Border-Line Personality Disorder

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Kornula said:
I still do not get why the DSRM uses "borderline" personality disorder..when it's clearly not at the borderline..or near it. They totally ignore most borders and boundaries.
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Borderline is a psychoanalytic term used for patients that fell between neurotic and psychotic that entered common usage to refer to a particular set of personality disorder traits.
 
Zero Day Defense said:
No, I trust that. See, @Jack Haywood, what you're not getting is that @Dyn can just breathe fire and literally-- not figuratively, literally-- roast any BPD thot that crosses him. They know that.

That's what keeps them in check.
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I should write a guide on how to date BPD's you have to get the abuse just right.
 
@glass_houses

Goddamn your post is almost identical to my current Roommate. This one is a dude and my fucking god, MY FUCKING GOD.
The constant fucking lying, the constant trying to "borrow" money then gaslight you into that he never, ever "borrowed" anything, being an all round lazy entitled prick who uses his BPD diagnosis as a shield to do anything that involves him getting off his lazy ass and not watching the same fucking Marvel movies on repeat over and over and over again every fucking day in the Common area.

Motherfucker talks at literally 80-105dB and I've tested this with my sound meter hidden, so it's very likely it's even pushing 110dB and the fucker never has a "conversation" he just talks, at you, relentlessly, fucker will just talk at me through my door at like 6am while I'm still sleeping.

The annoying thing is, he constantly lies and has to always be the center of attention, if you're having any conversation with him, say about I don't know, a T-Rex, he will make some up some bullshit "fact" about the T-Rex that is very obviously not real, and if you challenge him on it, he will then get really pissy, pretend to look it up online and then go "there see, fact, Wikipedia it says, *reads out something he clearly is making up*", so again, no real point having conversations with him. He also can't stand anyone else talking with someone that isn't him in the room, so I know as a fact BPDroomie, doesn't give a fucking shit about anime, he hates it actually, Marvel is the best thing ever, anime is overrated shit obviously, so me and mutual were talking about Evangelion, and suddenly, BPDroomie, pretends to be super interested in Evangelion and Anime "Oh tell me about this anime, its so cool, I've always loved anime" even though I know as fact he fucking despises Anime because he sees it as a "competitor" to Marvel.

On Money, when it comes to his money schemes, and ripping me and all his friends and anyone else off, the dude is a complete fucking psychopath. So anyway, sadly, he was the first person in this house, so he controls the bills, so we have to pay him to pay the bills, he uses this relentlessly to try scam the shit out of us. One of his usual scams is to pretend that he doesn't have enough money to cover the bills, so we need to pay him "early" or some shit, even if he knows, with me, for example, that paying bills 2 weeks early will absolutely fuck me over to the point I can't even eat, He will do it. One time, his scam literally left me eating out of the trash, that night, he literally ordered $60 worth of fast food and ate it in front of me. No remorse whatsoever.

This is something I've noticed with BPDs, not only him, but ex girlfriend I had, other BPD roommates in the past (This guy is no.3 and by far the worst, the others were women, and much younger so couldn't wield BPD manipulation as effectively against me). They are constantly testing the limits, to wear you down, and force you into submission. He pushed and pushed and pushed for that money, knowing it would leave me without food money for 2 weeks, then the ordering $60 worth of fast food, was a power move, the whole point was "That's right, you're my fucking bitch". He then started doing this shit regularly, the thing is, it's hard not to just submit because not submitting, means you're dealing with a fucking manchild psychopath with a vendetta, it's often easier to just pay him than deal with the week long psychotic tantrum resisting will ensue.

The thing is as well, this guy genuinely thinks he's a great friend to me, I honestly think he may love me or something, because he's fucking obsessed. I get text messages and phone calls when I'm out relentlessly, hundreds of phone calls and text messages a day. He will call my work, try make my manager "let me off early" so I can come be with him, he will sometimes threaten suicide. Even my manager, workmates are like "What, the, fuck!?!" and he doesn't give a fucking shit that it costs me a days wage every time he does this and it makes me look like a fucking bitch having to fucking submit to the insane whims of with this person in their mid-late 20s who has the mental constitution of a fucking clingy toddler. Motherfucker literally did this one, threatening suicide and all, so I could go pick up fucking fast food for him.

Oh and that's another point, he non stop brags about how fucking "hard" he is, and all the "badass" shit he did in the past, which I assume are all lies, because my god, I've literally raised children since I grew up in a multi-generational household, and I swear, he is more thin-skinned than a fucking 5-year-old. I've known literal toddlers with more independence and self-actualisation. A lot of his behavior makes sense when you view his actions through the lens of a clingy toddler, in both self-actualisation, control of his emotions, co-dependence and understanding of morality. The thing is, this toddler is a fucking adult so has all the baggage of that. You know those UK Nonce hunting videos where it's clear all the paedos have the mental age of a 7 year old, just with adult sexual urges? That's is pretty much this guy with his self-awareness and emotions.

I legitimately think he is well beyond BPD though, there is unrelenting NPD comorbidity there as well and I genuinely think any serious psych would put him in the Secondary Psychopathy category and surprised he hasn't been diagnosed a secondary psychopath already alongside BPD diagnosis. I'm his "Best friend" and he has literally no remorse making me eat out of the fucking trash and constantly stealing from me. He does this with all his other friends as well. What's worse, he "borrowed" money from a mutual friend he knew was suicidal, then when that person sent a message "Can you please pay me back? I need to pay my rent, I will get evicted" he turned to me and said "hahaha look at this loser, wah wah i am going to be evicted wah wah, hard lesson, never give money to a hustler" this motherfucker said this to me, while he owes me $500 easily.

Could go on and on, that said, I'm almost out of this place, lease is coming to an end in the next couple weeks, and I'm on the hunt for a new place even if the rent means I can only afford baked beans.
 
A number of groups, starting with the DSM-IV, wanted BPD to not be included because they believed it was sexist since the diagnosis is about 90% women. I always thought that was interesting.

It wasn't until the last 15 years or so that BPD was considered treatable, with a specific form of therapy called DBT (and some meds can help, in a minor way). Before that, it was considered a Class X disorder, which meant "Untreatable". Many people still think it is Class X just due to the fact that it was classified as non-treatable for so long. This, unfortunately, keeps many people from getting the help they need. Many people are equally skeptical that BPD can be treated. I know for a fact it can since I knew a clinical practitioner of DBT and she saw tremendous success with her BPD patients.

My general recommendation is to stay as far away as possible from anyone with BPD that isn't under active treatment.
 
One of my exes had BPD, a friend of mine who seemingly vanished off the earth had a wife who was borderline, and a ex coworker also displayed signs of it. Unless they are going through hardcore therapy on their emotional control and thought patterns, the best thing to do is to distance yourself as far as humanly possible and avoid a zero sum scenario.
 
Manul Otocolobus said:
It wasn't until the last 15 years or so that BPD was considered treatable, with a specific form of therapy called DBT (and some meds can help, in a minor way). Before that, it was considered a Class X disorder, which meant "Untreatable". Many people still think it is Class X just due to the fact that it was classified as non-treatable for so long. This, unfortunately, keeps many people from getting the help they need. Many people are equally skeptical that BPD can be treated. I know for a fact it can since I knew a clinical practitioner of DBT and she saw tremendous success with her BPD patients.
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Does DBT actually work or does it just make the pwBPD high functioning? BPDs all seem to think they're raging successes (but that's typical with BPD, oh look I'm fine and a good person cope), but reading BPDlovedones, it seems most just seem to think it makes their partner less erratic and less emotionally unstable, while all the manipulative, amoral behavior remains. So like it just turns them from BPD into Psychopaths essentially.
I would think to really treat BPD, you first need to treat the underlying CPTSD trauma first.
 
I’ve worked as a psych tech. I’ve met many Classic Borderlines. You can see em a mile away: the hyper sexuality, the self harm, the threats, the hypochondria, the Disney tattoos, the muh ANXIETY, the <talking loudly about being raped>, etc.

There’s also “Diagnosed” Borderline - who I suspect don’t have it or if they do, a mild form. They’re usually younger (sub 25/college aged) women who are more resilient in comparison & present normally at least on the unit. Typically, they just went through a shitty break up and tried to die. Besides that incident & outside of their romantic relationship, their work/family relationships are stable. They act appropriately. I suspect the identity crisis is tied with youthfulness + unstable childhood. I’ve not encountered anyone over 25 who presents with this “quiet” borderline behavior - making me think it’s not actually borderline or that age turns quiet borderlines into somewhat functioning middle aged women hence why we don’t have any quiet BPD 30y/olds on a hold.

I would take anything on Reddit with a grain of salt. It seems like every guy I’ve talked to has a “my crazy ex with BPD!!” story, making me think they actually don’t know what they’re talking about. ((PL: Plus I’ve known at least one guy who cheated on his fiancé repeatedly & when she became angry/depressed and left him, he accused her of being BPD. This guy accuses every single girl he has dated of being abusive, tbf.))

And also, I think encouraging patients with personality disorders or substance abuse disorder to study philosophy or some moral framework in therapy would be life changing. After all BPD was known as “moral insanity.” ((And I’ve known a few ‘normal’ junkies that behaved so callously it would blow your mind. Reminds me a bit of Casey Anthony, who also had a normal psych eval.))

And lastly, I think some “quiet” borderlines would benefit from not only moral/philosophical study and mindfulness/coping skill practice - but also from being connected to community. A lot of the “quiet” borderlines that are college aged females feel lonely and isolated most often because they are lonely and isolated. Getting them connected to community & hitting that hierarchy of needs can do wonders.

My 2 cents. I was a psych tech. I got paid 10 bucks to spit bags over peoples heads, alright?

Edit: Classic Borderlines you can’t help. Idk, toss them some anti psychotics & bill their insurance because there’s very little to work with.
 
Minimal powerleveling, but I've got borderline, and truly having it can be life-ruining. It's not unbeatable though, for those of you with friends or partners with it. It's been about a decade since I first saw a psychiatrist and got diagnosed, and therapy and faith have gotten me to a point where I don't have the same kinds of "episodes" anymore. It's not something you ever completely get away from, but it can be managed and probably more easily than shit like bipolar disorder.
 
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Donker said:
Does DBT actually work or does it just make the pwBPD high functioning? BPDs all seem to think they're raging successes (but that's typical with BPD, oh look I'm fine and a good person cope), but reading BPDlovedones, it seems most just seem to think it makes their partner less erratic and less emotionally unstable, while all the manipulative, amoral behavior remains. So like it just turns them from BPD into Psychopaths essentially.
I would think to really treat BPD, you first need to treat the underlying CPTSD trauma first.
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BiggerChungus said:
Minimal powerleveling, but I've got borderline, and truly having it can be life-ruining. It's not unbeatable though, for those of you with friends or partners with it. It's been about a decade since I first saw a psychiatrist and got diagnosed, and therapy and faith have gotten me to a point where I don't have the same kinds of "episodes" anymore. It's not something you ever completely get away from, but it can be managed and probably more easily than shit like bipolar disorder.
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Here's my insight, also with minimal plvl.

A psychiatrist told me that borderline isn't diagnosed in young people. Borderline requires many years of repetitive behaviour to be classified as such. The current "catch-all" in many psychiatric areas is "Cluster B Traits", used to encompass the very wide and varied symptoms of NPD, BPD, and other such disorders, and it's "safe" to use on adolescents and young adults with a focus on treating symptoms, not the disorder.

DBT acknowledges (indirectly) that one-on-one therapy only serves the disorder and provides little progress or development. DBT focuses on teaching real lessons and giving real tools and is most effective in a group setting. Cluster B Disorders can be heavily curbed if detected before or in early adulthood (under 30), in a period before unhealthy relationship habits are formed and a foundation of reactive behaviour and mismanaged emotions become concrete. Does DBT work? In a group setting with someone who is fully willing to work to improve, yes, nearly absolutely. Relapse is dependent on the individual and their willingness to use the information and tools given to them, as with all psychiatric disorders.

The refusal to improve is for the same reasons that schizophrenics don't want help, in a way. The disorder prevents them from getting it. There is an element of shame or grandiosity that walls of the pathway of treatment, just as a schizo's paranoia would prevent them from seeing a doctor or taking meds. Some people are smart enough to pick up early on and get help and some need to be forced. The rest will suffer.

BPD is seriously fucked up in the delusions and habits it gives a person if not corrected. I also believe that current times have exacerbated the conditions under which the disorder festers and grows. With the destruction of the nuclear family, the rebuke of religion & faith, the isolation and lack of a local community, and the lack of personal development and purpose and self-discipline all make things worse. While I believe the disorder to be heavily based in physiology and neurology, there are far more instances of the disorder becoming prevalent because of a lack of the things listed. It's typical to take a long time to form a solid identity and set of values for a great many people. Life is very chaotic and ever-changing up until you reach your 30s where things begin to become more routine. The problem is people having zero guidance once they leave highschool other than a social circle that will rapidly shrink and families that are often fractured. So they grow up with no values, no relationships, no development, and don't even have a simple foundation to grow from. I notice more and more that Gen X (or whatever is 1960-1980) parents took a hands-off parenting approach after having been one of the last generations heavily subjected to the church and Western tradition as a whole. Where their parents were very strict and specific about what they wanted for them and the core family values, they have chosen to lay off completely in the same areas. (Just look at the divorce rate since that time period)

So many cases of psychiatric disorder would up and vanish if the sufferer had:
  • Improved their lifestyle with diet and exercise
  • Obtained meaningful work (no, not part-time cashier and being so fat your legs don't work is not a disability that precludes working)
  • Removed toxic influences from their life (addictions, relationships, habits)
  • Replaced those influences with a healthy community or group such as a church, skate park, weekly game night, what have you.
  • Honestly recognized there's something wrong and they need improvement
If any future Minecraft genociders are listening, weed out every single cluster B sufferer and get rid of them. Humanity will be better for it, far better off than targeting any other group. Unmanageable sufferers of Cluster B Disorders are full dead weight on humanity.
 
I’m too lazy to quote because there’s no reply button.

But I agree. I think most psychologists, therapists, and social workers are pretty dumb on their own & cant think outside the DSM to save their life.

But I have one half ass theory that “modern life” (break down of family, skewed social media, frequent moves/no roots, no church, etc) has made people with depression mimic the DSM criteria BPD.

Apparently people with shitty families, little to no friends, dead end job, little to no way to meet new people, no progression forward etc shouldn’t be so depressed like their human nature suggests - but instead should have the acceptance of a Buddhist monk.

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Here’s a made up example I pulled together: Jane grows up in a tumultuous home and moves frequently with her military family. Her parents are emotionally abusive to her and physically abusive to each other. The frequent moves prevents her from assimilating to any school- in fact she’s been to 6 different high schools due to moving & family drama. When she graduates, she goes straight into a dead end job but works only with two 60 year old ladies. She is chronically lonely, despite having a good friendship with her co-workers. She knows absolutely no one her age and isn’t religious, so no church. (Plus the local church has a very aging congregation anyway.)

She meets one guy on a dating app - there isn’t anywhere else to meet people IRL, after all. They hit it off and date for ~2 years. They break up due to him cheating. The guy has no friends either except the girl he cheated on her with. She has no one now and has lost 100% of her close relationships. Losing 1 relationship hurts, but when that relationship makes up a huge proportion or all of your close support it’s incredibly painful.

So you have: isolation + dead end job + grief of break up + unstable childhood + financial difficulties. Is it really shocking when the 20 year old decides “fuck it, life isn’t worth living”?

After getting her stomach pumped, the psych doc says she has borderline. After all, she has no friends! And is clearly overly afraid of abandonment!
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Sound far fetched? Not really.

I read somewhere that 1/4 Gen Z-ers don’t have a single confidant. And a huge chunk have never met there friends “in real life” - they’re all discord buddies.

So if having no friends is a Borderline trait, then a huge chunk of the population could fit that.

The truth is, a Classic Borderline can be spotted from a mile away. Maybe my experience has skewed my judgement, because I was in a psych ward that took in extremes. But either way, the minute these people start talking you can tell they have borderline. (Hint: they’re likely to hold hands with the schizo on the ward romantically, be incredibly inappropriate, and display aggression towards staff.)

It’s the normal, sad types that don’t make sense to me. Sure, they have no friends, their romantic relationships suck, and their self esteem is low - but their behavior is overwhelmingly typical in most situations and contexts.

To me, that’s grief, and situational/major depression.

Anyway, I expect a huge surge to continue of BPD. Because the formula is there to CREATE genuine borderlines and because the living conditions of 2022 mimic the symptoms in otherwise depressed patients.

2 cents.

Double edit:: Bianca Devins (the murder victim) most likely had borderline. She was a Classic and it’s pretty painful obvious from the chat logs. ((I just googled it & it’s confirmed. See how easy it is to spot? If you date a Classic borderline, you need to look in the mirror because you the crazy one.))
 
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Sailor Kim Jong Moon said:
The truth is, a Classic Borderline can be spotted from a mile away. Maybe my experience has skewed my judgement, because I was in a psych ward that took in extremes. But either way, the minute these people start talking you can tell they have borderline. (Hint: they’re likely to hold hands with the schizo on the ward romantically, be incredibly inappropriate, and display aggression towards staff.)

It’s the normal, sad types that don’t make sense to me. Sure, they have no friends, their romantic relationships suck, and their self esteem is low - but their behavior is overwhelmingly typical in most situations and contexts.

To me, that’s grief, and situational/major depression.

Anyway, I expect a huge surge to continue of BPD. Because the formula is there to CREATE genuine borderlines and because the living conditions of 2022 mimic the symptoms in otherwise depressed patients.
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I find there's a pretty easy way to distinguish between a "true" Cluster B personality and a person who is dysfunctional primarily from complex trauma. A borderline will exhibit antisocial behavior with absolutely everybody. Somebody with CPTSD will act in ways typical of Cluster Bs only when their historical traumas are triggered, usually from a real Narcissist or Borderline.

The APA appears to have no use for the CPTSD label, but the WHO has put it in the ICD-11. So I think you're quite right about the coming surge in BPD diagnoses, at least in the united states. We'll see a lot of BPD diagnoses for people who don't actually live their entire lives as an unstable false self and therefore don't really quality.

Here's an interesting story about a marriage to a woman who fits the Borderline criteria:

Most people's "crazy exes" aren't actually like this. They aren't literal prostitutes who lie about everything they possibly can. They're usually people who act like you might expect of a person who legitimately feels betrayed and abandoned by a loved one: traumatized.

Dyn said:
I don't know what you softboys are crying about, bpd thots make the best partners.
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Actual borderlines act an awful lot like malignant narcissists. They don't make great partners for anything, really. Now, sensitive people who exhibit some erratic behaviors from trauma can make great partners if they're in a stable situation.

Quora is chock full of information and hot takes on personality disorders. Psychologist and author Elinor Greenberg has written about them extensively both there and elsewhere.
 
also believe that current times have exacerbated the conditions under which the disorder festers and grows.
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This is something I've been thinking as well a lot recently.
When I was back in my home country, very rich, never went through austerity, very stable, everyone is pretty wealthy. I met maybe 1 or 2 BPD people. I met plenty of Bipolar people, but Cluster Bs, maybe 1 or 2 thinking back on it, and they were mild cases at best. Their biggest issue was more that they were erratic and perpetual dramacows rather than being extremely toxic.

Moved countries, to here, decades of Austerity here, it's extremely expensive to live here, everyone is struggling, everything is run down, 2 generations have largely grown up entirely under Austerity and holy shit, the amount of machiavellian, backstabbing nutcase Cluster Bs I've met here is almost more than I can count. I think they honestly sniff me the fuck out because I'm very community-minded, like talking to randoms in parks, doing community charity work etc and they see a fucking mark. I've had to wisen up a lot since moving here because honestly, thanks to Cluster Bs manipulators, scammers, schemers who pretended to be friends, I've probably lost 20k-ish in the past 2 years and I'm now in an extremely frankly, dangerous, precarious position living in a house with a fucking narcissistic BPD control freak.

My theory is that Austerity here has led to much more mental health insanity among Gen Z and Y than appeared back in my rich ass home country. If I didn't have obligations here, I would be on the first plane back lol.
 
Donker said:
This is something I've been thinking as well a lot recently.
When I was back in my home country, very rich, never went through austerity, very stable, everyone is pretty wealthy. I met maybe 1 or 2 BPD people. I met plenty of Bipolar people, but Cluster Bs, maybe 1 or 2 thinking back on it, and they were mild cases at best. Their biggest issue was more that they were erratic and perpetual dramacows rather than being extremely toxic.

Moved countries, to here, decades of Austerity here, it's extremely expensive to live here, everyone is struggling, everything is run down, 2 generations have largely grown up entirely under Austerity and holy shit, the amount of machiavellian, backstabbing nutcase Cluster Bs I've met here is almost more than I can count. I think they honestly sniff me the fuck out because I'm very community-minded, like talking to randoms in parks, doing community charity work etc and they see a fucking mark. I've had to wisen up a lot since moving here because honestly, thanks to Cluster Bs manipulators, scammers, schemers who pretended to be friends, I've probably lost 20k-ish in the past 2 years and I'm now in an extremely frankly, dangerous, precarious position living in a house with a fucking narcissistic BPD control freak.

My theory is that Austerity here has led to much more mental health insanity among Gen Z and Y than appeared back in my rich ass home country. If I didn't have obligations here, I would be on the first plane back lol.
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A lot of people who suffer from Cluster B literally can't form healthy or meaningful relationships. If you've run into Borderlines that tend to flake or move in and out of your life seemingly at random or at their convenience, it may not occur to them why this can be offensive or uncouth. When your entire childhood is spent with malformed or unhealthy relationships, you never quite learn how to connect with people. Just as you can't make someone who is illiterate read by showing them a book, you cannot teach someone who is borderline to love/have relationships (platonic or otherwise) by showing them love in kind. This is a hallmark factor in Cluster B Disorders and you'll find this issue across the board in all levels of severity. Some are just hopelessly lonely as a result, and some will fully take advantage of others with intent, but it's important to remember that this, at its core, is simply the way a Borderline sufferer's mind works.

BPD sufferers are insanely difficult to have to live with. They are just as likely to dish out the abuse as they are to claim to be victim to it and often end up in mutually abusive relationships. The mind of a BPD sufferer is in constant emotional turmoil when not treated and every event is met with reactive or explosive emotional responses, making it challenging or impossible to have constructive conversations about anything. One minute something is acceptable, the next moment it's evil. They say something is okay, and next thing you know they're making offhand comments about how stupid it is. You can never quite pin them down. The trouble is they can't pin themselves down either, and they're tailspinning just as much as they're trying to gaslight you with their comments.
 
The reason you're seeing so much of borderline-type behavior is because of broken homes and broken society. It all starts with a chaotic or insecure attachment type as an infant. Being dumped in shitty daycare from 6 weeks of age is a great set up to allow that to happen. There are also certain inborn personality types that are going to take worse to being dumped in a shitty daycare no matter what the rest of their home life is like. It's going to damage them. Career whamehns don't like hearing that but it's a very obvious truth. Sure there are plenty of kids who do wall to wall daycare and turn out fine. And there are kids raised by a SAHM who turn out miserable and shitty. But overall, close bonding with one, consistent nurturing caregiver is how humans were built to be raised. And if you deviate from that norm, you're playing with psychiatric fire.

Then every single other thing about clown world just makes it worse. The anomie and alienation. The "identity" obsessing. The forcing of sexuality on young kids. It's like they're trying to create borderlines.
 
Larry David's Opera Cape said:
The reason you're seeing so much of borderline-type behavior is because of broken homes and broken society. It all starts with a chaotic or insecure attachment type as an infant. Being dumped in shitty daycare from 6 weeks of age is a great set up to allow that to happen. There are also certain inborn personality types that are going to take worse to being dumped in a shitty daycare no matter what the rest of their home life is like. It's going to damage them. Career whamehns don't like hearing that but it's a very obvious truth. Sure there are plenty of kids who do wall to wall daycare and turn out fine. And there are kids raised by a SAHM who turn out miserable and shitty. But overall, close bonding with one, consistent nurturing caregiver is how humans were built to be raised. And if you deviate from that norm, you're playing with psychiatric fire.

Then every single other thing about clown world just makes it worse. The anomie and alienation. The "identity" obsessing. The forcing of sexuality on young kids. It's like they're trying to create borderlines.
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Great insight regarding daycare. I absolutely agree. Unfortunately, high cost of living & depressed wages means most women have little to no choice

All the working moms I’ve met feel incredibly shitty about using daycare and would rather be at home. Very, very few prefer to send their infant to daycare - that I’ve met IRL
 
Sailor Kim Jong Moon said:
Great insight regarding daycare. I absolutely agree. Unfortunately, high cost of living & depressed wages means most women have little to no choice

All the working moms I’ve met feel incredibly shitty about using daycare and would rather be at home. Very, very few prefer to send their infant to daycare - that I’ve met IRL
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It may have reached that point now. It certainly was NOT at that point in 1978, or 1991, or even 2002. But training women to put corporate wage slavery at the core of their self-worth sure helped the elites create a world where most people can't get off the crazy ride even if they want to.
 
Speakeasy Electric said:
Is Borderline Personality the only personality disorder that (tends to) get better with age?
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I don't think I've ever heard anyone say it gets better with age. Maybe the outbursts reduce and masking gets better but the underlying condition generally stays the same or worsens if not treated. A hormonal teenager showing traits of Cluster B will naturally be far more outrageous than your typical teenager, and as with all teenagers, emotions and hormones settle in early adulthood. This could be viewed as an improvement, but only in the sense that the person has matured and grown beyond emotional fits. The real troubles with BPD is the formation of healthy relationships (or at times any relationships), black-and-white views, emotions over rationality, and emotional management. I can say with certainty that untreated BPD worsens with age/time. The habits become more engrained and unbreakable; habits like manipulation, leveraging emotions, and constant catastrophization.

The underlying factor in all Cluster B Personalities is a lack of 'ego' or personal identity and a need to fill that void with something. I find Borderline to be the most difficult of all because they place all of their personal value on external factors outside of their control. If you never learn to build that sense of self and create a life that is healthy for your mind, you will continue to spiral out of control thinking that everything you're doing is just typical human behavior.

This also makes a good point for my theory that Cluster B is the main issue plaguing youth today. It is widely known that many mental health disorders have a genetic or hereditary factor but more and more there is acceptance that this is only a piece of the puzzle, and perhaps a very small one at that. Environmental factors play a massive role in mental wellbeing and development. The way society has let the internet influence youth is how we've ended up with so many people with zero sense of identity in the real world.
 
beansntoast said:
I've read that BPD is basically the same as CPTSD (complex post traumatic stress disorder), because the symptoms overlap heavily, the only difference is in in the cause:
when the pychiatrist/psychologists can't make out a trauma that causes this damage the patient gets diagnosed with BPD
when there is trauma in the patient's history, they get diagnosed with (C)PTSD

I've only ever interacted with BPD diagnosed people who had some kinda trauma (of course it's dependant on the therapist what they diagnose, after all...) and they all where more scared and meek, desperate for love/attention the trauma destroyed in them (my assumption) so this made them clingy and easy to frighten/overreactive when it comes to relationships. so from my experience there may be overlap, but yeah as said, never interacted with a no trauma BPD before.

anyone read something similiar and can add in/debunk that? (may edit when I read up on the thread)
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AnOminous said:
I've never known anyone with that diagnosis. The only people I've ever seen claiming to have it are self-diagnosed tumblrinas who got sprayed with a squirt gun or someone disagreed with them on Twitter.
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cPTSD is real, but it’s also used as a placeholder. Real cPTSD is stuff like children who have been abused for years, people living in war zones getting shelled for years, etc. becasue BPD has such a stigma attached to it and BPDd are prone to flouncing, some therapists use it as a diagnosis to bill and treat to keep someone in treatment. It’s also trendy to label yourself with. See: well, half the cows.
Daughter of Cernunnos said:
I thought it could be cured with DBT.
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It can be greatly improved by it. I’m not sure it can be cured
Kornula said:
I still do not get why the DSRM uses "borderline" personality disorder..when it's clearly not at the borderline..or near it. They totally ignore most borders and boundaries.
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It’s becasue it was seen in the borderline of psychosis and neurosis - in the Freudian sense of the definitions I think?
Larry David's Opera Cape said:
The reason you're seeing so much of borderline-type behavior is because of broken homes and broken society. It all starts with a chaotic or insecure attachment type as an infant. Being dumped in shitty daycare from 6 weeks of age
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I agree with this and it’s something I’ve thought for a long time. A six week old baby is utterly dependent on you and gets very distressed when separated from the mother. Early daycare is traumatising children and leading to big societal problems.
Speakeasy Electric said:
Is Borderline Personality the only personality disorder that (tends to) get better with age?
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I think many do. People mellow and learn coping strategies (some of them anyway.) schizophrenia can also improve with age (obv not a personality disorder.)
BPDs can be a nightmare, as can narcs. My first encounter with real narc/BPD pairs was at a job I had in the 2000s. I had to work with this woman who literally tried to take my personality, while trying to run me down at every opportunity. It was bizarre. She claimed to speak a language I do (she doesn’t.) she claimed to have the same qualifications as me. She’d wear the same clothes, then her orbiter would try to attack and get me into trouble with management. It was extremely peculiar and made me very stressed at work - I left the workplace and she followed me. She then spent the next five years (I moved towns) trying to sneak into my life in various ways. It was really awful.
Kudos to anyone who has it, has insight and does the DBT work to treat it.
 
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