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Dear leader convinced me to write my congressperson about this. Their response was basically "Won't someone please think of the children. EARN It Act 2020!" so that was encouraging. I'm starting to see why people resort to burning things.
 
>mfw we still haven't had the Internet blown up yet.

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Splendid said:
Anyone think it's possible to get in-person meetings with Congress?
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Donate the max to the candidates on both sides and I guarantee whoever wins will pick up the phone when you call and probably even meet with you if you want to.
 
I'm still kind of confused why people are freaking out about 230 when at the moment you can be banned on Twitter for hate speech. You can be DMCA'd and demonetized if you don't have the youtube approved talking points, and your facebook account is banned because you posted non-inclusive news stories. And thats before these people find you and get you fired and then set fire to your house.

And I'm writing about this on a website that used cryptocurrency to stay afloat. If you're worried about free speech on the internet, that game is already over.
 
#zzz said:
I'm still kind of confused why people are freaking out about 230 when at the moment you can be banned on Twitter for hate speech. You can be DMCA'd and demonetized if you don't have the youtube approved talking points, and your facebook account is banned because you posted non-inclusive news stories. And thats before these people find you and get you fired and then set fire to your house.

And I'm writing about this on a website that used cryptocurrency to stay afloat. If you're worried about free speech on the internet, that game is already over.
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I think some in here are confusing us supporting this with the fact that we've been saying for years if the platforms don't police themselves, the government will step in and do it. It isn't we want it to happen, but after five or six years if saying this is what will happen, you just sort of laugh when it does. This is even assuming Trump does it.

I know his book was ghost written, but it doesn't mean he had no input. What usually happens with ghost written books is the 'author' will explain what their philosophy or advice is, and the writer will make it presentable. We've seen his 'art of the deal' behavior several times over the past few years, and while it doesn't always work, I think it is dumb to think this is the one time he's not going full ham.
 
derpherp2 said:
And Old Media is both desperate and retarded enough to think that this will fuck over new media (not that it might actually help), and will probably support it.
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I'm sure they will. After all, it wouldn't really change anything for them: They've been operating as publishers for their entire existence. All they have to do is remove comments sections off their websites (if they haven't already), and they're good to go.

They might get less ad money from clicks without the ability of people to share links to their articles over social media, but on the other hand, where else is anybody going to go for news and other info? Without the possibility of user-generated content, they'd essentially have the old age of newspapers and magazines back, without the cost of having to print and distribute anything.
 
I have to admit I initially thought this was dickwaving due to Twitter being utter faggots and Trump threatening them Sword of Damocles style, but it was ultimately hot air.

Now, I'm gonna admit I can't be so sure anymore. That Chuck Wendig douche kneecapped Archive.org's library (with help from publishers who he served as the front man for) and fucked over a valuable and entirely legitimate digital library service on the internet out of sheer spite. The logic behind it was utterly inane, but that asshole actually succeeded in dicking over a service I once thought impregnable to that sort of BS.

This has shaken my confidence quite a bit, and I thus don't think it unlikely Section 230 could be the next thing on the chopping block, and while I do like a lot of what Trump does, him going after this is something even I'll call him a retard for and the scary part is he stands a decent chance of getting his way on that.

While ideally Twitter alone would be punished by having their 230 shield revoked, or so I thought, the way this is likely to have Section 230 die does not bode well for the public commons, and this site could easily be put in the crosshairs next if it truly goes down. If that happens, it would be better if Null could pull the plug on this place on his own terms rather than get legally assfucked because a law that benefited everyone more than it hurt could die over some misplaced asshurt.

I ordinarily don't like sounding like a doomer, but in this case I'm forced to concede it might actually become real for once.
 
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GethN7 said:
I have to admit I initially thought this was dickwaving due to Twitter being utter faggots and Trump threatening them Sword of Damocles style, but it was ultimately hot air.

Now, I'm gonna admit I can't be so sure anymore. That Chuck Wendig douche kneecapped Archive.org's library (with help from publishers who he served as the front man for) and fucked over a valuable and entirely legitimate digital library service on the internet out of sheer spite. The logic behind it was utterly inane, but that asshole actually succeeded in dicking over a service I once thought impregnable to that sort of BS.

This has shaken my confidence quite a bit, and I thus don't think it unlikely Section 230 could be the next thing on the chopping block, and while I do like a lot of what Trump does, him going after this is something even I'll call him a retard for and the scary part is he stands a decent chance of getting his way on that.

While ideally Twitter alone would be punished by having their 230 shield revoked, or so I thought, the way this is likely to have Section 230 die does not bode well for the public commons, and this site could easily be put in the crosshairs next if it truly goes down. If that happens, it would be better if Null could pull the plug on this place on his own terms rather than get legally assfucked because a law that benefited everyone more than it hurt could die over some misplaced asshurt.

I ordinarily don't like sounding like a doomer, but in this case I'm forced to concede it might actually become real for once.
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It would be nice if Trump just threatened twitter, as they need to know their place. It makes me wonder why he feels the need to repeal the section entirely instead of directly punishing Twiter for their bullshit practices like any sane person would?
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
It would be nice if Trump just threatened twitter, as they need to know their place. It makes me wonder why he feels the need to repeal the section entirely instead of directly punishing Twiter for their bullshit practices like any sane person would?
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Boomers probably equate twitter and facebook together, it would explain why Zuck is yeling at Jack so much. He knows any scenario that fucks twitter over will fuck facebook over, regardless of outcome.
 
derpherp2 said:
Boomers probably equate twitter and facebook together, it would explain why Zuck is yeling at Jack so much. He knows any scenario that fucks twitter over will fuck facebook over, regardless of outcome.
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Oh, no question. The social media networks will be the first things hit, and Null has every reason to be worried that will affect him because if they are, forums are the very next thing that will be put under assault.

And the larger the forum, the bigger the target.
 
Splendid said:
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I don't think anyone in Congress gives much a shit beyond getting paid, honestly. Even if anyone in there has any good intentions, the paycheck comes first. Writing to them or whatever is just gonna net a response from some bored, underpaid intern. The actual dudes in Congress usually don't know and don't care what concerns you, I, or anyone else have.
 
escapegoat said:
230 exists because of forums. Tucker Max's old forum, to be specific. Yes, it applies to boards.
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It was specifically created in response to an astoundingly dumb ruling in a case involving Prodigy's Money Talk forum, specifically Stratton Oakmont, Inc. v. Prodigy Services Co., 1995 WL 323710 (N.Y. Sup. Ct. 1995). It's quite unusual for Congress to pass a law specifically about a state trial court decision because it's just that bad. Usually it has to hit at least a federal circuit before they even take notice.

Repealing § 230 would return us immediately to the exact legal situation that enacting it was intended to stop, which Congress viewed as a catastrophe for the Internet. To underscore this, even a bunch of boomers and tech illiterates in 1995 could see how bad this would be.
 
AnOminous said:
It was specifically created in response to an astoundingly dumb ruling in a case involving Prodigy's Money Talk forum, specifically Stratton Oakmont, Inc. v. Prodigy Services Co., 1995 WL 323710 (N.Y. Sup. Ct. 1995). It's quite unusual for Congress to pass a law specifically about a state trial court decision because it's just that bad. Usually it has to hit at least a federal circuit before they even take notice.

Repealing § 230 would return us immediately to the exact legal situation that enacting it was intended to stop, which Congress viewed as a catastrophe for the Internet. To underscore this, even a bunch of boomers and tech illiterates in 1995 could see how bad this would be.
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How come they never mentioned this in the Wolf of Wall Street?

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I believe that Trump is better off abandoning Twitter and Twitter just openly acknowledge its a website for left wingers only. I mean its a website mostly used by people who are young and have a shitload of time on their hands. Find another platform and the second thing is what should be done about payment processors as that is the real challenge fucking everything up. That payment processors and banks can refuse service based on your ideology and this shit is also a threat to the 2nd amendment as well. The payment processor bullshit is a bigger issue that needs to be resolved.
 
MrJokerRager said:
I believe that Trump is better off abandoning Twitter and Twitter just openly acknowledge its a website for left wingers only.
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Twitter would have to be insane to openly tell half the possible userbase just to fuck off. They're already swirling around the toilet.

Of course, they're insane for actually fucking over half their userbase for woke points but that's another issue.
 
AnOminous said:
Twitter would have to be insane to openly tell half the possible userbase just to fuck off. They're already swirling around the toilet.

Of course, they're insane for actually fucking over half their userbase for woke points but that's another issue.
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Tumblr banned porn, reddit banned their right-wing subreddits, and digg enabled their attentionwhores.
Social Media is not known for being a source of intellectual thought, in every conceiveable manner.
 
derpherp2 said:
Tumblr banned porn, reddit banned their right-wing subreddits, and digg enabled their attentionwhores.
Social Media is not known for being a source of intellectual thought, in every conceiveable manner.
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I wonder why tumblr banned porn?
 
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