Asia Bibi

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A few things have happened recently pertaining to the Asia Bibi case, so I decided to make a thread on them. Especially since it seems like more might be happening in the near future.

For those of you who aren't aware, Asia Bibi (aka Aasiya Noreen) is a Christian Pakistani woman who has been the subject of an ongoing blasphemy trial for the past 7 years. From the Wiki article

Aasiya Noreen was born and raised in Ittan Wali, a small, rural village in the Sheikhupura District of Punjab, Pakistan,[6][7] thirty miles outside of Lahore.[8] Christians in the district, and elsewhere in Pakistan, usually have lower class occupations such as being cleaners and sweepers.[8] Noreen, who is a Roman Catholic,[9] worked as a farmhand in Sheikhupura to support her family.[9] She married Ashiq Masih, a brick laborer who had three children from a previous marriage,[10] and had two more children with him.[11][12] Noreen and her family were the only Christians in the village.[13]Before her incarceration, she had been repeatedly urged by her fellow workers to convert to Islam.[14]

In June 2009, Noreen was harvesting falsa berries with a group of other farmhands in a field in Sheikhupura.[9] She was asked at one point to fetch water from a nearby well;[4] she complied but stopped to take a drink with an old metal cup she had found lying next to the well.[10][15] A neighbor of Noreen, who had been involved in a running feud with Noreen's family about some property damage,[1] saw her and angrily told her that it was forbidden for a Christian to drink water from the same utensil from which Muslims drink, and some of the other workers considered her to be unclean because she was a Christian.[10] Some arguments ensued.[16] Noreen recounts that when they made derogatory statements about her religion, she responded, "I believe in my religion and in Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for the sins of mankind. What did your Prophet Mohammed ever do to save mankind?"[10][15]

Later, some of the workers complained to a cleric that Noreen insulted Muhammad. What they accused her of saying, which would be stated in the later court verdict, differs from her version.[17] A mob came to her house, beating her and members of her family before she was rescued by the police.[4] The police initiated an investigation about her remarks, resulting in her arrest under Section 295 C of the Pakistan Penal Code.[3] She subsequently was imprisoned for over a year before being formally charged.

Tl;dr- A Christian woman in an overwhelmingly Muslim country gets arrested and sentenced to death for daring to drink from the same well as Muslims and then defending herself and her faith when they attacked her.

The case is very notable for resulting in the assassinations of two politicians, Salmaan Taseer and Shahbaz Bhatti. Both Taseer and Bhatti publicly supported Asia and condemned Pakistan's archaic and backwards blasphemy law, which is frequently abused to settle disputes (non-Muslims are particularly vulnerable, but many Muslims are targeted as well). Taseer in particular attracted a lot of attention due to being a governor and a Sunni Muslim (Bhatti was a Christian). He was assassinated by his own bodyguard, Mumtaz Qadri. Qadri was executed for his crime in February of this year, which resulted in massive backlash; literally tens of thousands of people protested and marched and rioted in honor of Qadri, whom they see as a "martyr" who did his duty of protecting Islam.

Asia was sentenced to death for blasphemy, and she has been undergoing appeals for years now. Her case was supposed to receive its final hearing this month, but it was once again postponed. The future of her case appears to be uncertain after a senior judge who was to preside over her appeal suddenly resigned, most likely due to fear of being assassinated like Tasser and Bhatti. And just yesterday, a mob of hundreds took part in coordinated mass demonstrations across Pakistan, chanting slogans and holding banners as they called for the death of Asia Bibi.

And that's the real tragedy of this case. As abhorrent and inhumane as it seems to us (and most of the world) to keep a mother of two on death row just because she might have said something negative about Muhammad, tons of people in Pakistan wholeheartedly support it; the ones who don't are kept in line by the extremists.

So yeah, fuck Pakistan.
 
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Executing Christians for drinking water in addition to providing sanctuary for Osama bin Laden. Lets send these savages more tax money!
 
I like how there is an appeals process , like it's totally a legitimate law system you guys! Sure appeals don't matter much if you can make judges resign out of fear of assassination, but they have them and that's what counts!
 
The biggest reason Pakistan continues to be a relentlessly awful shithole is because it's spent the last few decades being the primary laboratory and testing grounds for Saudi Arabia's export of Wahhabism, aka the most violent, backwards and fundamentalist form of Islam. In the guise of foreign aid, the Saudis spent millions (if not billions) funding imams, mosques and (most insidiously) the madrassas which make up most of Pakistan's educational system because the country is too much of a garbage dump to build its own schools. The Saudis now apply this model of evangelism to every other shithole on Earth that has a strong Muslim population.

Showering this dumpster fire of a country in ICBMs would probably be a net improvement for mankind.
 
Why do we even give these backwards savages the time of day? We should pour a fuckton of money into alternative energy and tell the Saudis and their allies to fuck off to the stone age where they belong.
 
Why do we even give these backwards savages the time of day? We should pour a fuckton of money into alternative energy and tell the Saudis and their allies to fuck off to the stone age where they belong.
Because the Clinton foundation wouldn't have any money
 
Asia is the kind of person Europe should be desperate to bring as as legitimate "refugees" of religious intolerance, not the barbaric fuckwits who pretend they're from Syria to get economic handouts and make a mess of everything.
 
She's named after a continent.
Imagine if we named people North America.
 
At this point, it doesn't matter if she's freed or executed, the only difference is whether it's a legal-system-approved mob that kills her or just a random mob that drags her from her car on her way home - unless, of course, she is directly whisked away and given refuge in some non-shittastic part of the earth...

And on the other hand, geez, I could really need some tumblrtard that explains to me how christians can't be the victims of discrimination.
 
Why do we even give these backwards savages the time of day? We should pour a fuckton of money into alternative energy and tell the Saudis and their allies to fuck off to the stone age where they belong.

Because sadly a lot of the tech that you produce is still reliant on Oil and Oil derivatives, we are a long way off before the mirical materials that have been talked about like nanotubes and graphine to become commonplace and the need for oil and oil based products to become either not a concern or truely replaceable with synthetics (i'm aware that there is lots of synthetic lubricants but they are normally for special tasks or not designed / able to be used in normal day to day application).

Imagine if we named people North America.

Let me introduce you to Richard Amerike.
 
I read somewhere that 90% of Pakistani women are victims of physical and sexual abuse by their husbands.

The reasons why include cooking an unsatisfactory meal, or not providing a male child.

So yeah, fuck Pakistan
 
At this point, it doesn't matter if she's freed or executed, the only difference is whether it's a legal-system-approved mob that kills her or just a random mob that drags her from her car on her way home - unless, of course, she is directly whisked away and given refuge in some non-shittastic part of the earth...

Exactly. Even if she is acquitted and set free, there are scores of people in Pakistan who would fall all over themselves to get the honor of killing her. Her only chance of survival is being given asylum in the United States or Europe. Fortunately, Western governments have spoken out in support of her so they'd probably be willing to take her in. Asia is actually pretty lucky in that her case has attracted a lot of international attention, unlike most cases.
 
Because sadly a lot of the tech that you produce is still reliant on Oil and Oil derivatives, we are a long way off before the mirical materials that have been talked about like nanotubes and graphine to become commonplace and the need for oil and oil based products to become either not a concern or truely replaceable with synthetics (i'm aware that there is lots of synthetic lubricants but they are normally for special tasks or not designed / able to be used in normal day to day application).


Regardless of how it happens it will be a slow gradual process of reducing imports so i think a more interesting question is how the east will react geopolitically to the ever declining value of oil in the coming years. If it even gets close to a point were we could cut off on a major exporter like Saudi Arabia or Russia like we did with Iran and still stay afloat they would try to make sure that couldn't happen by destabilizing some countries and forging economic alliance's with others to control the price.

Theirs a reason why Russia is showing off its nukes and why Saudi Arabia spends more money on there military then anyone else in the world.
 
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interesting question is how the east will react geopolitically to the ever declining value of oil in the coming years

That will be interesting for sure, about the only resource that region has is Oil once that goes or nose dives that part of the world will implode, Saudi in particular have prity much squandered the income from oil on living the high life as a people and not built any real viable infrastructure, and what they have built isn't all that good.

they would try to make sure that couldn't happen by destabilizing some countries and forging economic alliance's with others to control the price.

To be honest I don't see that happening the middle east isn't homogenous and is divided not just along sectarian lines, there is political divisions, deep seated tribal issues, hell even geographical issues that are a cluster fuck to untangle. In that part of the world most countries hate each other and only don't duke it out is because they currently have oil money coming in prolonging their existence and anything that upset's that balance for now is off the table.

Theirs a reason why Russia is showing off its nukes

Russia has been doing that for a very long time, every time they have problems at home they rollout some vast new accomplishment in weapons tech to prop up the current political ideology when it shows signs of being wobbly, they have been doing it since the fall of the USSR and they will continue to do it until the legacy of the Soviet era political education and theory no longer hold any sway.

why Saudi Arabia spends more money on there military then anyone else in the world.

The problem is they are not very good at you know the fighting part of having a army, unless the odd's are massively in there favor the saudi armed forces are more likely to do a runner than stand and fight, they might have lot's of expensive European and American designed weapons systems but for the most part they have no real idea how to use them and the maintenance leaves a lot to be desired from my understanding.

Combine that with the fact that in Europe it's starting to get talked about that Selling Saudi arms isn't always a good idea because they don't keep track of them very well and can and do wind up on the black market in the hands of people we don't want to have weapons.
 
Because sadly a lot of the tech that you produce is still reliant on Oil and Oil derivatives, we are a long way off before the mirical materials that have been talked about like nanotubes and graphine to become commonplace and the need for oil and oil based products to become either not a concern or truely replaceable with synthetics

They all cost more (in terms of energy) to synthesize than they'd release in burning them. For an energy source to be worth anything, that has to be opposite.
 
They all cost more (in terms of energy) to synthesize than they'd release in burning them. For an energy source to be worth anything, that has to be opposite.

I'm not even talking about them being burned for energy, a lot of the more experimental stuff used as building materials or even as lubricants are either dangerous (well more dangerous than current oil's), not designed for long term use or like you said seriously expensive.

That's also putting asside that a lot of these things we are currently talking about being able to be used are still prity much either small scale lab experiments that shows promise, or really hard to make with current methods. That may or may not have practical applications in there current form.
 
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