💰 Grifter Ben Shapiro / The Daily Wire - Commentator, Lawyer, Writer, WAP Sommelier, Vanquisher of SJWs, Podcast Host, Mara Wilson's cousin

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verissimus said:
I already watched that video and it didn't pin point the date the conversation happened. For all I know it could have been hours after he told them he didn't want to sign. The only thing that seems certain is that it was a separate conversation.
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Fair enough. Although I don't think recording the convo and releasing edited version is the right move here. DW is not the enemy here. They have a business model that depend on reaching as many people as possible to sell ads + subs. They're forced to follow Apple and YT guidelines just like everyone else, including Crowder.

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Hindsight is 20/20. Personally I have nothing against those who took the vax and advocated doing so. It was the responsible thing to do based on the most trusted sources at the time. As the days went we found out new info that contradicts the previous claims about vax effectiveness, COVID mortality, transmission rate and we changed course.


On the other hand, government officials, social media censors, big pharma, and people who cheered for forced vax rules deserve no mercy. AFAIK, Ben wasn't doing any of that.
 
Ben Shapiro has never actually worked in his life and basically was given a job by his mensch of an uncle. Crowder seems to be a faggot who did the acting to political commentator thing, but seems to actually have climbed the ladder.

They're both faggots, but I can at least respect Crowder for not being a manlet.

EDIT: Crowder is actually born in the USA. His mom was one of those people who live close to the border and gave birth in Detroit to ensure that her children could run away to the US when Canada became hyper-gay.
 
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
They're both faggots, but I can at least respect Crowder for not being a manlet.
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Last time I checked Ben doesn't constantly dress up in drag and pretend to be a woman to "own the libs". I'm actually starting to think Crowder is an actual faggot hiding behind irony.
 
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
They're both faggots, but I can at least respect Crowder for not being a manlet.
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What's up with manlets and political autism? It's bad enough that modern communists are dominated by the morbidly obese that love to buy Disney toys and modern-day fascists dominated by the mixed race. But why do both seem to be led by the manlet?

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I'm going to side with the Daily Wire on this one after seeing the video Crowder put out with the audio recordings.

The DW is a bunch of Jews, but listen to what Crowder said, he's talking about business and how they need to make a model that works without youtube, and then just throws out "When you give you charity, it's not business as usual, now is it?" which is retarded to bring up in a conversation about money. You are not a charity if you're negotiating a contract, and if you want to be a charity, then start one. Though anyone who has to bring up charity to justify their pay is wrong.

The other thing about the contract is that Crowder mentions it's ok to make less money, well guess what, they gave you that option, that you can lose youtube monetization but it will be at your expense, not the DW's expense. That sucks, but if you expect to lose youtube monetization and base your business model on a subscription service, don't just tell them to change their whole business, make a counter offer that lays out your business plan and how your pay structure should be based around that.

Finally, he mentions the ownership of content in perpetuity. This one is a bit more shaky, but the explanation Jeremy gave was that it applies to things they make as a joint venture, such as a movie like "What is a Woman" and not all content made. Though really this isn't unique to the DW, this is standard practice for most companies whether they're media or tech, as anything you make on company time and using company resources belongs to the company. I'm not saying that's right, but it's something you should be aware of and if you plan to make things consider where and how, and who will own them.

To me it just seems like Crowder is picking fights over things that while annoying and jewy, could have been resolved.
 
Mr Bubbless said:
Last time I checked Ben doesn't constantly dress up in drag and pretend to be a woman to "own the libs". I'm actually starting to think Crowder is an actual faggot hiding behind irony.
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He's trying to take back crossdressing as a form of comedy. I actually find it funny because some tranny somewhere is seething about it and how he passes better then them.
Battlefield2142EU said:
What's up with manlets and political autism? It's bad enough that modern communists are dominated by the morbidly obese that love to buy Disney toys and modern-day fascists dominated by the mixed race. But why do both seem to be led by the manlet?

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They want to stand over everyone after a life time of being stood over. I think Hitler was actually pretty average for Germany in that time frame, although Prussia literally had a Giant Army so he might've sat next to some giant kid at Gymnaisum and looked like even more of a manlet.
 
If what Candace said was true and they had this negotiation months ago I think it torpedoes Crowder's argument and supposed motives, assuming you were still on his side even after he recorded the phone call.

I know that Ben and Jeremy are kikes so everything they do is le wrong, but come on.
 
One of the few things I know about Crowder is that he gets suspended/banned from Youtube every now and again, every time making a big stink about it.

To offer him a contract with a clause saying that if he gets banned he gets punished for it seems extremely dumb. Either they fucked up and this is a boilerplate or they're deliberately trying to bring him into being controlled opposition and/or jew him. Neither option is great optics for DW.
 
MugolEx said:
To my understanding, Steven Crowder is upset that the deal is so shitty in the first place and is completely miffed at the reasoning behind it. They want Steven to adhere to YouTube's guidelines well knowing how JewTube's guidelines operate and will heavily penalize him for getting demonetized\striked\boycotted\or banned. Steven's entire channel has been demonetized for years. This is why that $50 million dollar contract is so suspect. They will likely penalize him immediately for 25% for already having a demonetized channel. This sort of thing would encourage YouTube or any media platform he is apart of to go hard on Steven because they are given a wide opening to hurt him bad without recourse. Getting banned or getting advertisers pulled because of angry troons means more of a percentage taken away. The Daily Wire, with their contract, is actively encouraging this shit to happen. If he does follow the guidelines, his show wouldn't be worth watching in the first place which seems to be the goal for the Daily wire. Either he submits and people stop watching or, he is crushed by the mob. On top of that, they want to control all his social media accounts. It can be assumed that the Daily Wire has no intentions of actually paying out and just want lure him in so they can curb another outspoken non-schizo conservative.

It's all so obvious that this is controlled opposition but, Crowder isn't at that point of thinking yet which is why he seems so disillusioned. He doesn't understand why a conservative news outlet like the Daily Wire shows no solidarity with conservatives when solidarity is the biggest short coming for conservatives. It's the same sort of weakness and rationale you see with the GOPe. It's clear there not winning but they keep backing down to the left at every turn.
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I don't think any of the details of the contract seem out of the ordinary. If I look at this from a business point of view DW's contract makes total sense.
The only way I this looks bad for DW is if you take every party and action in this whole debacle and treat every move as a personal attack and every posture as picking sides. The reality of the world is that not everything can be idealistic and pure emotion. From your description it sounds like Crowder had an option of selling out, or not. He can just cut all ties with DW if he feels so offended. The answer is simple, just don't sell out and do your own stuff. I don't understand the point of bringing all this dirt out in the open unless its just to get clicks.
 
Retink Retunk said:
I'm going to side with the Daily Wire on this one after seeing the video Crowder put out with the audio recordings.

The DW is a bunch of Jews, but listen to what Crowder said, he's talking about business and how they need to make a model that works without youtube, and then just throws out "When you give you charity, it's not business as usual, now is it?" which is retarded to bring up in a conversation about money. You are not a charity if you're negotiating a contract, and if you want to be a charity, then start one. Though anyone who has to bring up charity to justify their pay is wrong.
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The quote was "it's just business." As in, no one says "it's not personal, it's just business" when they're doing something they are proud of. It's always just a way to gesture toward the need to make money canceling out all other concerns. Which is fine, but Crowder thinks there's an opportunity there to put their money where their mouth is in terms of finding a way to do business that cuts the content platforms out of the decisionmaking process. He probably just thought DW was already "there" in relying on their own infrastructure and was surprised they are still that concerned over demonetization when complaining about it fuels a LOT of conservative media. He's right that there's an incongruency there. Maybe DW does have a long-term plan to deal with it, but it's worth bringing up, and defaulting to "this is just how business works" can limit your growth if you're not willing to think of other alternatives.

That sucks, but if you expect to lose youtube monetization and base your business model on a subscription service, don't just tell them to change their whole business, make a counter offer that lays out your business plan and how your pay structure should be based around that.
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It kind of sounded like he DID do that, though. He mentioned trying to scale the way he has run his own show for smaller creators by giving them the space to not have to worry about draconian policies from YouTube. He wants to create a similar environment to the one he was able to capitalize on early on. But now, he's saying there's less opportunity for new voices to get started because of how left-leaning the rules are, so uncoupling from YT's stricter policies is a way to invite more talent in the long run. It's a fair point and one I hope DW actually takes into consideration.
 
Why does seem like most, if not all, of the conservative/right-leaning personalities appear to be more of controlled opposition or grifters, whether they appeal to boomers (Hannity and Levin) or Millennials (Shapiro and Crowder)?

Even Mark Dice, who claims to have no dog in this fight, doesn't feel genuine since he hasn't been removed from YouTube despite coming off as a Alex Jones knockoff.

 
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The Nothingness said:
Why does seem like most, if not all, of the conservative/right-leaning personalities appear to be more of controlled opposition or grifters, whether they appeal to boomers (Hannity and Levin) or Millennials (Shapiro and Crowder)? Even Mark Dice, who claims to have no dog in this fight, doesn't feel genuine since he hasn't been removed from YouTube despite coming off as Alex Jones knockoff.

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The Ron Paul Liberty Report never lets you down.
 
BREAKING! Real culprit outed themselves:

Jokes aside, interested to see opinions of fellow farmers on the matter. I think that for all his flaws, Crowder did the right thing. He interpreted DW's offer correctly - they talk about "fighting the fight", but at the end of the day they'll compromise their supposed beliefs to retain access to mainstream platforms to ensure that revenue keeps flowing and growing, and under their contract you'll compromise too, or else. Because said platforms belong to big tech that hates everything they purport to stand for, and DW is at their mercy.
They're clearly compromised, which explains a lot of the odd shit I've noticed when I was still watching them, like Ben Shapiro shilling vaccines and refusing to cover fuckery on elections.
Pretty sure this is what one would call "controlled opposition".
 
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Astro Galactic Megalul said:
BREAKING! Real culprit outed themselves:
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Jokes aside, interested to see opinions of fellow farmers on the matter. I think that for all his flaws, Crowder did the right thing. He interpreted DW's offer correctly - they talk about "fighting the fight", but at the end of the day they'll compromise their supposed beliefs to retain access to mainstream platforms to ensure that revenue keeps flowing and growing, and under their contract you'll compromise too, or else. Because said platforms belong to big tech that hates everything they purport to stand for, and DW is at their mercy.
They're clearly compromised, which explains a lot of the odd shit I've noticed when I was still watching them, like Ben Shapiro shilling vaccines and refusing to cover fuckery on elections.
Pretty sure this is what one would call "controlled opposition".
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I think knowing the exact timeline would clear a lot of doubts in here because according to Candace, Crowder came back to the table to negotiate more money?

I will say that adding that "demonetized" section specifically for something they offered Crowder was a gigantically stupid mistake, and should've been dealt with. Also, calling young talent wageslaves is NOT a good thing to do, even in the privacy of a phone call with a "friend" so I'm glad Crowder aired it. I am mostly on Crowder's side, but I still think something doesn't really add up.
 
huecoffs02 said:
I think knowing the exact timeline would clear a lot of doubts in here because according to Candace, Crowder came back to the table to negotiate more money?

I will say that adding that "demonetized" section specifically for something they offered Crowder was a gigantically stupid mistake, and should've been dealt with. Also, calling young talent wageslaves is NOT a good thing to do, even in the privacy of a phone call with a "friend" so I'm glad Crowder aired it. I am mostly on Crowder's side, but I still think something doesn't really add up.
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From what I understand, they approached him as soon as they found out he was going to be available (like a month ago at most from what I understand, which is when Crowder announced his departure from Blaze). They talked to his agent, who straight up came out and said what would be the bare minimum to get the ball rolling. DW came out with an offer that they thought was reasonable, lowballing him from the get go with all these iffy conditions on top.
I heard that Mug Club had many as 300k subs (and growing), that's $100 yearly sub, or $75 with a discount. This is not even counting merch. They wanted to buy all that for ~$50mil, while essentially building price reduction into the contract?

One thing worth mentioning is just like with Mug Club and Blaze where he didn't get to keep email list for subscribers, pretty much the same thing would've happened after contract with DW expired, he wouldn't be able to just take the audience he built up in that period with him. If he accepted contract as it was, that is.
So they approached him with this shit, fully knowing that he's in precarious position having to rebuild his monetization after leaving Blaze. If that's how they treat friends, what about everyone else?
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Wow, he's stacked that bullshit nice and high. "It's not about money", yet the whole recording is him talking about money and changing the business model. The cherry on top is Jordan Peterson changing the country before benzos burned his brain, and calling Ben Shapiro "the smartest guy I know". Yet those two chucklefucks fell into the same trap.
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Money is obviously needed to sustain the operation. The problem is whether money should take priority over the cause. Crowder seems willing to make less but be able to speak without having to compromise himself (which is what his style of monetization is all about), DW is clearly not, which is what their proposal made him realize. For them profit takes precedence, and they make emphasis on retaining monetization on the mainstream platforms, which means abiding by ToS, which means being inoffensive, which means toeing the line and playing ball with Susan Wojcicki's of this world.
That's the point of contention here.
 
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Retink Retunk said:
I'm going to side with the Daily Wire on this one after seeing the video Crowder put out with the audio recordings.
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Retink Retunk said:
To me it just seems like Crowder is picking fights over things that while annoying and jewy, could have been resolved.
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Don’t forget Crowder sat on the term sheet for four months, tricked Boreing into a recorded call, and THEN commenced this faggotry.

He’s gayopping. I don’t know if it’s just the cocaine’s fault
 
Yeah the $50 million/4years thing keeps being thrown around but that's for his entire operation to pay for crew and sets, etc. And what I find weird is DW people are banging their drums about "how could a friend do this?" when if you were a friend, why is your contract/offer so shit? You didn't even remove the contract part about demonetized on Youtube when a friend would know that Crowder is permanently demonetized? For being such a bandwagon hopper that he had to steal the god emperor meme to be the "god king," Boering can't even pretend to do bare minimum friendship bullshit.

Rekieta made a point that the reason Candox Owens is so pissed is because she signed the shit contract and is lashing out that she got got.

Never forget, lil' Ben also stabbed his friends at Breitbart in the back in '16 because of the Michelle Fields lie, and that was the entire reasons Daily Wire was founded, in order to counter the "extreme" Breitbart. What's sad is how even faggots like Thernovich, who Shapiro threw under the bus, are defending him and DW right now for a chance at getting some grift money.

 
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