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Babies Are Good​

A recent article published by Compact has sparked some debate on the right this week as the pro-life movement prepares to descend on the imperial city for the first March for Life after Roe.

The piece, titled “Make Birth Free,” by Catherine Glenn Foster & Kristen Day is a summary of a white paper the pair co-authored under the same name earlier this month. Foster, the president and CEO of Americans United for Life, and Day, the executive director of Democrats for Life of America argue both in the piece and the white paper that a federal program to eliminate costs associated with childbirth would not only lead to better infant and mother health outcomes but fewer abortions.

“Given the average cost of childbirth and the approximately 3.6 million annual births in the United States, a basic program to Make Birth Free would cost about $68 billion. But 42 percent of US births are already financed through Medicaid, meaning that only $39.5 billion of that amount would be new spending… If an additional $60 billion were allocated to assist with perinatal care, baby supplies, and expanded paid leave under the federal Family Medical Leave Act program, the total additional cost to Make Birth Free in America would still be less than $100 billion per year—about the same amount as US aid to Ukraine in 2022.”

More babies, healthy ones at that, and fewer abortions, for the cost of what lawmakers clamored to give Ukraine for just ten months? Sounds like a good deal. As the common refrain of the recently sworn in Sen. J.D. Vance of Ohio goes, “babies are good.” I wholeheartedly agree. If conservatives stand for anything, that should be it.

At other publications, however, the word “free” was a tripwire. Writing for National Review, Wesley J. Smith, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute’s Center on Human Exceptionalism, says, “the motivation for the proposal is laudable,” but later on claims such a program would lead to “ocialized medicine.”

Smith thinks he catches Foster and Day in a clever trap, one of limiting principles:

The questions have to be asked: Why not free cancer care to reduce the pressure to assisted suicide? Why not free nursing home care to prevent the elderly from being neglected or abused? The list of needs is very long, and the federal budget is already busted.

I have no principled objection to any of these things. My objections, rather, are based in prudence and experience with our current systems and regime.

If elder neglect and abuse would be substantially lessened by providing free nursing home care, maybe it would be something to consider. The experience of those in New York nursing homes during Covid-19 lead me to suggest that would not be the case.

As for providing free cancer care in the name of reducing rates of assisted suicide, that suggests assisted suicide is a legitimate practice. Sometimes, a blunt political instrument—in this case, a federal ban on assisted suicide passed by Congress or implemented by the courts—would be better for the task at hand.

If Smith had it his way, the government would “[establish] birth financial assistance funds through private philanthropic means and grants.” Such a system, Smith argues, “would accomplish many of the same goals promoted by AUL without granting more power to the federal government and increasing the national debt.”

Smith refuses to elaborate, but such a scheme doesn’t even pass the smell test. Without increasing the national debt? Where would the money for these financial assistance funds come from? Probably the government that created them.

As for handing less power over to the government, Smith’s program would likely give the government the same, if not more, power. In their white paper, however, Foster and Day preempt such critiques. When discussing why childbirth should be free rather than means tested, the pair writes, “administrative burdens, such as learning costs (to navigate complex bureaucratic systems) and compliance costs (time spent completing paperwork and collecting documentation, transportation, lost wages, child care, etc.), impose significant barriers to those seeking assistance. Many mothers and families would fail to participate due to the administrative burdens involved. A free birth paradigm is an accessible and easily administrable one.”

Smith thinks he escapes the administrative burden of his program by making government-funded philanthropies bear the bureaucratic burden of means testing each case. While that specific burden may be taken off the government’s shoulders, Smith’s plan wouldn’t lessen the government’s power. It’d simply put it in a different place, and further up the chain to even more adversarial parties at that. Which group actually threatens conservative causes more: case workers or the grant and compliance officials that have funded LGBTQ care and Big Pharma to the gills?

All this complexity for potentially the same, if not greater, perils, with the addition of one more major downside. Smith’s plan would forgo the American regime sending a powerful social message: babies are good, and their lives deserve protection.

You can almost hear their cries now. “But socialism! Don’t you know that conservatism is about freedom, free markets, and the Constitution!” In the American context, these things are true to different degrees. But freedom, markets, and the Constitution are but intermediate ends to a regime’s true end.

In the words of Aristotle in his Politics, “the end of the state is the good life… And the state is the union of families and villages in a perfect and self-sufficing life, by which we mean a happy and honorable life.” The happy life is defined elsewhere as, “the life according to virtue lived without impediment.” Christianity, the revelation of God’s plan for mankind incompletely known to Aristotle, informs us of what virtue is and where it comes from.

The state should lift us higher, bring us closer to God. To do that, sometimes it's better to use a hammer than a scalpel.
 
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>Relying on government
>On anything

That corrupt hive is more likely to spend millions towards their ability to fuck children than it is to spend a single dime towards a good deed that benefits everyone.

Why would the elitists want that. 'YOLO',
'live your best life', and 'only god can judge me'
are vastly more profitable.
Throw in purposely regressed medical technology (see cancer research and immunotherapy) as well as the erosion of the family unit through feminism and propaganda, the whole system is set up akin to a slaughterhouse. From birth to life, you are corralled towards your death. An end they prepared just for you.
 
Great, more handouts. If you can't afford to have children you shouldn't...we don't need any more useless eaters in this country.

What I'd do is provide more generous (but non-refundable) tax benefits to encourage larger families to offset the cost of raising children. People who produce and contribute should be supported where possible.
 
Abortion is a necessary option for mothers as it's important for our technologically advanced society to weed out physically-unable and mentally ill offpsring. This is the tipping point of humanity achieving superior offspring and evolutionarily advancing on our own terms. Yet, have we as a society come to accept degeneracy to the point we are lectured on natural sex by tribal Africans? How is it we can observe female animals employ abortion practices for the safety and welfare of mothers, yet condemn our own females who do the same? The antichrist continues to lead society down a path of degeneracy until all of our offspring are autistic, going through puberty early to appease pedophiles, our females raped by MtF transexuals, everyone eating the bugs, and owning nothing.

Retarded take.

Abortion, and birth control in general, makes it easy for women to have sex without commitment. The tragedy of female existence is that she can get just about any man to fuck her, but it's much harder to secure commitment. After getting fucked by athletes, CEOs, gangsters, etc, guys that really get her pussy wet, even if she settles down with a plumber or a programmer, she's not going to feel satisfied.

And the plumbers and programmers aren't necessarily going to want her after she's done having her fun. Maybe she already has a kid. And either way both parties know that she's only settling down because she failed to secure commitment from the guys that actually got her excited.

The availability of contraceptives lead to single motherhood or women remaining single past their childrearing years. It shifts the optimal mating strategy of males from K towards r-selection. The best way to pass on your genes in the society that we've created is to nut in as many women as you can with zero investment. Having an advanced society requires K-selection.

Nature still rules. It won't be outsmarted. The invention of abortion and contraceptives herald the end of civilization. Not everybody can see it yet, but it's coming.
 
Imagine society reaching the point that this title is designed to spark outrage
It's been this way for a while and is only getting worse. Only 46% of Americans believed that having a child was necessary to living a fulfilled life back in 1999 and the anti-natal propaganda has only been ramped up since then. Regardless of how you feel about eugenics or abortion or whatever, surely anyone sane can see the value in continuing the existence of the human race, right? I really don't understand the "don't ever have kids" push or why it's so damned effective on westerners.
 
"The imperial city" gives Washington D.C. WAAAAAY too much value. "The Hive of Rats" or "The Congregation of Vultures" would be much better names,

The article arguments however are flawed in 2 ways though: Firstly it assumes that the government should help raise kids. It shouldn't. That is how you end up with welfare babies and entire generations of complete and total state dependence. You are literally starting the lives of these people on the government dime, so they will grow up putting way too much stock on the government.

Secondly it assumes that D.C. and the "creatures" that reside there give the slightest ammount of fucks about anything other than their own pockets and furthering their own power plans. They don't.
I agree with your points, but I feel like these points often get brought up instead of what I consider the biggest problem with the American welfare system, the eugenics aspect. At it's core, it's a system that encourages the short sighted, irresponsible, and impulsive to breed at the direct expense of the forward planning responsible members of society. We literally impede on good people's ability to reproduce to provide unrestricted breeding to our worst elements. It's pure insanity, and I believe directly responsible for why American culture is so fucked up now.
 
I agree with your points, but I feel like these points often get brought up instead of what I consider the biggest problem with the American welfare system, the eugenics aspect. At it's core, it's a system that encourages the short sighted, irresponsible, and impulsive to breed at the direct expense of the forward planning responsible members of society. We literally impede on good people's ability to reproduce to provide unrestricted breeding to our worst elements. It's pure insanity, and I believe directly responsible for why American culture is so fucked up now.

Oh yeah the welfare is pretty much reverse eugenics. Or not even reverse if you consider that it is doing what the ruling elite wants and making sure there is a large population of cattle to consoom and keep the economy going so they can live their lives at the top.

And it is pretty much impossible to fix. If you try and encourage "positive" traits by such system you will end up with a even larger system, more beurocracy, more corruption, and of course it will never be allowed to pass because it would be racist to demand kids show up to school if their families want gibs (and even then what would they be learning? Government education, meaning it might end up not serving as education at all).

The only solution is to get rid of it and allow natural selection back.
 
Animals dont breed as well when they’re stressed. We are profoundly stressed as a society. I have kids and I work. I would MUCH rather just be a mum but our whole society is geared against that. Wages are low, taxes high, house prices are crazy. It’s very difficult in the uk to have a mum at home.
The answer isnt benefits and handouts it’s to make society once again have the family/extended family at its core. If we could have one wage earner, one at home, families living together you’d have childcare, elder care. You’d have families who are strong, which leads to strong stable communities, lower crime, and a stronger better society. If I’d been able to stay home and have my extended family close I’d have had more kids. Heck I’d have had ten of them.
Of course they want us weak and fragmented because that’s easier to control. It’s incredible to me that the idea of having families with kids, taking care of each other, is seen as some kind of radical idea.
 
I agree with your points, but I feel like these points often get brought up instead of what I consider the biggest problem with the American welfare system, the eugenics aspect. At it's core, it's a system that encourages the short sighted, irresponsible, and impulsive to breed at the direct expense of the forward planning responsible members of society. We literally impede on good people's ability to reproduce to provide unrestricted breeding to our worst elements. It's pure insanity, and I believe directly responsible for why American culture is so fucked up now.
There is the idea of welfare chauvinism. Not sure if any advocates of its policies have had any chance to implement them though.

The answer isnt benefits and handouts it’s to make society once again have the family/extended family at its core. If we could have one wage earner, one at home, families living together you’d have childcare, elder care. You’d have families who are strong, which leads to strong stable communities, lower crime, and a stronger better society. If I’d been able to stay home and have my extended family close I’d have had more kids. Heck I’d have had ten of them.
One wage earner in today's developed world economy doesn't really work well unless they have a really high paying job. Mothers having many children and functioning families can be given benefits at the government level such as the case in Hungary. Trying to make the standards of living better on an economic level could also probably help. If a nation doesn't want to take the short term solution of importing immigrants with no connection to the existing culture or land , domestic policy, natalism and economics can work together in harmony to create new generations that yes will take time to grow and raise but they will ensure the population remains stable and potentially save money on hospital bills as once young fathers and mothers age.

The alternative to this approach is the situation many first world countries are in now. There is also the other extreme which was showcased that one time Romania tried to make its country's population fifty percent larger.
 
It's been this way for a while and is only getting worse. Only 46% of Americans believed that having a child was necessary to living a fulfilled life back in 1999 and the anti-natal propaganda has only been ramped up since then. Regardless of how you feel about eugenics or abortion or whatever, surely anyone sane can see the value in continuing the existence of the human race, right? I really don't understand the "don't ever have kids" push or why it's so damned effective on westerners.
They believe that by letting Niggers inherit the earth they'll be forgiven of their original sin.
 
People won’t t have more babies until they feel they will be supported by having them. The problem is probably that ‘support’ looks very different to different groups of people.
1. I have a husband who is in a stable job, we’ve saved, and have family and community around us. I feel positive for the future and bringing more children into it.
2. The government gives me bennies for each kid, so no matter how many I have I’ll be housed and able to feed them.
3. I want to have a house and stable job but I had to live far from family, we rent and we have one child only because another one would really strain us financially.
Group 1 is going to have children. Maybe not as many as you’d like but they’ll have 1-2. Group 2 is goin g to pop out kids continually,
Group 3 is the group that supportive policies could help, subsidised childcare hours, maternity leave, and a general sense of hope for the future.
The problem with what’s described in the article is that it’s targeted, as most benefits are, to group 2 and group 2 isnt one you want to produce most of the births. Tax breaks for married couples with children, tax breaks to have a wife at home looking after them, those things might help, just making everything free is too broad a deal.
And responsible people aren’t breeding because they’re thirty by the time they’ve gotten through college and found a partner and a house. If you want more births you’re going to need to let women be mothers, which means not forcing them into the workplace in the first place
You forgot Group 4, those who want to be Group 1, but can't find a proper mate for whatever reason. This group will only grow, and nothing is being done to prevent this. If anything, this is only being encouraged by modern society, like Somchai said:
Retarded take.

Abortion, and birth control in general, makes it easy for women to have sex without commitment. The tragedy of female existence is that she can get just about any man to fuck her, but it's much harder to secure commitment. After getting fucked by athletes, CEOs, gangsters, etc, guys that really get her pussy wet, even if she settles down with a plumber or a programmer, she's not going to feel satisfied.

And the plumbers and programmers aren't necessarily going to want her after she's done having her fun. Maybe she already has a kid. And either way both parties know that she's only settling down because she failed to secure commitment from the guys that actually got her excited.

The availability of contraceptives lead to single motherhood or women remaining single past their childrearing years. It shifts the optimal mating strategy of males from K towards r-selection. The best way to pass on your genes in the society that we've created is to nut in as many women as you can with zero investment. Having an advanced society requires K-selection.

Nature still rules. It won't be outsmarted. The invention of abortion and contraceptives herald the end of civilization. Not everybody can see it yet, but it's coming.
 
Animals dont breed as well when they’re stressed. We are profoundly stressed as a society. I have kids and I work. I would MUCH rather just be a mum but our whole society is geared against that. Wages are low, taxes high, house prices are crazy. It’s very difficult in the uk to have a mum at home.
The answer isnt benefits and handouts it’s to make society once again have the family/extended family at its core. If we could have one wage earner, one at home, families living together you’d have childcare, elder care. You’d have families who are strong, which leads to strong stable communities, lower crime, and a stronger better society. If I’d been able to stay home and have my extended family close I’d have had more kids. Heck I’d have had ten of them.
Of course they want us weak and fragmented because that’s easier to control. It’s incredible to me that the idea of having families with kids, taking care of each other, is seen as some kind of radical idea.

I mostly agree but "benefits and handouts" have a place in supporting families.

You're not going to get from where we are now -> stable family formation without some welfare. it's just not gonna happen no matter how much it makes baby ayn rand cry.

you're in the UK though so you're pretty much fucked whatever happens
 
This is a fantastic way to wind up with a dead kid.

Happened to someone I know.

Huge, huge bummer.
They needed a better midwife, but that's certainly unfortunate, a hospital trip is certainly necessary as a last ditch means for survival if anything does go wrong.
 
nice try liberals, you cant use reverse psychology on me that easily
time for the baby genocide
 
I long for the early pioneer days when people lost their shit if they found out the government was handing out tax money for charity. I recall there was a particularly based governor who refused to pay government funds to keep people from starving after American Locusts had eaten all of their crops. Handouts were seen as something that did more harm long term than good short-term.

I'd be a huge hypocrite if I said I never received a handout, but I wouldn't mind living in a system where charity depended on strongly forged bonds of church and family and not on soulless bureaucrats or people who made a profit making sure the problems of society never got solved.
 
Republicans are worried about abortions when most people can't afford to have kids. Why not do something to actually improve the economy so people can afford to have kids again. Kind of pointless to worry about abortions when most people are just choosing not to have kids and abortions aren't even considered. All you are going to get is more niggers. I know, we need more niggers. This is why no one likes Republicans. Going on moral fag crusades instead of doing something useful. They still haven't learned from the midterms I see. Moral fag crusades cost you elections. No one cares about abortion anymore. Not even the people that used to give a shit about it. 2016 proved this.
 
Republicans are worried about abortions when most people can't afford to have kids. Why not do something to actually improve the economy so people can afford to have kids again. Kind of pointless to worry about abortions when most people are just choosing not to have kids and abortions aren't even considered. All you are going to get is more niggers. I know, we need more niggers. This is why no one likes Republicans. Going on moral fag crusades instead of doing something useful. They still haven't learned from the midterms I see. Moral fag crusades cost you elections. No one cares about abortion anymore. Not even the people that used to give a shit about it. 2016 proved this.
I still care. I care a lot, I don't like seeing innocent children murdered for their mother's convenience. But I do agree that it won't do anything to start proper families. It'll just result in single mothers and abandonment. If they want to encourage families, they need to fix the economy and, frankly, fix women. Democrats cater to single women while Republicans cater to married women. They need to start listening to men again.
 
Of course babies are good.

Their flesh is very nutritious and you could snap their necks off so you could drink it's blood during a long jog or a satanic ritual.
 
I still care. I care a lot, I don't like seeing innocent children murdered for their mother's convenience. But I do agree that it won't do anything to start proper families. It'll just result in single mothers and abandonment. If they want to encourage families, they need to fix the economy and, frankly, fix women. Democrats cater to single women while Republicans cater to married women. They need to start listening to men again.
Of course. Let's let all the niggers mudsharks drug addicts and feminists keep their kids. We need more people like them anyway.
 
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