🐱 Atlus Needs To Stop Failing Its Queer Characters

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For years, Atlus has teased the possibility of queer characters and storylines in its selection of games before pulling the rug out from beneath us. Many of these instances likely weren’t even deliberate, but the subtext is there, and thus the hurtful treatment of LGBTQ+ themes across its growing library is a difficult thing to overlook. As a pansexual trans woman who grew up with the likes of Persona and Catherine, watching as things have failed to evolve and arguably even regressed is such a downer, cementing the problematic ways Atlus has tackled LGBTQ+ representation. The studio consistently fails to realise how some of its narrative ideas come across to an audience trying so hard to love them.

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Catherine: Full Body is the most hurtful example. While Persona 5 has a lot of issues regarding its adult romances and inconsistent treatment of women, the remastered puzzler hits closest to home. This is thanks to Rin, a new character introduced as part of the expanded storyline who appears to be a transgender woman. She flirts with protagonist Vincent Brooks and establishes a relationship built around music, common interests, and ensuring Rin has a place of comfort and care to call her own while recovering her memories. It’s a cute bond, but one compounded by needlessly bigoted rhetoric and a conclusion that comes so, so close to being a positive example of queer representation. Sadly, that’s thrown away in service of either nothing, or a climax so absurd that it borders on cowardly. There seems to have been a little willingness from Atlus to embrace the thematic layering it puts in place, but alas, it all comes tumbling down.

Partway through the campaign, an intimate encounter between Rin and Vincent reveals that she has a penis, and therefore - in the eyes of the game - is a man. Female pronouns are swapped out for male ones, and

Vincent now treats the character with a mixture of genuine love and hesitant awkwardness because of what she has between her legs. It’s the tired and cliched trans panic trope that has been used as a punchline for decades by cisgender creators who see something comedic in the idea of men being disgusted or tricked by women they thought were cis. In reality, situations like this have gotten people killed - they still do - and making light of them leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Rin is otherwise treated with compassion, her amnesia seeing customers of the Stray Sheep treating her as a permanent member of the establishment as she befriends and serenades them, eventually saving men with her music in the treacherous dreams Vincent must navigate. But this all comes crashing down because of the problematic tropes around her.

She’s a cute girl who plays the piano and talks about her fractured memories, and this narrative will either be expanded upon or abandoned depending on your own decisions. If you pursue Katherine or Catherine’s storyline, Rin more or less disappears from the game entirely after her true identity is revealed and Vincent struggles to apologise. He comes across as feeling extremely guilty for his actions, but the damage has been done, with the game trying to pass Rin off as male crossdresser despite their character being trans-coded in so many obvious ways.

Her outfit is based on the Trans Pride flag for one thing, but meaningful symbolism like this is abandoned in favour of a storyline that concludes with either Rin transforming into an alien, holding a special concert, or as is the fate of many fictional - and real - trans women, being murdered. No matter the outcome, Catherine: Full Body never makes up for its biggest mistakes. Obviously it's important to consider the cultural definitions of LGBTQ+ identities in Japan and how they might be portrayed in media, but it shouldn't excuse damaging depictions like this, more so when games are knowingly developed with a global audience in mind.

Going back in time to Persona 4, Atlus once again saw itself falling victim to painful cliches and harmful tropes associated with queer individuals. Kanji Tatsumi’s character arc in Persona 4 has him shedding his tough guy persona in favour of something softer, while simultaneously accepting his bisexuality and attraction to both genders. It’s a touching realisation on the surface, but dialogue focused on gay panic rob it of so much substance. Persona 3 has a scene taking place on a beach where a trans woman is depicted as a sexual predator, outed when a piece of stubble is noticed by the other characters.

Persona 5 isn’t outwardly transphobic or homophobic, though one scene in the original release has Ryuji being pursued by two homosexual men shown as sexual deviants. It’s crass and outdated, and with all of these games having the same director, it’s an uncomfortable pattern of bigotry that has become increasingly difficult to ignore. There’s a worrying trend here, one that is further solidified when you consider Persona’s troubling depiction of women and how it struggles to provide them with agency that isn’t tied to their figure, sex appeal, or relationship to a male character. There’s some bright spots to be found, but these pale in comparison to the grossness found throughout so many of these games.

When Catherine: Full Body was first revealed, its marketing centered around Rin’s true identity. Much of the art saw her skirt being lifted into the air, held in place by her hands and mouth as attention was deliberately drawn to her genitals. We obviously couldn’t see the full picture, but it was so easy to tell that trans panic was going to be incorporated into her story in a way that was lazy and hurtful. I said as much at the time, and was right, even if it didn’t venture to the worst places it could have done.

But it still sucks, and the fact Atlus clearly flirts with the idea of queer representation and even incorporates such identities into its roster of heroes, it also seems just as willing to label them as outcasts or make fun of them in service of a cheap joke. Persona will celebrate its 25th anniversary later this year, and I hope looking back on this legacy will remind Atlus how badly it needs to move forward when it comes to doing justice for LGBTQ+ people, and to stop treating them as a punchline.
 
Never played Catherine so correct me if I'm wrong. Is Rin not a male alien crossdresser or something? I know troons love claiming male cross dressers in animeshit as their own and all but calling that fruitcake a troon is a bit of a stretch.
 
Is it me, or are these faggots really have it out for ATLUS? Like, there are other japanese gaming companys that could be considered "Problematic."
 
Kanji is a faggot tho lol. And Rin crossdresses. Erica the waitress is trans and iirc she's dating the blonde guy with the beanie in the ending.
 
Never played Catherine so correct me if I'm wrong. Is Rin not a male alien crossdresser or something? I know troons love claiming male cross dressers in animeshit as their own and all but calling that fruitcake a troon is a bit of a stretch.
I haven't played it, but from what I remember of the cutscenes I watched it is definitively stated that Rin identifies as a dude and considers himself and Vincent to be a gay couple. This is the "Naoto is trans" shit all over again.
 
For years, Atlus has teased the possibility of queer characters and storylines in its selection of games before pulling the rug out from beneath us.

Oh have they?

Many of these instances likely weren’t even deliberate, but the subtext is there,

So, they have not.

Thanks for clearing that up, you self-absorbed headcanon-fetishizing melodramatic tranny faggot trying to meet your 800 word minimum so you can afford avocado toast and HRT.
 
Shin Megami Tensai is pretty niche. If the sjws are trying to ruin this there's no hope for anything.
 
Rin is a male indentified crossdresser who at one point refers to Vinent and himself as a same-sex couple.

Silly Kiwi, the people who write this junk don't play games. They just gush over muh LGBTUVWXYZ representation or the lack thereof. Everything even remotely not cishet male scum related is accused of being queerbaiting unless it's played out exactly how the author wants it to go.

I think the Persona fandom has a fair bit of people who don 't care about the games that much and just want to ship characters. Dangan Ropa or whatever it's called had that problem too. They cared more about what was in a teen character's pants than what was going on in game.

Shin Megami Tensai is pretty niche. If the sjws are trying to ruin this there's no hope for anything.

Once niche games get infected the real fans gets crybullied out of their spaces so weebs can ship and draw everyone with top surgery scars and neopronouns. Nothing is safe anymore.
 
Oh look ATLUS! I guess removing an alternate ending scenario of Erica never transitioning was a fucking waste of time and credibility! THEY WILL NEVER LIKE YOU NOR PAY YOU FOR TRYING.

When Catherine: Full Body was first revealed, its marketing centered around Rin’s true identity. Much of the art saw her skirt being lifted into the air, held in place by her hands and mouth as attention was deliberately drawn to her genitals.
Can't speak on Persona but since Catherine is one of the few games I've played after entering my mid-20s (when i wasn't busy smoking, drinking and working for a living), allow me to poke holes into this jackass' troon tirade.

Rin, like Catherine and Katherine, had marketing images that had one that was heavily suggestive for a fucking M rated game about relationships. This is the one he/she is referring to.

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While leaving out that this is on-brand for "Catherine" since these were the fucking boxarts for the original.
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If Atlus didn't do that for Rin too then they would've had a point. But they don't. They never do really.

We obviously couldn’t see the full picture, but it was so easy to tell that trans panic was going to be incorporated into her story in a way that was lazy and hurtful. I said as much at the time, and was right, even if it didn’t venture to the worst places it could have done.

What's lazy and hurtful is giving this monkey a keyboard and money while others get squat for the truth. The bitch did not play the game or at least watch someone play through Rin's route.

Vincent discovered Rin's dong and did freak out but realized (in part thanks to Erica, an actual tranny) that gender shouldn't matter when you love someone. He gets slapped by a guy friend because keep in mind: Vincent is still dating Katherine (glasses) while Catherine (blonde) and Rin are making him try cheating. Cheating with a bimbo blonde is bad enough but to cheat with a fucking crossdresser is lemon juice in the wound. Depending on your choices, Vincent hooks up with Rin and they're happy together.

Someone suggested Rin should've been smooth down there. Vincent's whole situation was caused by letting his dick take the helm. To choose the purest form of love for someone without sex would have been interesting for him. Especially since Rin's an angel. Celibacy is known to "help be closer to God" in some religions.
But Japan had to have their ladyboys and we have to have our CatParty articles. Take the bad with the good?
 
Shin Megami Tensai is pretty niche. If the sjws are trying to ruin this there's no hope for anything.
I know some people are saying the new Shin Megami Tensai 5 protagonist is trans/non-binary or some other Tumblr meme gender, all because he's super androgynous. We truly can't have nice things *sigh*.
 
I know some people are saying the new Shin Megami Tensai 5 protagonist is trans/non-binary or some other Tumblr meme gender, all because he's super androgynous. We truly can't have nice things *sigh*.
The worst part is none of the fuckers actually play the games because SMT is way too hard for them. Or they would have known the androgynous (fujobait) MC is an Atlus staple. They should stick to their Persona crap. I just hope Atlus doesn't listen to their nonsense.
 
Nothing is ever good enough for these so called "fans" of JRPGs. There were two okamas who flirt with Ryuji at the beach and he runs away. The uwu troons deemed it problematic since he didn't like the gay characters. As a side note, they edited the Steins Gate visual novel since you have a chance to swoon Ruka and they made sure not to make any of the dialogue come across as "transphobic" regarding the character. The fuck? He's a dude and in one timeline is actually a woman. I loathe these types.
 
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Surprised this writer didn't trot out Laharl from Disgaea, he's always hated women(especially curvy women) to the point that it becomes a series of talents/evilities where you get bonuses or penalties based on the gender and chest-size of the units you're interacting with. He also gets magically turned into a busty female form as an extra character in several sequels, co-existing with the original male kid form.
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I always kinda thought Kanji was never gay or bi. I thought his dungeon was the way it was because he was confused by his enjoyment of traditionally feminine things and his attraction to Naoto, who he thinks is male. He never acts attracted to other males, just that one.
 
Persona 5 isn’t outwardly transphobic or homophobic, though one scene in the original release has Ryuji being pursued by two homosexual men shown as sexual deviants. It’s crass and outdated
Nah, that's hilarious, you are only jelly that in the end of the game you cannot spank Yusuke's ass.
 
I always kinda thought Kanji was never gay or bi. I thought his dungeon was the way it was because he was confused by his enjoyment of traditionally feminine things and his attraction to Naoto, who he thinks is male. He never acts attracted to other males, just that one.
Right, he isn't. Trannies have a bad habit of claiming fictional character and historical figures as queer.
 
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