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wtfNeedSignUp said:
I'm almost certinely not the first person to ask this autistic question but how would repealing section 230 affect sites like Kiwi Farms? If a big company wants to take this site down they'll do it with zero effort using their batteries of lawyers and massive political power through lobbying, they don't need section 230.
This really leave various lolsuits by private people who always fuck up their own cases through incompetency and thinking they are smarter than anyone else.
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It gets a bit trickier than that, I'm afraid. Go into the average lolcow's thread and see all the people that "joking" say that person should kill themselves, or deserves to die, or is a child-fucker, or any of a zillion other things. While most of that stuff is theoretically actionable, it becomes "Random Internet User #423749" and it's not only not worth going after, you wouldn't have an effective way of doing so anyway.

In this scenario, though, Lolcow LLC would have to respond to all those claims. And yes, some will be incompetent, and some will be hideously badly written. But it still costs a lot more money to respond to those than the previous strategy of "lol 230 bitch!" that's been used thus far.

And, well, some of them probably will have a legit case, or at least one good enough to get to discovery and depositions and trials and the like. That's even more money. While I don't know Null's finances, obviously...I'm gonna guess having hundreds of thousands of additional legal expenses would make operating the place untenable.
 
Null said:
oh so you're just a schizo retard who thinks their 10 user Lain imageboard is le resistance. Okay, good luck institutionalizing change from your .onion url, you stupid fucking faggot.
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Anybody who still thinks TOR/.onion hosting will be our salvation is delusional. It was and is literally a naval intelligence project. Proportionately there are probably more feds on the deep web than the surface web, everything there is a scam or a honeypot.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think would have any special legal advantages against censorship either (relating to 230 or in general) even if it wasn’t an Op.

Don’t forget the normie Internet was a DARPA project too. The stink of glowies was always on it, and if it ever really was the Wild West, it was never gonna stay that way.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I'm almost certinely not the first person to ask this autistic question but how would repealing section 230 affect sites like Kiwi Farms? If a big company wants to take this site down they'll do it with zero effort using their batteries of lawyers and massive political power through lobbying, they don't need section 230.
This really leave various lolsuits by private people who always fuck up their own cases through incompetency and thinking they are smarter than anyone else.
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And who lose their suits against the posters of the material they're suing about. After everyone involved spends lots of money. If you can sue the sites themselves then sites like this have to pay to defend themselves, too. Not just against one suit but all of them, simultaneously, all the time. It's a tipping point thing.

Josh is a reasonable guy (by that I mean completely insane but with limits). He's willing to become all but an international fugitive, live life on the run, have his life completely destroyed, just for this site to exist, but just being immune to personal liability for every stupid thing every one of you motherfuckers including me say every day keeps him doing it.

It isn't instantly going to destroy everything if § 230 goes away, but Josh hits hit shit limit at that point. Because he knows what that means in the long run.
 
Null said:
Russia, basically. You'd have to make a site hosted in Russia that blocks connections from any Russian IP and does not index to Yandex, and block yandex/mail.ru emails from registering. That'd be the best way to keep Rozkomnadzor out of your hair.

Of course, in post-230 US, Google would just be deindexing shit left and right so it's pointless, nevermind domain registrars, ICANN, etc, etc, etc,. Might as well just bite the bullet and go .onion. Maybe that's what people want, I don't know, but I'm not going to host that.
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I can't imagine having to use a .onion just to post here. TOR is slow as shit
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I'm almost certinely not the first person to ask this autistic question but how would repealing section 230 affect sites like Kiwi Farms? If a big company wants to take this site down they'll do it with zero effort using their batteries of lawyers and massive political power through lobbying, they don't need section 230.
This really leave various lolsuits by private people who always fuck up their own cases through incompetency and thinking they are smarter than anyone else.
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Despite popular conceptions of the law, it is fair enough that you can't just send armies of jews after something you don't like to shut it down. Plenty of big companies have tried to fuck with KF (Lego comes to mind) but once it becomes clear that saber rattling won't get what they want they just decide it's not worth it and fuck off.

Removal of section 230 would suddenly mean their threats - and lolcow's - would actually have a legal leg to stand on. Make no mistake, there is genuine defamation being committed by Does all over this site. There are PLENTY of lolcows with some cash and IQ over 80 who would sue the farms if they knew it had a chance, the aren't just all Greers and Scotts, and even if they don't win, the lack of 230 means the cases would go on long enough to bankrupt josh.
 
I am sure it is 100% coincidental that the people who bitch about 230 the loudest are the same people that have been fucked with by Dorsey. Trump, Rekieta, Dick Masterson... scores of others.

What?! I can't say whatever I want on this private-sector site infested with, and run by, SJWs? BURN THE INTERNET!

Just find another platform that is more tolerant of your edgelord commentary. Like KiwiFarms. The site that will die if 230 is gutted. Jesus Christ. Their lolbertarian ideas of free speech absolutism is autistic.

When you want to own the libs so bad, you'll kill everybody to do it.

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Null said:
Even if suddenly YouTube was a totally fair platform for ideas, it would not be forced to monetize people the same way
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Sorry for being a tard but doesn't America have a whole 60-something year old law that says you can't discriminate pay based on gender/race/belief etc.? Or does none of that count because Youtubers are technically contractors instead of employees?
 
ScatmansWorld said:
Sorry for being a tard but doesn't America have a whole 60-something year old law that says you can't discriminate pay based on gender/race/belief etc.? Or does none of that count because Youtubers are technically contractors instead of employees?
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Political affiliation is not a protected class.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I'm almost certinely not the first person to ask this autistic question but how would repealing section 230 affect sites like Kiwi Farms? If a big company wants to take this site down they'll do it with zero effort using their batteries of lawyers and massive political power through lobbying, they don't need section 230.
This really leave various lolsuits by private people who always fuck up their own cases through incompetency and thinking they are smarter than anyone else.
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It would open the floodgates to dumb ass lawsuits and would also mean Null would either have to shut the place down, take responsibility for EVERY users content or hand over personal details on request. All 3 of these options would kill the site.
 
Canine with Fangs said:
Despite popular conceptions of the law, it is fair enough that you can't just send armies of jews after something you don't like to shut it down. Plenty of big companies have tried to fuck with KF (Lego comes to mind) but once it becomes clear that saber rattling won't get what they want they just decide it's not worth it and fuck off.
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People vastly overestimate the armies of Jews in three piece suits. Just because you get kicked off most places when Soyny starts bitching about memes and hurling around DMCAs, look what they did when Josh just told them all to fuck off. This site got Soyny DMCAs and basically just ignored them. What happened? Nothing. They were at a complete loss. Do they actually file a suit over this shit and lose? Apparently not.

But § 230 away, as nool knows, is a death sentence. It's somewhat similar to the DMCA in that your service provider can literally just say "blow me" once they get a counter notification from the dude doxing himself in the process to do it, because they now have zero liability. Their interest is to favor their customer at that point over some rando threatening them. That's kind of why the DMCA is pro-consumer, in its ultimate effect. The counter notification gives you the choice of basically saying "come at me bro" instead of caving in, and your ISP just keeps providing service, since they have nothing to lose.

Getting rid of § 230 robs you of this. You can be as brave as you like, and entirely okay with some scumbag operation coming at you.

But your platform is gone because they now stand to lose everything, for some guy they don't give a shit about. So when you say "come at me bro" they say no, fuck that, I'm coming at your ISP, you don't get to fight for what you believe in, you're toast. You're gone.

You don't get to be the Tiananmen tank guy even. Even getting run down by the tank doesn't happen for you. You just don't exist at all.
 
Null said:
The fat faggot retard has found enough time between shaking hands and swapping spit with every senior GOP official to tweet this out again.

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313511340124917760

There's yet another Section 230 amendment that was proposed in the House as a bipartisan effort between Tulsi Gabbard (D, HI-02) and Paul Gossar (R, AZ-04) called the Don't Touch Me Act. It offers similar changes to Section 230.

https://gabbard.house.gov/news/pres...r-introduce-bill-prevent-unwanted-anti-social
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/8515/all-info

Supposedly this one is meant to only remove Section 230 protections for services which use user data without their consent to offer content, but which will realistically only result in more GDPR-essque notifications that help fucking nothing.

If you don't know what Section 230 is or how it helped foster the Internet since before the towers fell, now's a good time to learn.


If you're wondering why there's suddenly 5 or 6 amendments in various stages of the congress and proposed by the FBI about Section 230, it's because of tweets like this. Everyone was treated the same, and the CDA was basically untouchable. Now it's very political, very partisan, and definitely will be changed. Everyone wants to get their own carve-outs and definitions in while the iron is hot.
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Why can't people learn to just keep the internet like it has been since the 80s-90s.
 
Terrorist said:
Anybody who still thinks TOR/.onion hosting will be our salvation is delusional. It was and is literally a naval intelligence project. Proportionately there are probably more feds on the deep web than the surface web, everything there is a scam or a honeypot.
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I think in the Edward Snowden leaks it said the NSA/DOJ can't reliably do mass surveillance on TOR, though I could be wrong. They would have to take extra steps to take anything on TOR down.

Speaking of Snowden, the courts just ruled recently the NSA mass surveillance programs were illegal:
www.reuters.com

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal

Seven years after former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the mass surveillance of Americans' telephone records, an appeals court has found the program was unlawful - and that the U.S. intelligence leaders who publicly defended it were...
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
GHTD said:
I think in the Edward Snowden leaks it said the NSA/DOJ can't reliably do mass surveillance on TOR, though I could be wrong. They would have to take extra steps to take anything on TOR down.
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Disinfo about Tor is everywhere.
write.privacytools.io

Slicing onions: Part 1 - Myth-busting Tor.

The Tor network is an anonymity system designed to protect the privacy and anonymity of its users. Unlike a VPN service, Tor is both free...
write.privacytools.io write.privacytools.io
 
Null said:
Disinfo about Tor is everywhere.
write.privacytools.io

Slicing onions: Part 1 - Myth-busting Tor.

The Tor network is an anonymity system designed to protect the privacy and anonymity of its users. Unlike a VPN service, Tor is both free...
write.privacytools.io write.privacytools.io
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TOR is as good a tool as you use it as. Know what it is. Know what it isn't.

Remember, They aren't going to get you by cracking your 4096-bit RSA key with a $50 million server farm, they're going to get you by cracking your fingers with a $5 hammer.
 
Canine with Fangs said:
Removal of section 230 would suddenly mean their threats - and lolcow's - would actually have a legal leg to stand on. Make no mistake, there is genuine defamation being committed by Does all over this site. There are PLENTY of lolcows with some cash and IQ over 80 who would sue the farms if they knew it had a chance, the aren't just all Greers and Scotts, and even if they don't win, the lack of 230 means the cases would go on long enough to bankrupt josh.
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Null said it himself in one of his streams that if anything major happens to 230, he would have to nuke this site immediately because of the many cows out there ready to sue him.
 
Null said:
Disinfo about Tor is everywhere.
write.privacytools.io

Slicing onions: Part 1 - Myth-busting Tor.

The Tor network is an anonymity system designed to protect the privacy and anonymity of its users. Unlike a VPN service, Tor is both free...
write.privacytools.io write.privacytools.io
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I love the argument that you shouldn’t be wary of all TOR’s alphabet boy origins because it was only 85% directly funded by US intelligence instead of 100%, and the guy the government sponsored to write it wasn’t a known intelligence agent himself but merely took money from one. I guess that 15% and one degree of separation make a big difference.
 
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