fighter who uses his hands often (and also appreciates boxing, which he calls the sweet science) Tyron has definitely familiarized himself with boxing during his years in the UFC. I think the fight will be competitive, especially since Tyron trained with Mayweather.

I think Tyron wins a close unanimous decision, but I do think that he'll face some adversity since Jake Paul has spent somewhere around 3 years training solely in the sport of boxing.

Also, I don't think the sport of boxing is dead, and I don't think that Woodley VS Paul is the only thing people are talking about. To my knowledge, people in the casual boxing scene care more about the big names, like Canelo, Pacquiao, Tyson Fury, Wilder, Anthony Joshua, and some others.

I've actually looked into research regarding boxing popularity. It's still a popular sport in terms of global viewership. I took these stats from a report made by GlobalWebIndex of whom surveyed a sample of 113,932 people.
Interesting that last paragraph. Other than Fury, Wilder and Joshua, didn't really think it was that big. It's definitely not as big as it was in the golden years, or at least it doesn't feel like it.

Idk if it will go to a decision. Paul has quite a few advantages. Height, size, lack of wear and tear from fighting, a near endless supply of cash that allows him to commit to boxing with the best trainers without worrying about "life problems". I've also seen some of Tyron's training/sparring and he keeps defaulting to his regular mma fighting stance at times, one hand outstretched. It's too baked into him.

I can see it going like his last fight against Luque. Maybe it starts off technical, but at some point he's going to default to what he's done for years. Throw that looping right hand, maybe hurt Paul, and then get cracked with a counter. Or he falls for the same trick Paul has used on all his opponents, hit the body a few times, then go up top. I also suspect that if his reaction to getting cracked is the same as it was against Luque then whatever faggot referee is going to wave it off.
 
Idk if it will go to a decision. Paul has quite a few advantages. Height, size, lack of wear and tear from fighting, a near endless supply of cash that allows him to commit to boxing with the best trainers without worrying about "life problems". I've also seen some of Tyron's training/sparring and he keeps defaulting to his regular mma fighting stance at times, one hand outstretched. It's too baked into him.

I can see it going like his last fight against Luque. Maybe it starts off technical, but at some point he's going to default to what he's done for years. Throw that looping right hand, maybe hurt Paul, and then get cracked with a counter.

I still think Tyron will win a close unanimous decision. Judging by the training footage of both gentlemen, Tyron seems to be faster. Also, the difference in reach (which I think is more important than height) between both fighters is only two inches, with Paul having 76 inches in reach which is only slightly longer than Woodley's wingspan, which is 74 inches.

Tyron being faster and more focused on defense tells me that he's planning to adopt a style similar to Mike Tyson's, which obviously involves closing the gap using his head movement and firing in the pocket. I also think that Tyron has better "heart" than Paul due to his fighting experience, which will allow him to push forward in case he gets clipped.

In spite of his efforts, Jake Paul isn't that fast. His form is passable for someone who has boxed for around 3 years, but his speed does not match Tyron's that much. On top of that, he has a habit of pushing all of his punches a little bit too far, which doesn't allow him to throw longer, fluid combinations the way Tyron does in his training.

Here are three minutes of Jake Paul training versus three minutes of Tyron Woodley training.
 
I still think Tyron will win a close unanimous decision. Judging by the training footage of both gentlemen, Tyron seems to be faster. Also, the difference in reach (which I think is more important than height) between both fighters is only two inches, with Paul having 76 inches in reach which is only slightly longer than Woodley's wingspan, which is 74 inches.

Tyron being faster and more focused on defense tells me that he's planning to adopt a style similar to Mike Tyson's, which obviously involves closing the gap using his head movement and firing in the pocket. I also think that Tyron has better "heart" than Paul due to his fighting experience, which will allow him to push forward in case he gets clipped.

In spite of his efforts, Jake Paul isn't that fast. His form is passable for someone who has boxed for around 3 years, but his speed does not match Tyron's that much. On top of that, he has a habit of pushing all of his punches a little bit too far, which doesn't allow him to throw longer, fluid combinations the way Tyron does in his training.

Here are three minutes of Jake Paul training versus three minutes of Tyron Woodley training.
Good points. Still worried that we get some fag ref who is looking to call it the second Woodley looks like he's in trouble.

It's an 8 rounder as well, so wouldn't be surprised if they have some gay clause like Tyson and Jones Jr/Logan and Mayweather did that if it goes to the final bell, it gets scored a draw. I know that's how the bookies got people on the Logan Mayweather fight. It was only a "win" if either KO'ed the other, and Mayweather is far from a KO artist, so all the people who bet on Mayweather lost out because he didn't KO Paul. Wouldn't be surprised if it's the same here, ie, there is no "win by decision".
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I am certain this will be the same, so if you are thinking of betting, double check the win conditions.
 
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