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[Medicated]

I think its odd that they keep on going with this narrative of acting like "we are the first people to introduce women and black character to videogames! We are the future!".

It's like they've never played a videogame in their life. Videogames have had female characters as far back as you could discern they weren't an amorphous blob.

off the top of my head you had Star and Fan in 1985



Samus Aran in 1986



Tyris Flare in 1989

Chun Li in 1991

Mai Shiranu, King and Yuri Sakazaki in 1992

And this is is without going looking for all the random female characters in other long forgotten arcade, console, and home computer games. I just don't get it, they aren't revolutionizing the industry in any way. Diversity was in videogames long before they thought of it. And ironically most it came from Japan.

 

[c-no]

lol i was waiting for this, like clockwork.

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So asking for historical accuracy like having the Night Witches rather than a Britbong hook hand lady would be muhsoggyknees then?

As for some tweets on Twitter to note what ever tism can come from this:

Spoiler

Also just to say, if one wants tism from those that would REEEEE over the game having a woman on the cover, just look into the Shitty Gamer Takes account, you'll find some tism in there, either from tweets responding and/or from the pics themselves.

 

[GreenJacket]

I think someone on /v/ mentioned this, but one of the problems with this diversity shtick is that they are doing it all wrong. There were many not white males involved in the war: Navajo code talkers, Islamic SS divisions, soldiers from the British Raj, and anywhere in the Pacific Theatre (Why do I get the suspicion that this game will include neither the Pacific nor the North African Theatres?). The problem lies in the fact that you didn't have mixed units like this all dressed up as God of Rambo OCs. The biggest issue is that it seems to ignore actual achievements by these people for the sake of cheap diversity.

 

[Medicated]

I think someone on /v/ mentioned this, but one of the problems with this diversity shtick is that they are doing it all wrong. There were many not white males involved in the war: Navajo code talkers, Islamic SS divisions, soldiers from the British Raj, and anywhere in the Pacific Theatre (Why do I get the suspicion that this game will include neither the Pacific nor the North African Theatres?). The problem lies in the fact that you didn't have mixed units like this all dressed up as God of Rambo OCs. The biggest issue is that it seems to ignore actual achievements by these people for the sake of cheap diversity.

It goes the same way in the actual industry and community too though. We have your Anita's and Zoe Quinns. Everyone knows them, before them their must've been no women in videogames right?

But most people don't know these women.

Carol Shaw creator of River Raid

Jane Jensen Game designer of Gabriel Knight

Soreya Saga Game Illustrator

Holly Liu Founder of Kabam

Tanukana, one of the top Tekken players in the world.

And we aren't scratching the surface of the number of women not in promoted public positions, who quietly work away on the games they love without wanting to be thrust forward as some "example of all women"

Why do they need to bring up these PR people as the face of women in games when you already have perfectly capable women in games?

 

[Fagnacious D]

That was part of Hitler's plan the whole time.

 

[Vault Boy]

(Why do I get the suspicion that this game will include neither the Pacific nor the North African Theatres?)

They said that the game will depict the North Africa theatre, so there's that. As for the Pacific, I'm thinking DLC.

 

[c-no]

I think someone on /v/ mentioned this, but one of the problems with this diversity shtick is that they are doing it all wrong. There were many not white males involved in the war: Navajo code talkers, Islamic SS divisions, soldiers from the British Raj, and anywhere in the Pacific Theatre (Why do I get the suspicion that this game will include neither the Pacific nor the North African Theatres?). The problem lies in the fact that you didn't have mixed units like this all dressed up as God of Rambo OCs. The biggest issue is that it seems to ignore actual achievements by these people for the sake of cheap diversity.

And while one can make a complaint like this that isn't spergy like other tards, INB4 some journalist or spergy Twitter account think this is just shitty gamer muhsoggknees.

 

[Red Hood]

It goes the same way in the actual industry and community too though. We have your Anita's and Zoe Quinns. Everyone knows them, before them their must've been no women in videogames right?

But most people don't know these women.

Carol Shaw creator of River Raid
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Jane Jensen Game designer of Gabriel Knight
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Soreya Saga Game Illustrator
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Holly Liu Founder of Kabam
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Tanukana, one of the top Tekken players in the world.
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And we aren't scratching the surface of the number of women not in promoted public positions, who quietly work away on the games they love without wanting to be thrust forward as some "example of all women"

Why do they need to bring up these PR people as the face of women in games when you already have perfectly capable women in games?

Not to mention Jane Jensen's employer at Sierra, Roberta Williams. Probably tied with Lord British for the first game designer to slap their name on a product, and Roberta is far less autistic than Garriot.

 

[Medicated]

Sounds to me like they just had a bunch of marketing heads and executives decide what the game was going to have in it, but since they were using the Battlefield name, they still had to have a vague WW2 "feel".

 

[Eliza Cassan]

No one had an issue with Commander Shepard, Aloy, Aya Brea, Lara Croft, all women with combat roles, because they fit into their setting. That person in the trailer being a woman is not the issue.

I don't think the backlash would be this large if not for the last scene - the club and the prosthetic hand is really jarring, an unholy combination of Battlefield meets MGSV and TWD . If they left her existence like in the beginning where she was part of the squad, and not put it centerpiece, it would have been better.

The whole thing would be probably loved to pieces if this was some alt-universe war story without the Battlefield name tagged onto it.

 

[Medicated]

The whole thing would be probably loved to pieces if this was some alt-universe war story without the Battlefield name tagged onto it.

They literally could've just called it Batllefield - Post Apocalyptic, to explain why everyone was wearing mishmash of stuff and why old tanks were fixed up to drive around again, but I suppose that would've taken foresight and planning.

 

[Billy_Sama]

I am more shocked that people still care about the Battlefield series especially with that Star Wars Battlefront 2 EA pooped out.

 

[ZehnBoat]

-snip-

the average gamer is in their 20s
SAMUS HAS BEEN AROUND LONGER THAN MOST GAMERS

for some, there has always been female characters, so this whole rigamarole of TEEHEE LOOK AT MY GURL ISNT THAT NEW just means nothing

 

[Medicated]

I am more shocked that people still care about the Battlefield series especially with that Star Wars Battlefront 2 EA pooped out.

Why do you think marketing departments get so much budget? The public fall for marketing and hype. It took not only Mass Effect 3, but Mass Effect Andromeda, to kill that franchise. People still were willing to give it another chance because they bought the hype, then tried to rationalize it to themselves "I wasn't fooled, it just wasn't as good as they said"

 

[Fougaro]

Unless a game wants to present itself as historically accurate sperging about historical inaccuracies is a waste of everyone's time. While my favourite World War II games were Call of Duty World at War and both Company of Heroes games, I also had a lot of fun with Moe Moe Niji Taisen (man, the shit I was bing bing wahooing back in the 2000s...).

Maybe it's insomnia but for a millisecond I thought someone shooped post-timeskip Asuka from Rebuild Evangelion into a World War II game. I'd unironically play such a thing.

I think its odd that they keep on going with this narrative of acting like "we are the first people to introduce women and black character to videogames! We are the future!".

It's like they've never played a videogame in their life. Videogames have had female characters as far back as you could discern they weren't an amorphous blob.

off the top of my head you had Star and Fan in 1985

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Samus Aran in 1986
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Tyris Flare in 1989

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Chun Li in 1991
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Mai Shiranu, King and Yuri Sakazaki in 1992
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And this is is without going looking for all the random female characters in other long forgotten arcade, console, and home computer games. I just don't get it, they aren't revolutionizing the industry in any way. Diversity was in videogames long before they thought of it. And ironically most it came from Japan.

But you see almost all female anime/video game characters these Japanese shitlords make, in particular Chun Li and especially Mai Shiranui, are way too sexy to fulfill the diversity quota.

 

[Nazi vegeta]

Speaking of mgs4, did you know that the original ending was to kill off otacon and snake by execution?

yeah I know.
I dont know if I would have liked it more. They really didnt go much in detail, about their philantrophy period.
We really dont know wheter they also killed people or just blew up some robots. If it was just the latter, a Death sentence would seem a bit too forced in my opinion, especially considering snake's past as a war hero.

I think its odd that they keep on going with this narrative of acting like "we are the first people to introduce women and black character to videogames! We are the future!".

It's like they've never played a videogame in their life. Videogames have had female characters as far back as you could discern they weren't an amorphous blob.

off the top of my head you had Star and Fan in 1985

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Samus Aran in 1986
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Tyris Flare in 1989

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Chun Li in 1991
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Mai Shiranu, King and Yuri Sakazaki in 1992
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And this is is without going looking for all the random female characters in other long forgotten arcade, console, and home computer games. I just don't get it, they aren't revolutionizing the industry in any way. Diversity was in videogames long before they thought of it. And ironically most it came from Japan.

I doubt these people even played any of those games. without even going back to 30 years ago, in the early 2000s, we had this:

the Whole main story of the franchise that time revolved around 2-3 women.
Lots of females in the cast as well.

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[Billy_Sama]

I think its odd that they keep on going with this narrative of acting like "we are the first people to introduce women and black character to videogames! We are the future!".

It's like they've never played a videogame in their life. Videogames have had female characters as far back as you could discern they weren't an amorphous blob.

off the top of my head you had Star and Fan in 1985

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Samus Aran in 1986
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Tyris Flare in 1989

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Chun Li in 1991
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Mai Shiranu, King and Yuri Sakazaki in 1992
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And this is is without going looking for all the random female characters in other long forgotten arcade, console, and home computer games. I just don't get it, they aren't revolutionizing the industry in any way. Diversity was in videogames long before they thought of it. And ironically most it came from Japan.

You forgot someone from one of my favorite games and reason why I own a Sega Master System, Alis of Phantasy Star.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

You do realize that the historical Waffen-SS was filled to the brim with non-Germans, right? 5th SS Panzer Division "Wiking" was composed almost entirely of (admittedly white) non-Germans. And at least 4,500 Indians formed their own SS regiment. Women, too, were non-combat auxiliaries. Racial policy was often subordinate to the realities of war.

It goes to show you that the picture of WWII you've been taught is wrong. Not at all playing this cookie-cutter shit, but I just wanted to point that out.

The SS were also a bunch of murderous tools serving a terrorist police state that built actual death camps. I couldn't give a shit about how "inclusive" they were.

Any game where I can murder those goose-stepping morons by the score is fine with me on principle. But EA isn't so fuck this game anyways.

 

[LN 910]

Kotaku's gonna kotaku...Never saw that coming.

https://kotaku.com/oh-no-there-are-women-in-battlefield-v-1826275455
http://archive.fo/GOqfG



I look into my crystal ball and foresee ... seven or eight nearly identical articles in the next 48 hours. Anyone care to disagree?

It's a strange day when we applaud the ability to shoot women in the face in our World War II games.

 

[ADN_VIII]

Outside of partisan forces in France and Italy, I don't recall hearing about many women on the frontlines of WWII unless they were nurses. Dice talks about historical respect and accuracy but I feel like they slept through history class and couldn't be bothered to open up Wikipedia or search Google.