UN Birmingham school LGBT row: Trial date set over protests

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A court trial will be held over whether protests can be held outside a Birmingham primary school.

Parents had been gathering at Anderton Park Primary School over concerns children were "too young" to learn about LGBT relationships.

A temporary injunction was put in place to prevent protests from being held directly outside the school.

A High Court judge ruled a trial would take place next month to decide if the injunction can remain in place.

The trial is scheduled to take place between 22 and 31 July and is expected to last two to three days.

The protests have been taking place for weeks, with parents saying they are concerned the lessons are not "age appropriate" and they contradict Islam.

The High Court injunction has been in place since 31 May, banning protests outside the school, which had to close early before half-term due to escalating action.

But protests have continued and, on Friday, parents held their first demonstration since it was brought in, where about 40 people gathered outside the exclusion zone on an area of grass about 100m from the school.

Protesters were outside the hearing held at the Priory Law Courts in Birmingham on Monday.

Lawyers for Birmingham City Council told the hearing the aim of the injunction was not to prevent people expressing their views about what children are being taught but to protect pupils, parents and staff from "unacceptable behaviour".

The courts also heard how a police investigation was still ongoing into an incident in which people who tied ribbons to the gates in support of the school and members of the LGBT community had eggs thrown at them.

But John Randall QC, representing the protesters, said there had been no arrests.

The protests, he said, had been peaceful and it would require a "snowflake sensitivity" to regard them as terrifying or threatening demonstrations.

The hearing is continuing to decide whether the injunction will remain in place until the trial.

On Sunday, it emerged Roger Godsiff, the MP for Hall Green, which covers Anderton Park school, will be spoken to by the Labour Party's chief whip after he told campaigners protesting against the lessons "you're right".

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Go against Islam.
Or
Go against the gays.

I don't envy their choice.

Although something tells me the Muslims will win this one. That's cause the gays don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose. Islamists are known to do that.
 
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How the hell is teaching children about LGBT+ relationships, 'age inappropriate'? What is so inherently wrong about telling kids that it's ok to love someone who happens to be the same gender as you? If anybody is being a 'sensitive snowflake' in this situation, it's these protesters.
 
When you wanna SJW really hard but your opponent has the Islam card. 🥺

Oh well

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How the hell is teaching children about LGBT+ relationships, 'age inappropriate'? What is so inherently wrong about telling kids that it's ok to love someone who happens to be the same gender as you? If anybody is being a 'sensitive snowflake' in this situation, it's these protesters.
Liberal crap like is very personal to people. People have their reasons to find sexual degeneracy as evil. It's their right. Would you like it if I passed a law that said your kids had to be taught my way of thinking was the only right way 100% of the time, with no counter balance and you could be punished for not sending your kids to my indoctrination center? That's what these people are facing. It's literally a situation of people having their personal beliefs undermined by a state that says they have no right to exist.
 
How the hell is teaching children about LGBT+ relationships, 'age inappropriate'? What is so inherently wrong about telling kids that it's ok to love someone who happens to be the same gender as you? If anybody is being a 'sensitive snowflake' in this situation, it's these protesters.

Except that's not what the lessons are about.

At least in my country.
 
How the hell is teaching children about LGBT+ relationships, 'age inappropriate'? What is so inherently wrong about telling kids that it's ok to love someone who happens to be the same gender as you? If anybody is being a 'sensitive snowflake' in this situation, it's these protesters.
Personally while I don't want transtrenders teaching kindergartners how butt plugs work, I think it's important to teach kids that some people are gay and destigmatize it so they don't grow up ignorant or thinking that gays are some weird other.

But the Koran doesn't like it and since we're a c-hair away from seeing Islam enshrined as Europe's official state religion, there's a conflict of interests. If you want your cause protected you can't be seen offending brown people because the paper bag test takes priority.
 
Parents should be the ones who have the final word in what the kid learns at school, until the kid is old enough to make those decisions for them self.
It’s not the states job to force a kid to learn anything, it’s the parents responsibility to guide the kids education.
Frankly, I learned math much better at home, playing backgammon with Dad, than I ever did at school. School is basically a factory combined with daycare, and it’s not healthy for anyone involved.
 
Parents should be the ones who have the final word in what the kid learns at school, until the kid is old enough to make those decisions for them self.
It’s not the states job to force a kid to learn anything, it’s the parents responsibility to guide the kids education.
Frankly, I learned math much better at home, playing backgammon with Dad, than I ever did at school. School is basically a factory combined with daycare, and it’s not healthy for anyone involved.

You got good parents. But school should get everybody a "failsafe" education, not only to make kids know what is an integral and other useless stuff, but how to function in a society. For example, they should know it's not ok to have a genital mutilation at home and know they can be free of such bullshit.
 
Go against Islam.
Or
Go against the gays.

I don't envy them their choice.

Although something tells me the Muslims will win this one. That's cause the gays don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose. Islamists are known to do that.
Muslims have been the priority for Labour for a while, you have outspoken feminists in the party who’ll suddenly be okay with gender segregation during speeches for the party when it’s in a predominantly Muslim area for example.

Voting intention poll from the 2017 elections:
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You got good parents. But school should get everybody a "failsafe" education, not only to make kids know what is an integral and other useless stuff, but how to function in a society. For example, they should know it's not ok to have a genital mutilation at home and know they can be free of such bullshit.
Of course. But my point is that forcing the issue is not good in the long run.
Teaching kids the dangers and signs of abuse is something that should be mandatory in public schools, but beyond that I’d rather not force the kids to be involved in something against the parents wish’s.
The way I would like it to work is, the parent doesn’t want a kid to learn, say, sex ed, the school should hold a meeting with the parent and they have an honest conversation as to why. The school tries to convince the parent it’s a good idea to teach the kid that. If the parent is convinced, the kid can go, if not, they don’t. But the school should not force the kid to go against the parents wish’s.
And I would also give the kid full control as to classes they take at age 15-16, around there. Any input the parents have would be purely on a personal level, and the school would still hold one on one meetings with the parent and now kid if they don’t want to take a class.
It might just be me personally, but I generally opt for less state involvement in personal lives where possible, unless it’s a case of abuse or neglect and all that.
 
What is so inherently wrong about telling kids that it's ok to love someone who happens to be the same gender as you?
Everything...

I'm just kidding. Here's the real answer; people (I'm not including the Muslims protesting, I'll get onto them in a minute) just believe that there is zero need to teach children about any kind of relationship (homosexual or heterosexual) at such a young age because
1) five year olds aren't going to get into relationships. Boys still believe that girls have cooties at that age.
2) the majority of people grow up being okay with same-sex relationships (I was okay with same-sex relationships when I found out that I had relatives who are gay at ta young age without anyone telling me it's okay and I'm sure most people are okay with same-sex relationships when they found out that was a thing).

Most people don't have a problem with same-sex relationships or transgenders being taught in a high school setting during sex education (which everyone receives in high school) but five year olds don't really need to learn about any of that yet since they're five and only really care about about whether they can have an extra 10 minutes on their consoles or not. If a student has gay parents then I'm sure the teacher will have a quick word with the students along the lines off "sometimes people of the same gender love each other" and leave it at that so they understand about their school friend's situation with their parents.

As for the muslim side of things; most muslims in the UK have failed to integrate with British society. The majority of Muslims in the UK still believe that homosexuality should be outlawed (I believe it was almost 70% in one survey). Most British muslims will always get up in arms about gays but gays won't fight back because they're scared of appearing Islamphobic.
 
Liberal crap like is very personal to people. People have their reasons to find sexual degeneracy as evil. It's their right. Would you like it if I passed a law that said your kids had to be taught my way of thinking was the only right way 100% of the time, with no counter balance and you could be punished for not sending your kids to my indoctrination center? That's what these people are facing. It's literally a situation of people having their personal beliefs undermined by a state that says they have no right to exist.
Lol! Because kids are never taught that being gay is evil anywhere. Right..
 
Liberal crap like is very personal to people. People have their reasons to find sexual degeneracy as evil. It's their right. Would you like it if I passed a law that said your kids had to be taught my way of thinking was the only right way 100% of the time, with no counter balance and you could be punished for not sending your kids to my indoctrination center? That's what these people are facing. It's literally a situation of people having their personal beliefs undermined by a state that says they have no right to exist.
Teaching children tolerance = indoctrination apparently. Ok then.

Except that's not what the lessons are about.

At least in my country.
What are they about then? Would you care to elaborate, friend?

Personally while I don't want transtrenders teaching kindergartners how butt plugs work, I think it's important to teach kids that some people are gay and destigmatize it so they don't grow up ignorant or thinking that gays are some weird other.

But the Koran doesn't like it and since we're a c-hair away from seeing Islam enshrined as Europe's official state religion, there's a conflict of interests. If you want your cause protected you can't be seen offending brown people because the paper bag test takes priority.
While I highly doubt that children are being taught about the usage of sex toys, I agree with you that it is important to destigmatize homosexuality at a young age. I'm glad we are on the same page there.

Everything...

I'm just kidding. Here's the real answer; people (I'm not including the Muslims protesting, I'll get onto them in a minute) just believe that there is zero need to teach children about any kind of relationship (homosexual or heterosexual) at such a young age because
1) five year olds aren't going to get into relationships. Boys still believe that girls have cooties at that age.
2) the majority of people grow up being okay with same-sex relationships (I was okay with same-sex relationships when I found out that I had relatives who are gay at ta young age without anyone telling me it's okay and I'm sure most people are okay with same-sex relationships when they found out that was a thing).

Most people don't have a problem with same-sex relationships or transgenders being taught in a high school setting during sex education (which everyone receives in high school) but five year olds don't really need to learn about any of that yet since they're five and only really care about about whether they can have an extra 10 minutes on their consoles or not. If a student has gay parents then I'm sure the teacher will have a quick word with the students along the lines off "sometimes people of the same gender love each other" and leave it at that so they understand about their school friend's situation with their parents.

As for the muslim side of things; most muslims in the UK have failed to integrate with British society. The majority of Muslims in the UK still believe that homosexuality should be outlawed (I believe it was almost 70% in one survey). Most British muslims will always get up in arms about gays but gays won't fight back because they're scared of appearing Islamphobic.
I agree with you that younger children are usually uninterested in relationships beyond friendship at that age (I remember thinking boys all had cooties and such back then), but I still believe it is important to destigmatize LGBT+ relationships, as Alec said. I think in this situation, a full-blown unit on homosexuality probably isn't needed, but rather a brief presentation on the matter would suffice.
 
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