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MysteriousStranger said:
I was strictly in the text-only newsgroups and the encrypted bits were very short. They looked like keys of some kind.

I did learn about the binaries, though, you're right. You usually pay a monthly fee for those servers and are given tens of gigs of storage, so I made the assumption it was piracy on a grand scale. Why people choose to do that rather than torrent for free, I do not know. I stopped digging at that point.
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Most paid Usenet plans are encrypted and torrenting is not. If you want to encrypt torrenting you generally need to pay for a VPN anyway. It's also client/server system as opposed to peer-to-peer. Using a peer-to-peer service like torrents you generally upload portions of the file as you download and so you can be found liable for distributing copyrighted material. You upload nothing downloading Usenet binaries so at worst you can be held liable for a single copy of the media. In terms of ease of use, Usenet is also more perplexing than torrents to your average person so it generally flies under the radar of government and the media a little more.

I pay around $60 a year for a bundle that includes 50 gigs of Usenet access a month and VPN access. I get all my entertainment from that and don't subscribe services like Netflix or Disney + or whatever. Well worth it imo for the increased security over torrents and the bundled VPN plan, but to each his own.
 
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Never Scored said:
I think this is going to result in Libertarian tech-nerds abandoning the World Wide Web for something normies can't figure out. Maybe something peer-to-peer and encrypted that is protected from prying outsiders.
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If this happens, it will establish a cycle:

1. tech literate establish some kind of difficult-to-access method to connect with each other
2. fun Wild West era begins
3. system grows in popularity
4. somebody makes it accessible for normies for profit
5. Eternal September event, normies take over
6. system gets nerfed to benefit corporate entities at the expense of individuals
7. repeat from Step 1
 
Jack Awful said:
The 230 shit is all conservatives.
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I guess if you count Joe Biden as a conservative. He wants to do away with it too because of imaginary "Russian bots."

Never Scored said:
I pay around $60 a year for a bundle that includes 50 gigs of Usenet access a month and VPN access. I get all my entertainment from that and don't subscribe services like Netflix or Disney + or whatever. Well worth it imo for the increased security over torrents and the bundled VPN plan, but to each his own.
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Too bad Usenet mainly survives as just an oldfag piracy method. If you have a functioning text Usenet you don't even need Section 230 because nobody can get rid of you anyway.
 
Never Scored said:
Most paid Usenet plans are encrypted and torrenting is not. If you want to encrypt torrenting you generally need to pay for a VPN anyway. It's also client/server system as opposed to peer-to-peer. Using a peer-to-peer service like torrents you generally upload portions of the file as you download and so you can be found liable for distributing copyrighted material. You upload nothing downloading Usenet binaries so at worst you can be held liable for a single copy of the media. In terms of ease of use, Usenet is also more perplexing than torrents to your average person so it generally flies under the radar of government and the media a little more.

I pay around $60 a year for a bundle that includes 50 gigs of Usenet access a month and VPN access. I get all my entertainment from that and don't subscribe services like Netflix or Disney + or whatever. Well worth it imo for the increased security over torrents and the bundled VPN plan, but to each his own.
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If you're in the UK Virgin Media gives you Usenet access for free as part of your plan, with unlimited use and 30 day retention. I doubt they'll do anything about it because they're the ones sharing the copyrighted content...

AnOminous said:
Too bad Usenet mainly survives as just an oldfag piracy method. If you have a functioning text Usenet you don't even need Section 230 because nobody can get rid of you anyway.
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So what you're saying is we should move to alt.autism.kiwifarms and ditch everyone who can't figure it out?
 
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Sperghetti said:
If this happens, it will establish a cycle:

1. tech literate establish some kind of difficult-to-access method to connect with each other
2. fun Wild West era begins
3. system grows in popularity
4. somebody makes it accessible for normies for profit
5. Eternal September event, normies take over
6. system gets nerfed to benefit corporate entities at the expense of individuals
7. repeat from Step 1
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Problem is every time they establish something like that, it ends up primarily being used to share CP.
 
Jack Awful said:
Shit, I barely go on any other sites.
IDK what I'd do all day if KF didn't exist, especially under quarantine.

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This wording gives me hope, but just a little.

Anyone read the full proposal yet?
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Just read it, we're fucked.
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That's the proposal

This comes after President Trump signed an executive order this month that interprets Section 230 as not providing statutory liability protections for tech companies that engage in censorship and political conduct -- though DOJ officials say the department has been working on the legislative recommendations for months and they are not a direct result of Trump’s order.
 
корона-тян said:
The cycle has already been established. Usenet being the first example.

There's an interesting effort to revive and expand the Gopher protocol as well as an alternative for the web, but that shit doesn't go far enough.
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Any solution with sufficient infrastructure and mindshare to replace the current, public internet will be vulnerable to exactly the same problems the current internet has, because it will inevitably intersect with all the same interests. At risk of sounding like a doomer, I'm not sure there is any real solution.
 
teriyakiburns said:
Any solution with sufficient infrastructure and mindshare to replace the current, public internet will be vulnerable to exactly the same problems the current internet has, because it will inevitably intersect with all the same interests. At risk of sounding like a doomer, I'm not sure there is any real solution.
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I would think that you can break things down to the point that networks are more personal than anything.

The worry would be that it becomes an echo chamber.

Granted I don't like the idea of Kiwi Farms being pruned down to "having to know someone and then do a quest of sorts to get in" but then again you can have the "public" part and then create little enclaves from there.
 
Bender said:
So what you're saying is we should move to alt.autism.kiwifarms and ditch everyone who can't figure it out?
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It's easy enough to do, so I went ahead and got the newsgroup free.homesteading.kiwis up and running on Usenet just in case they turf 230 and Null closes up this place without notice. It probably would not be a good long-term solution because Usenet is cumbersome by today's standards and not easily accessible on mobile devices, but it will fly under the radar because retards who care about what people say do not no how to access Usenet. It is currently on Eternal September's servers, I don't know how long it will take to propagate to other servers or if it even will, but Eternal September is free, encrypted, anti-censorship and you can use a throw away email. Once you have an account you can access the newsgroup using Thunderbird.

Don't take this as any kind of power thing. I have zero moderation ability or control over the newsgroup, and zero interest in running any kind of online community. I'm just an obsolete tech enthusiast who likes free speech.

*Edit* Aioe.org runs a free public server that requires no registration and allows 40 posts a day. It does not allow posting via Tor, but using a combination of a VPN and switching to port 563 and enabling SSL, it's highly unlikely anything you post would be traced back to you. I checked it out and the free.homesteading.kiwis newsgroup is, in fact, also on their server, so it seems it has successfully propagated to the wider Usenet universe.
 
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not really the most doable solution but if enough site owners got pissed enough to crowd fund a boat to host their servers on which would just sit in international waters im pretty sure no country could legitimately enforce their laws on it.

Could have a kiwi CHAZ of the ocean with our single law of 230. Just dont invite twitter
 
Julias_Seizure2 said:
not really the most doable solution but if enough site owners got pissed enough to crowd fund a boat to host their servers on which would just sit in international waters im pretty sure no country could legitimately enforce their laws on it.

Could have a kiwi CHAZ of the ocean with our single law of 230. Just dont invite twitter
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Who owns SeaLand right now? That "country" has a proud history of being a haven for anti-government free speech groups. Just stack every server on Earth on top of it with a few towers of fans going and boom problem solved.
 
Strange Wilderness said:
Who owns SeaLand right now? That "country" has a proud history of being a haven for anti-government free speech groups. Just stack every server on Earth on top of it with a few towers of fans going and boom problem solved.
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They tried that in the early 00s, but the project fell apart. Apparently cypherpunks have the same problems that normal punks do.
 
The current proposition I'm aware of only effects sites with over 30 million unique US users or 300 million unique users worldwide (per year), so won't effect many of the sites.
 
Кот Бегемот said:
It would be a Chad move for sho; however, I just keep hearing "the greatest generation" bitch about their kids and grandkids that THEY raised to be utter fuck-up good for nothings and all the rights that were eroded during their lifetime certainly wasn't "great". I think that their biggest fault is keeping their tongues up their own ass (as a Slav would say) and try not to be judgemental or controvercial.
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To be fair to "the greatest generation" it's when all the fuck up started, nobody would know that would get the in this situation, and world war's, education going to left ; single mothers sky rocketing; depressions. But I would say boomers all around of world would fit better to your description, minus Africa and Middle East.
 

Judge Tells Devin Nunes Twitter is Platform, Not Publisher

Devin Nunes has already lost his "LOLsuit" against Twitter over the DevinNunesMom and DevinNunesCow accounts and allegedly defamatory things said about him. Let's see why the Judge dismissed Twitter from the case.
 
Terrifik said:
Judge Tells Devin Nunes Twitter is Platform, Not Publisher

Devin Nunes has already lost his "LOLsuit" against Twitter over the DevinNunesMom and DevinNunesCow accounts and allegedly defamatory things said about him. Let's see why the Judge dismissed Twitter from the case.
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Nunes' case was the most retarded LOLsuit you could possibly bring against twitter. Even without Section 230, this was a clean cut 1A case.
 
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