Baldur's Gate III Announced - ...and it's coming to Google Stadia and PC

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But I've never once felt the urge to replay it. Its story suffers from tremendous pacing issues, the characters are largely shallow (propped up by phemonenal voice acting), the core plot collapses in on itself because it implies an urgency that never, ever, ever manifests, and the core system of 5e is just tremendously simplistic. In BG3 you can see the foundation for something much, much greater... but it's never realized. Where I detect ambition in the project concerns the voice acting and visual appearance - which, again: they absolutely knocked it out of the park. But almost everywhere else... it's a phoned-in story with phoned-in resolutions and by-the-numbers protagonists. I've seen all of these beats before.

There isn't enough in the main story to keep me interested in 'but what if I did this...?'; nor is there enough in the companions to suggest that they'd vary wildly between playthroughs; nor is the system deep enough to at all interest me in another go-through, when a single run suggested both what was obviously the optimal builds and that they were endlessly better than suboptimal ones in such a manner that there's genuinely no reason not to go for the best of the best.

For reference, after Dance of Masks released (a dlc), I replayed top to bottom WOTR and had an absolute blast. Immediately afterwards, I picked up the rest of the DLC and I've been playing through it (less fervently) on the side, and having a great time. I cobbled together a new archetype introduced in that DLC with an old prestige class alongside a chosen mythic path, which now allows me to fire off multiple chained-lightning effects with ~7 sneak attack die on each hit that affect multiple enemies at once with a litany of other effects that get applied through the cast to all affected enemies... plus a massive cast of characters who I've made wholly-distinct builds for in this particular run-through that vary wildly from my last and at the same seem significantly more impactful, all while I'm pursuing the polar-opposite alignment choice from my prior run.

By contrast, if I were to replay BG3, I would be briefly tempted by the evil route, realize how much I'd give up in terms of content for so little (and how little sense it would make), and tap out somewhere after the tiefling village.. because I don't care. Illithid are boring. Faceless, nameless characters with zero stakes are boring. Stories which take place effectively over the course of maybe a week are boring. Game systems in which I can either play the classes "as intended," wholly cheese them, or be complete dogshit... are boring. That blurb above, above being a magic deceiver -> rogue -> arcane trickster? It's an inefficient way to play byfar, but it's tons of fun. I made Lae'Zel and Eldritch Knight and Astarion an arcane trickster in my BG3 run, and wow: it was amazing how I made two utterly useless choices because 5e sucks balls.
Fair enough to some degree.
DnD 5e is dogshit and I don't think anyone defends it. The build variety is saved by Larian's itemization. So many interesting and diverse items that give the ability to build around it.
This is one of the things I wanted to highlight in my arguments, that BG3 ended up a great game, despite it's dogshit DnD nature.

WotR I only played during beta and maybe a couple of acts at lunch. I was no impressed, but since my knowledge of it is somewhat shallow I can't speak further on this topic. I could argue your points, but I'd rather not, since I'd be using second hand knowledge.

Anyway, your grievances are valid, even those that aren't personal taste and I mostly agree with them. But this is one of those cases, where the whole is greater then the sum of it's parts. I'm not even sure myself why, but...
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I'm not him in the slightest, but:
Disco Elysium - writing/tone
Wrath of the Righteous - player agency / replayability
Divinity:OS1: game systems / pacing
Guild Wars 1: ambition / core game systems
The Longest Journey: making stupid premises actually compelling
To be fair, here's my 5 great games.
1. NWN 2 - Mask of the Betrayer
2. Dead Space 2
3. Dying Light
4. Age of Wonders: Planetfall
5. Divinity Original Sin 2
 
Wotr is a fun game, but it took years for it to be even playable.

And that's before we go into how autistic it is. You need an autism diagnosis for that game's overcomplicated levelling calculations and lolrandom quests.

Rogue trader is an improvement, with better quests and better combat system, and it still baffles normies at 10% of the awutism of wotr.

With the fucked up levelling system and bugs galore, I can't really say Wotr is an objectively great game. It is a game I like and find fun, but its design is deeply flawed, even if we ignore graphics and voice acting as just production value stuffing.

While Rogue Trader is much better in mechanics, it still released with a ton of bugs. Owlcat is getting better but they need to conquer the main quest/companion quests work on release bar.

Kingmaker being the first game, it is everything Wrath has but with even more bugs.

But what it does better is replayability. You can choose a lot of mythical paths that alter the gameplay a lot, and Rogue Trader has at least 2 radically different alignent with loyalist and chaos, even if the good-normie reddit aligment is tacked on and is just loyalist but like wholesome chungus.
 
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Bit of a derail here but, goddamn, Planetfall? Here I thought everyone written it off as a mediocre sequel to 3 no one wanted and fucked off back to AOW 3, 4 or even 1/2.
I'm not sure who this everyone is, but he's a fag.
I love this game.
It has every possible space trope you can imagine, from the classic Starship Troopers marines to the Dune-esq intrigue houses or Borg-like races bent on assimilation. The mod system allows you an insane amount of builds and the Empire mod is so much fun, as you steadily conquer more hellish worlds.
This game was made to be fun and that's something a lot of titles miss this day, the fun factor.
I recognize it might not be for everyone, but I love sci-fi stuff and I love 4x, so I'm double dipping in the autism sauce.

Isn't AoW a 4x, not a crpg?
Yes.
But it all started from a person listing their 5 great games, regardless of genre, to determine that person's standards for greatness.
 
The fantasy game is nice too, but it is a wholly different genre so we can't really compare it to a crpg. As far as 4x goes its fun, though not as complex as lets say Paradox's usual fare.
Whenever that is a good or a bad thing is entirely a subjective taste.
 
And that's before we go into how autistic it is. You need an autism diagnosis for that game's overcomplicated levelling calculations and lolrandom quests.
I just fired it up again and every time I do there's this little period of time where I have to get used to the extreme autism it churns out. I say this having played a shit ton of pathfinder since pathfinder was 3.0 D&D. I can't imagine playing a mythic game in tabletop when the system already starts to shit itself and break down around 12th level and is massive shitshow at about 15th onward.

Still love it though, I like the story a lot better than BG3. Toolbox is a godsend with that one button teleport key because fuck walking to 6 different merchants in Drezen and especially fuck Nenio's autistic puzzle dungeon.
 
The puzzle doesn't even tell you where to find the puzzle pieces, it is autism squared. I just gave up on that. It is a fun game, but it is very flawed, and I can see why BG3 would be more popular is it is way less.... autistic, lets face it.

I hope with Rogue Trader they learned a little. Hope dies last.
 
Is it true if I combine the reverse rain cloak with the wavemother robe, you basically heal yourself?
 
The puzzle doesn't even tell you where to find the puzzle pieces, it is autism squared. I just gave up on that. It is a fun game, but it is very flawed, and I can see why BG3 would be more popular is it is way less.... autistic, lets face it.

I hope with Rogue Trader they learned a little. Hope dies last.
As someone who played plenty of Larian games (both DOS and Divinity Ego Draconis), they can also get autistic with certain puzzles, but never to the point of frustration.
And while this ability to be just autistic enough helped the game's popularity, I believe it's only a small part.
Good graphics and full VO is better for streaming, thus popularize the game, since reading ain't a hot thing with the ADHD zoomies.
And the social elements, especially the romances, coupled with a good dress up mode and the fact that 5e is very simplistic, earned them a decent size of the female audience. Yeah, sure, games like this will always be male dominated, but this one is at least accessible and alluring enough for women to give it a shot.
 
I just did the Iron Throne part on my 2nd playthrough.
Expecting to have to re-do it a time or two, I was pleasantly surprised when everyone escaped on the first try... except for my Tavitha. Like wtf, rude.
Best part of that was watching Astarian look over at Omeluum, then over at Wyll's dad, glance around the submersible, then run over to the window to see the whole thing go boom.
You left my slow ass behind, what did you think was gonna happen? lol
Luckily my corpse washed up on the beach so the party was able to retrieve and revivify.
I like to think Tavitha gives them all hell for just scampering up the ladder without a thought for where she might be.
 
Wasn't there something a while back about the devs adding in mod support for consoles? Can anyone confirm?
 
Still love it though, I like the story a lot better than BG3.

I might be in the minority but I wasn't a huge fan of WOTR's story. It just feels, bad? It's fine overall but it just doesn't flow. Whereas I loved BG3's story and the production of it. Maybe that's the difference for me.

I did hear they are going to be making all of their games fully voiced going forward.
 
Some of the new evil ending are showing up on YouTube. Fun times.
 
Finished my second playthrough.
Next up, Durge run.
Pretty sure it's a law of nature that the third play be a bit on the evil side.
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Some of the new evil ending are showing up on YouTube. Fun times.

I gotta say - Not a fan of the new Bhaal ending. I won't spoil it, but it's not for me and feels like you have no choice. That's probably the whole point. It does look cool as fuck though.

Haven't watched the control ending (No Bhaal). Hopefully you
don't have to kill your companions in that one.

Finished my second playthrough.
Next up, Durge run.
Pretty sure it's a law of nature that the third play be a bit on the evil side.

I love the Durge playthrough. Feels like the "Canon" route given the past games. Love some of the choices you are forced to make. I played through evil Durge with a Paladin Oathbreaker and a Sorcerer. Both OP, but Pally is wildly OP with the right build. Hell, a straight Pally no multiclass is just ridiculous.
 
I went and killed the water queen and her bodyguard. Ran away tho and let the others live. Now I have her weapons and her outfit. Tiara makes it look even better. Using the trident and the sickle thing. Need to figure out what to reclass from bard into. I respec to sword bard but I'm not feeling it compared to lore bard.

If I reclass to say....thief or whatever, what do I lose?
 
I went and killed the water queen and her bodyguard. Ran away tho and let the others live. Now I have her weapons and her outfit. Tiara makes it look even better. Using the trident and the sickle thing. Need to figure out what to reclass from bard into. I respec to sword bard but I'm not feeling it compared to lore bard.

If I reclass to say....thief or whatever, what do I lose?

I feel like you'd lose a lot. I haven't played Bard, but thief feels entirely different and would not be as solid with melee. What are you looking for? I am also not sure what the trident and sickle thing is. Is that two weapons for dual wielding? Or a specific weapon?

It also all depends on what you're looking for. Are you trying to min/max more or just have fun? If its the latter, go wild and do whatever. If you are trying to play on tactician or Honor mode, you'll definitely want to do the former.
 
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