Battle for Section 230 - The Situation Monitoring Thread for Monitoring the Situation of the Situation Monitor's Situation Monitoring

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I'm probably a minority of one as usual, but it seems to me that if Trump was really dead serious about this, he'd have better more lethal means to go at it than twittering about it occasionally. Seems to me he's more like, firing a warning shot across the bows of Big Tech. Possible hope they will rein in some of their nastier corporate greed behaviors themselves.

Just because Trump is a Boomer doesn't mean he won't have any tech savvy people working for him. Or legal political types who know how to draft laws and not just poop out tweets. That is, if he was actually serious.
 
Terrorist said:
I love the argument that you shouldn’t be wary of all TOR’s alphabet boy origins because it was only 85% directly funded by US intelligence instead of 100%, and the guy the government sponsored to write it wasn’t a known intelligence agent himself. I guess that 15% and one degree of separation make a big difference.
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It's a really excellent thing that Tor is completely open source, fuckwit. You're much better off using public unencrypted networks with known NSA backbone spyware and/or VPNs that you can only hope aren't MitM'd. "Don't use that gun! The (((IDF))) made it!"
 
Terrorist said:
I love the argument that you shouldn’t be wary of all TOR’s alphabet boy origins because it was only 85% directly funded by US intelligence instead of 100%, and the guy the government sponsored to write it wasn’t a known intelligence agent himself but merely took money from one. I guess that 15% and one degree of separation make a big difference.
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Math doesn't care what you think about it or who came up with it.
 
Null said:
It's a really excellent thing that Tor is completely open source, fuckwit. You're much better off using public unencrypted networks with known NSA backbone spyware and/or VPNs that you can only hope aren't MitM'd. "Don't use that gun! The (((IDF))) made it!"
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Why should I expect to not be surveilled through a naval intelligence project? It might be better than nothing but it can’t be immune. Whataboutism with VPNs doesn’t change that.

If I was a member of Hamas and the IDF left a big crate of Uzis out in the open for me to take from, shouldn’t I suspect they might be defective, have tracking chips on them, etc?
 
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Another schizophrenic with absolutely not a fucking clue of what anything is but sees scary words and has their monkey brain fill in the rest.
 
Terrorist said:
Why should I expect to not be surveilled on a naval intelligence project known to be infested with feds? Do you? This is also true of the surface web, but TOR is no more trustworthy.

A gun made by the IDF or whatever is completely non-analogous, lol. It’s more like “Why should I not eat the tasty cheese inside this mouse trap, I don’t see the spring on it and the Orkin man told me it wasn’t like the others”
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You should expect to be surveilled on anything, really. If you're even using tor at all, why are you doing it? Just using it at all exposes you to some level of increased scrutiny.

But we know exactly what tor does. You can audit the code yourself. It's right there, in the open. You know what these nodes do. There are obviously going to be fed nodes, nodes run by weirdos, whatever. The network itself could be entirely compromised. Just the fact that it exists guarantees someone, somewhere is trying to do it. There are people doing it every single day, maybe for pay, and maybe for fun.

But just mindlessly claiming it actually is and somehow nobody has actually exploited this in any visible way is pure tinfoil. Take that shit elsewhere unless you have some actual evidence.
 
Null said:
Another schizophrenic with absolutely not a fucking clue of what anything is but sees scary words and has their monkey brain fill in the rest.
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AnOminous said:
You should expect to be surveilled on anything, really. If you're even using tor at all, why are you doing it? Just using it at all exposes you to some level of increased scrutiny.
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Though TOR has its upsides, my point is you can’t rely on it to save you from censorship and/or surveillance if TPTB go full scorched earth on the internet. I don’t think either of you would disagree with that, but many people worried about free speech online see or saw TOR as their salvation.

Of course the technology itself is just a tool with no inherent bias, but the tool’s financial backers in US intelligence have interests that conflict with free speech on the internet, and thus care how you or I might use it. Because they paid for it to use for themselves, they presumably took the time to know TOR inside and out (these aren’t clueless boomers like Trump), not just as a finished product but during development when vulnerabilities were more apparent.

If intelligence orgs haven’t yet found a way to compromise TOR, they will if it becomes a serious threat to their control of the narrative (i.e. if there is a mass exodus to TOR). Or maybe they don’t/won’t, but it would be naive to assume not.
 
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please for the love of god read the fucking article i read before saying shit that is directly countered by information in the article
 
Null said:
please for the love of god read the fucking article i read before saying shit that is directly countered by information in the article
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I read the article. You know what stood out to me? “Tor is not a silver bullet”. Many attacks on Tor aren’t technologically impossible, just impractical to do on a large scale right now.

If there was a mass exodus to TOR after drastic censorship of the normal internet, TPTB wouldn’t just slink away in defeat - they’d invest their considerable resources and expertise into making attacks more practical, efficient and effective. TOR would be a temporary solution at best.
 
Terrorist said:
I read the article. You know what stood out to me? “Tor is not a silver bullet”. Many attacks on Tor aren’t technologically impossible, just impractical to do on a large scale right now.

If there was a mass exodus to TOR after drastic censorship of the normal internet, TPTB wouldn’t just slink away in defeat - they’d invest their considerable resources and expertise into making attacks more practical, efficient and effective. TOR would be a temporary solution at best.
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Bud, by your logic everything is only a "temporary solution" because someone would eventually find a way to compromise it, so we should all tuck our dicks between our legs and commit An Hero on ourselves. There will never be a 100% risk free solution with these things and you'll just have to live with that.
 
ScatmansWorld said:
Bud, by your logic everything is only a "temporary solution" because someone would eventually find a way to compromise it, so we should all tuck our dicks between our legs and commit An Hero on ourselves. There will never be a 100% risk free solution with these things and you'll just have to live with that.
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All solutions will be temporary because TPTB inherently do not want free speech on the internet and will compromise any attempt at it. It’s systemic. Like we’ve seen with NP2, there is no “just make your own”.

The solution is to overthrow or at least reform the liberal elite consensus, to fight back instead of flee, but that’s improbable if not impossible (like Null puts it, if XYZ politician proposed reforms to payment processors or the breakup of big tech, he’d be shot in the head). So IMO use what you need to for now, but don’t get lulled into a false sense of security.

That’s what I’m saying with Tor: the government and/or a corporation will find a way to break that shit sooner or later. In the government’s case, I think it’s likely they have or are close because of their intimate involvement in Tor’s development.
 
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Captain Manning said:
I am sure it is 100% coincidental that the people who bitch about 230 the loudest are the same people that have been fucked with by Dorsey. Trump, Rekieta, Dick Masterson... scores of others.

What?! I can't say whatever I want on this private-sector site infested with, and run by, SJWs? BURN THE INTERNET!

Just find another platform that is more tolerant of your edgelord commentary. Like KiwiFarms. The site that will die if 230 is gutted. Jesus Christ. Their lolbertarian ideas of free speech absolutism is autistic.

When you want to own the libs so bad, you'll kill everybody to do it.

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Nothing speaks more lolcowish than someone willing to own themselves to own the Libs.
 
Man, I'm so glad I don't live in a backwards info suppressing shithole country run by some fat autistic chil- fuck.
 
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