Bikini Armor Battle Damage - Hypocrites and Sexy Art

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When was the last time a mainstream title had the woman's pubic hair falling out.

Also lmao at the "it's good design" coming from the girl with a tranny fetish. You don't whine about how terrible skin is only to start fingerings yourself silly when it's shown on someone you want to bone.
 
"This is unironically great character and costume design and it only proves how much we’re losing by not making sexy male outfits an acceptable norm in fiction"

Source???? Source, please? The last time I checked sexy male outfits are all the rage with teenagers and older women. Where did this come from? Does this person really think males aren't and can't be sexualized?

I'll state this here, but men aren't dressed the same as women in sexy clothes because it's not attractive to a general audience. That's literally it. It's the reason why you typically won't see a guy in a thong compared to seeing a model with some weird boob piece. Different demographics like different things. Many women are going to find a hot, shirtless guy more attractive then they are if they were wearing a 2-piece bikini. Why? Because the male form is flat while with women you generally have to work a bit more to find something more fitting because of having a chest and wider hips. In fact, I remember talking to my art friends about this, and they mentioned how drawing guys were harder for them, because it was easy to make them look plain. And for women, it was a bit harder to draw them in some cases because they knew certain elements wouldn't look right on a woman.

"Now imagine the world in which we didn’t default to having most female fantasy characters wear something like that, and in which the hero’s personality and history, regardless of gender, dictated what clothes designers gave them."

It's so ironic these people willingly LIE to themselves to create a narrative. Shantae, Bayonetta, 2B, Princess Zelda, Lara Croft, etc. All of these are supposed sexy women that these people shit upon, but you want to know what else they have? Character. Personality, Charm, Backstories that people will remember because they connect REGARDLESS of what they wear. People will always remember a character like Bayonetta over generic "SJW" character because the creators were not afraid to give them a personality. Now does every character need to have DDs and a thong? No. Can I admit pointless fanservice can be annoying? Yes. Absolutely.

But the point I'm trying to make is that these people, at the end of the day are hypocrites. They look at the characters all at a surface level and even if you explain how it make sense for their clothes or their personality, they will never listen. You can not win with these people and I don't know why companies continue to try to submit to their demands.
 
Nor do they get that men and women's bodies are in general built differently. So what works on a woman will look silly on a man.
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
Today we see their attempt at making sexy male clothes and while the middle one is the best, someone should tell them that massive pubes coming out of someone's pants isn't sexy. And the other one would look better on a girl.
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Yet another instance of "why isn't my yaoi/crosssdressing kink mainstream."

I also can't help but notice whenever they're asked about the male fan-service characters the excuse they tend to use right after "it doesn't count because power fantasy" is that the men's costumes are by default unisex so the female characters can't look stupid, but they seem to forget if you were to apply this fan-service fairly, a lot of female characters would just be completely topless.
 
This is how you do an attractive male right
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Tanti-Fanti said:
It's so ironic these people willingly LIE to themselves to create a narrative. Shantae, Bayonetta, 2B, Princess Zelda, Lara Croft, etc. All of these are supposed sexy women that these people shit upon, but you want to know what else they have? Character. Personality, Charm, Backstories that people will remember because they connect REGARDLESS of what they wear. People will always remember a character like Bayonetta over generic "SJW" character because the creators were not afraid to give them a personality. Now does every character need to have DDs and a thong? No. Can I admit pointless fanservice can be annoying? Yes. Absolutely.
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The thing is they are singling out characters that are sexy and have personality. Not simply characters that have personality. Take Ellie for example, she's what a young teenager and is cosplayed often and wears regular clothes, because it makes sense within that universe. The fact many characters like that exist are ignored. They want to be outraged at things that are considered popular due to characterization AND are notice-ably sexual.

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The funny thing is, is that men will take characters that are popular for their characterization and sexualize them anyway.
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If you even go and look at Mei from Overwatch, she is wearing a giant fur coat, she has no skin showing. Her figure is almost completely obscured. She's the perfect BABD girl. But that doesn't stop people.

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At the root of things it seems like a hatred of sexuality, specifically males attraction to the female form. So it must be covered, be obscured. These women must be "fixed". Like they are the Islamic Council of Women in Media or something.
 
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TurnTheFreakingFrogsGay said:
It's impossible to deny that some characters are designed to look sexy. But what's wrong with that? What's the point of erasing sexuality and saying eroticism is bad?
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Sexuality and any sexual interest in a woman + man = bad. Even if a guy doesn't want care about sexy women, all men are sexist by default

Sexuality and any sexual interest in a man + woman = good and pure, even when it's clearly fetishism, it's perfectly okay when THEY do it.
 
After reading through this whole thread, a few quick thoughts:

1) BABD has a point but they make it poorly. Yes, male artists constantly sexualize women. The point isn’t “skin is bad”, the point is “hey, is there any autonomy involved in this, like, at all?”. Though it’s amusing knowing BABD’s sexy men and things like magicmeatweek are definitely, absolutely satire and no one is making those designs with legitimate sexual intent, but some of you guys still fall for it. Cheers.

2) Shirtless men is considered a power fantasy, not objectification. If someone sees a shirtless man, they think “oh he’s strong”. Whereas seeing boobs has... very little to do with strength.

3) BABD does a horrible job of differentiating between objectification and the “empowerment” they want, and often share female characters created by female artists. By their standards, it’s empowerment if a betitted person creates a titty armor design. Therefore they should shut the fuck up when it happens. Eroticism isn’t always bad and evil.

4) Some of these a) are art theft and b) take the redesign much further than just “fixing the clothes”. If you want a blog dedicated to turning nonfunctional armor functional, then why stray so far from that goal? Nobody would have cared if BABD kept it about the actual functionality of these outfits in a fight, which is an ok point, but then sharing that shirtless female Conan went against pretty much everything they supposedly stand for. She’s a walking pincushion.
 
Number 2 comes up often but it is still a shitty argument. There's a ton of media, even written, that uses shirtless, muscular hunks as a selling point for women and/or gay dudes.

Incidentally, the claim their "meat week", etc, is ironic falls a little flat when they've previously made trans women identifiable by cod pieces and noticeable crotch bulges. They can't hide behind a veil of sarcasm when it's been used with sincere, actual intent.
 
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just another PMD-E member said:
2) Shirtless men is considered a power fantasy, not objectification. If someone sees a shirtless man, they think “oh he’s strong”. Whereas seeing boobs has... very little to do with strength.
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Showing skin--or more specifically, showing one's physique--absolutely conveys power regardless of the character's sex. There is nothing more powerful than youth and good health. On top of that, the confidence associated with bearing one's physique also conveys power.

Believe it or not, men can tell the difference between a confident and powerful woman, and a woman who hides her insecurities behind fancy clothing and a cunty attitude.
 
Catgirl IRL said:
Number 2 comes up often but it is still a shitty argument. There's a ton of media, even written, that uses shirtless, muscular hunks as a selling point for women and/or gay dudes.

Incidentally, the claim their "meat week", etc, is ironic falls a little flat when they've previously made trans women identifiable by cod pieces and noticeable crotch bulges. They can't hide behind a veil of sarcasm when it's been used with sincere, actual intent.
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Oh, “magic meat week” is a satire event for fantasy artists where they draw men in bikinis and bad armor. (Edit: it’s not run by BABD but they do participate, since it’s “relevant”)

Big fucking yikes though if it’s being used against trans women
 
Doesn't arguing shirtless men are a "power fantasy" assume the person you're talking to is a man and they're self-inserting as the character? Besides that, I would imagine women in general are attracted to strong anatomically correct men as opposed to.....idk, shirtless Chris-Chan.

Maybe if it's some shirtless guy with no personality drawn by Rob Liefield then it could very well be a power fantasy but I think assuming people only view media for self-insertion to be a flawed assumption people seem to have.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Showing skin--or more specifically, showing one's physique--absolutely conveys power regardless of the character's sex. There is nothing more powerful than youth and good health. On top of that, the confidence associated with bearing one's physique also conveys power.

Believe it or not, men can tell the difference between a confident and powerful woman, and a woman who hides her insecurities behind fancy clothing and a cunty attitude.
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Explains Gothic Lolita comm

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