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Section 230 should not be touched, even with good intentions.

230 isn't the problem, the problem is the kind of people who own and work at tech companies. The proof is in how Twitter suddenly got better a bit after switching owners.
 
X Prime said:
230 isn't the problem, the problem is the kind of people who own and work at tech companies. The proof is in how Twitter suddenly got better a bit after switching owners.
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the real problem is you can't just hope and pray companies will do the right thing, otherwise twitter, facebook and other shit would never have happened in the first place.
that's also who they care about, not the farms - it would just be collateral, which also means there a way where it doesn't become one.
 
I just don't see how any changes to 230 could pass both houses of congress. 60 senators are need for the senate, and with at most 222 representatives in the house it only takes 5 republicans to say no to kill it in the house. And I don't think the white house changing how they interpret 230 means anything for the courts writ large. At most Trump will try to pass Changes to 230 ,fail and just have his justice department go after the major tech companies for things unrelated to section 230 to punish them for censoring.
 
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
Trump isn't gonna bring back that pajeet with the Reese's mug, is he?
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No, he’s not based enough to do that.

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Spatula said:
Trump recently announced his day 1 plan of action and it includes revision of section 230. He says, from now on digital platforms should qualify for immunity protection if they meet high standards of neutrality, transparency, fairness and non-discrimination.
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=xJfUXVOoFBo
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I really wish he would stop trying to fuck with Section 230 and forget about it, it's the only thing about him that I don't like.

This is not what we wanted you for, Donald. Just build the border wall and unfuck the economy, that's your job. Fucking with my Internet is not your job.
 
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
I really wish he would stop trying to fuck with Section 230 and forget about it, it's the only thing about him that I don't like.

This is not what we wanted you for, Donald. Just build the border wall and unfuck the economy, that's your job. Fucking with my Internet is not your job.
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IMHO That's not going to happen. For 8 fucking years you had the liberal media tell a guy that he's a Natziiii, then with rattling the cage of the retarded, the same liberal media, with the help of the Democratic controlled government (AS proven afterwards on how deliberately flawed his Secret service protection assigned to him was) helped with 2 attempted assassinations on his life.

The Deep State is real.

Do you really think this man, Donald Trump is going to just ignore what happened to him? Heh.
He'll do section 230 OR some sort of executive order to make liberal media miserable.

Interesting times indeed.
 
BlewberryNausea said:
"The FCC has an important role to play in addressing the threats to individual liberty posed by corporations that are abusing dominant positions in the market [...]"
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If some traveled back in time 30 years and told 90's me in high school that a Republican appointee said this I'd assume they were crazy. Even 10 or 20 years ago this would be seen as a hell of a reversal, or some weapons grade lip service to "the left."

It's funny how things have flipped.
 
Nekoi.Inukuma.00 said:
If some traveled back in time 30 years and told 90's me in high school that a Republican appointee said this I'd assume they were crazy. Even 10 or 20 years ago this would be seen as a hell of a reversal, or some weapons grade lip service to "the left."

It's funny how things have flipped.
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This is one of the changes i think are for the better. (not hat i agree with attacks or messing with 230)

I also take issue with calling it even leftist like. Anything short of totally unrestricted, unregulated, unpoliced free market, does not socialism/communism make. I can sort of understand the pivot this way out of necessity back during the cold war, when we faced external existential threat from a powerful and subversive communist block. But dogmatically sticking to such extreme positions forever into the modern era is dangerous, not just for a movement/ideology/party, but for society as a whole. Look at what's it's doing to society, directly and indirectly. Almost single highhandedly handing society over to leftists.. it gave them a second life. It's not just younger conservatives, after the last decade of woke big business/market etc.. even older ones are starting to moderate on these sorts of issues... Thankfully.

The strengthen of the reason/corporate shill-libertarian (libertardian) wing of the conservatives and right, is in long term retreat. Whether they or the rest of the establishment wing understands it yet or not. I think the first major reckoning is going to come with the next attempt to cut healthcare. Trump was absolutely correct, you are mad to think you could get away with trying to fix things by defunding or deregulating etc.
 
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pikachudidnothingwrong said:
This, messing with 230, is the nuke option and these retards don't even understand it. :/

No 230 = internet becomes cable 2.0. Little more than a semi-interactive content/news/official opinion delivery system. As so many big interest, ideological and $$$, truly dream.
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They really don't. Trump wanted to use it to force Twitter to let him say whatever he wanted (which they did) and what would really happen is nobody would be able to post anything anywhere.

Eh. I wanna think the worst but if it IS ever passed it'll probably be shown to be unenforceable and it's not like we don't have any "underground" ways of posting online already.

Think of how many times KF has been brought down, then how Ublock Origin is "unsupported" in Chrome (works perfectly and always has), how many times YouTube has done 'things' to force us to watch ads, (the current situation is Youtube putting up ads that last up to 1 hour so we will block ads harder.) Many such cases.

How fast do all of these techniques get worked around? Sometimes the solution is ready before the new restriction is even launched. The companies update to work around our fixes and then *that* is fixed within hours.

The thing is Millennials are middle-aged now, GenX will never do anything (good) and we are taking over. Our generation has the strongest computer skills of any before or to come. GenZ's have been raised by iPads and only know how to post retarded shit on TikTok. They don't know what a file system is. We can build entire circuit boards from the ground up. We can fix anything, and when new tech comes out we learn how to operate and fix *that* immediately.

That said, I'm terrified this will get enacted, especially since the 4th Amendment has been dead and buried for over a decade, and this sets a horrible precedent against the First Amendment. Some can't come to terms with it, but privately owned websites can choose to censor speech in whatever way they want. However, the US government can't do that under the Constitution. Now the government is, and has been, trying to do exactly that. Trump says he's all for free speech but he clearly does not know what that is. Both parties in favor of this despite the fact that enacting it conflicts with all of their ideologies makes no sense at all. Dems pretend they want to censor "hate speech" but the left has been brainwashed into thinking it would only be the speech THEY disagree with that will be censored. Well what happens when it's actually THEIR speech that will get censored. That WILL happen. Might as well become China and throw in a clause that you can't criticize the US government while they're at it. If this continues, how hard is it going to be to repeal?

Remember how all the conservatives were in favor of the Patriot Act because it was only going to apply to "terrorists" IE brown-skinned, immigrant Muslims? Yeah that. Thanks idiots, we now have a department of government called Homeland Security, and they have all of your information too. Not to mention the definition of terrorist is now broad enough that literally everyone is a potential terrorist.

tl;dr US government has no idea what they're doing
 
The STOP CSAM Act has been reintroduced in the Senate Judiciary Committee with bipartisan support. This time it would amend Section 230 which could allow websites to be sued for content that the powers that be deem to be CSAM. It could also potentially end private messaging according to Reclaim The Net.



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Ugh here we go again... Another cynical attempt to mask a naked grab at privacy and rights by... "Think of the CHILDREN.... What? YOU won't give up your freedom? GUILTY!!" Made even worse because it doesn't seem to restrict "CP/CSAM" to legally defined standards. Here come the thought and drawing police again.

This would pretty much mean an end to small companies and private web sites offering 3rd party private content... As this bill DOESN'T limit itself to players over a certain size.. meaning EVERYONE is targeted. The "safety" measure requires an active defense in court, on top of everything else. So you better have lawyers on call full time if you risk it.
 
ASeabear8952 said:
The STOP CSAM Act has been reintroduced in the Senate Judiciary Committee with bipartisan support. This time it would amend Section 230 which could allow websites to be sued for content that the powers that be deem to be CSAM. It could also potentially end private messaging according to Reclaim The Net.
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pikachudidnothingwrong said:
Ugh here we go again... Another cynical attempt to mask a naked grab at privacy and rights by... "Think of the CHILDREN.... What? YOU won't give up your freedom? GUILTY!!" Made even worse because it doesn't seem to restrict "CP/CSAM" to legally defined standards. Here come the thought and drawing police again.
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Censorship laws frame themselves as something to stop the spread of CSAM but when it comes to actually doing shit about CSAM they hardly do anything. You don't use a nuke to assassinate someone so why should all privacy be violated for a law that won't even do anything to deal with the sexual exploitation of children? Child predators that have terabytes of CSAM know how to get around shit like this and they have for over a decade so this law is rendered completely useless in that regard.
I don't have any idea as to how to stop the spread of CSAM but I know that this wouldn't be the move. Also, they seriously didn't define CP and CSAM? They either rushed whoever drafted this or that was intentional.
 
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