War Armed mob seizes Hong Kong train station - Anarchy In The HK

UQ 770 · Jul 22, 2019

AltisticRight said:
One must say though, if HK acted like Macau which is pretty much untouched, nothing really would have escalated like this.

It occurs to me I actually don't know all that much about Macau. I'd always assumed that Portugal just dumped them and left them to the wolves while Hong Kong had more western protection. Do they still have a separate system like Hong Kong or its it mostly Chinese supremacy at this point?

Stoneheart · Jul 22, 2019

Macau is tiny compared to HK and pretty much one giant casino where the Chinese Elite washes their money.

UQ 770 · Jul 22, 2019

Stoneheart said:
Macau is tiny compared to HK and pretty much one giant casino where the Chinese Elite washes their money.

I pretty much figured that was the case.

ConfederateIrishman · Jul 22, 2019

So lets say China cracks down, HARD on Hong Kong.

Realistically, what sort of diplomatic tools would western nations use to retaliate? Or is this the sort of thing where the west is conspicuously silent and China then feels emboldened?

Inquisitor_BadAss · Jul 22, 2019

ConfederateIrishman said:
So lets say China cracks down, HARD on Hong Kong.

Realistically, what sort of diplomatic tools would western nations use to retaliate? Or is this the sort of thing where the west is conspicuously silent and China then feels emboldened?

China relies massively on coal, specifically Australian coal. While yes recently more “sustainable” methods have taken over coal power plants are still heavily relied upon.

Steel exports are another big thing for the Chinese which are bought mainly in the US and Europe. China would then be forced to rely on Africa for energy imports a notoriously unstable continent. Finally the new Silk Rail Road they’re pinning a lot of hopes on that instead of shipping. While Ivan won’t care trains being stopped at the eu border will be another huge hassle.

Terminus Est · Jul 22, 2019

CWCissey said:
But is anyone fucking with Chin yet?

Chin is being unleashed

A Logging Company · Jul 24, 2019

Another train attack, #PrayForHongkong is now trending on twitter. Attached are videos being spread around:

You would think a Technocratic state like China would figure you can't pull shit like this off in the 21st century without having a massive PR disaster. It would be one thing if they were beating a uniformed group, but the people being beaten look like average train commuters. Even if this is a campaign to instill terror and fear into the populace, I don't think the visceral fear and desire for normalcy will make up for the hate and resentment this is causing for Beijing and the government in general.

MrTickles · Jul 24, 2019

If you are able to read/understand Chinese or Hongkongnese and watch the full original video, you will find that the so-called 'passengers' are mostly protesters and the human resource gathered by the parliamentary who's opinion is HK independence from PRC. Many of them wear blackish T-shirts, so they call them BT. Maybe some or a few of them are ordinary citizens who were in the subway and all out of sudden the BT guys rushed in and WT guys are chasing them.

The white T-shirts (WT) are organized by the local residents to 'fight' against BT because of their invasion (The Yuen Long district is not included in the protest authorization yesterday). There are several reasons why they are fighting: 1. The WT does not agree with the claim of splitting the country 2. BT guys keep on calling names of WT and saying 'come on', ' beat me', and etc. 3. according to the Propaganda Department of 'BT side', they want to 'reveal' the dark of pro-unite group of people to fight for more human resource for protesters.

The police conclusion of this: Streetfight. I believe what you saw in the video is the losing side retreating from the home field of WT's. They both are 'players' in this violent activity and they also both are the victim of this organized country splitting conspiracy.

TLDR: All the local residents are sick and tired of this bullshit protest by stupid kids. Since the Chinese government is too soft, these angry HK residents are taking matters into their own hands.

A Humble Ewok said:
Another train attack, #PrayForHongkong is now trending on twitter. Attached are videos being spread around:
You would think a Technocratic state like China would figure you can't pull shit like this off in the 21st century without having a massive PR disaster. It would be one thing if they were beating a uniformed group, but the people being beaten look like average train commuters. Even if this is a campaign to instill terror and fear into the populace, I don't think the visceral fear and desire for normalcy will make up for the hate and resentment this is causing for Beijing and the government in general.

You're just presenting one side of the whole picture.

And PR is fleeting. West would continue to suckle at the teet of Chinese consumer goods and the developing world would continue to provide it with all the raw resources it needs.

China could send in the army, deport all 7 million hong kong residents to uighur re-education camps then repopulate the city with young entrepreneurs loyal to Beijing from nearby Shenzhen in the space of...1 week. Wouldn't even affect the useless, parasitic (it produces nothing) economy of Hong Kong long term.

This is just one of the array of options you're contending with that is freely available to Beijing. All this bleating is pathetic. Be a man. Take your fate like a man. And stop being blinded by a single propaganda arm. China will grow larger.

mr.moon1488 · Jul 24, 2019

ConfederateIrishman said:
So lets say China cracks down, HARD on Hong Kong.

Realistically, what sort of diplomatic tools would western nations use to retaliate? Or is this the sort of thing where the west is conspicuously silent and China then feels emboldened?

What will most likely happen?
Western nations wont do jack shit. You likely wont even hear any condemnations other than maybe something from Trump.
What would be the best peaceful solution?
Infiltrate any assets the Chinese are using to shut down the pro-democracy faction, and expose them. At the same time, move a carrier fleet near Hong Kong in order to scare China out of a military crackdown.
What would be the best military solution?
Arm the pro-democracy faction with Chinese made weapons so as to force the government to suspect traitors within their military. Send in special forces units to assassinate key Triad leadership. Even if the units are found out, if China bitches about it, they'll be admitting to using organized crime groups.

Florence · Jul 25, 2019

MrTickles said:
If you are able to read/understand Chinese or Hongkongnese and watch the full original video, you will find that the so-called 'passengers' are mostly protesters and the human resource gathered by the parliamentary who's opinion is HK independence from PRC. Many of them wear blackish T-shirts, so they call them BT. Maybe some or a few of them are ordinary citizens who were in the subway and all out of sudden the BT guys rushed in and WT guys are chasing them.

The white T-shirts (WT) are organized by the local residents to 'fight' against BT because of their invasion (The Yuen Long district is not included in the protest authorization yesterday). There are several reasons why they are fighting: 1. The WT does not agree with the claim of splitting the country 2. BT guys keep on calling names of WT and saying 'come on', ' beat me', and etc. 3. according to the Propaganda Department of 'BT side', they want to 'reveal' the dark of pro-unite group of people to fight for more human resource for protesters.

The police conclusion of this: Streetfight. I believe what you saw in the video is the losing side retreating from the home field of WT's. They both are 'players' in this violent activity and they also both are the victim of this organized country splitting conspiracy.

TLDR: All the local residents are sick and tired of this bullshit protest by stupid kids. Since the Chinese government is too soft, these angry HK residents are taking matters into their own hands.

You're just presenting one side of the whole picture.

And PR is fleeting. West would continue to suckle at the teet of Chinese consumer goods and the developing world would continue to provide it with all the raw resources it needs.

China could send in the army, deport all 7 million hong kong residents to uighur re-education camps then repopulate the city with young entrepreneurs loyal to Beijing from nearby Shenzhen in the space of...1 week. Wouldn't even affect the useless, parasitic (it produces nothing) economy of Hong Kong long term.

This is just one of the array of options you're contending with that is freely available to Beijing. All this bleating is pathetic. Be a man. Take your fate like a man. And stop being blinded by a single propaganda arm. China will grow larger.

Yeah, a random group of ‘local residents’ who just happen to be wearing the exact same outfits when they decided to assault innocent people? Pull the other one mate, it’s got bells on.

MrTickles · Jul 25, 2019

NotAKitty said:
Yeah, a random group of ‘local residents’ who just happen to be wearing the exact same outfits when they decided to assault innocent people? Pull the other one mate, it’s got bells on.

The full time activist protestors wear black, these guys wore white to identify as counter-protesters.

Rikka Takarada 2 · Jul 25, 2019

Just in case anyone doesn't know: white shirts are being worn by Government backed thugs, who have been seen getting chummy with senior HK police figures and at least one traitor- sorry "pro-Beijing lawmaker". The real protestors wear black.

Your Weird Fetish · Jul 25, 2019

MrTickles said:
If you are able to read/understand Chinese or Hongkongnese and watch the full original video, you will find that the so-called 'passengers' are mostly protesters and the human resource gathered by the parliamentary who's opinion is HK independence from PRC. Many of them wear blackish T-shirts, so they call them BT. Maybe some or a few of them are ordinary citizens who were in the subway and all out of sudden the BT guys rushed in and WT guys are chasing them.

The white T-shirts (WT) are organized by the local residents to 'fight' against BT because of their invasion (The Yuen Long district is not included in the protest authorization yesterday). There are several reasons why they are fighting: 1. The WT does not agree with the claim of splitting the country 2. BT guys keep on calling names of WT and saying 'come on', ' beat me', and etc. 3. according to the Propaganda Department of 'BT side', they want to 'reveal' the dark of pro-unite group of people to fight for more human resource for protesters.

The police conclusion of this: Streetfight. I believe what you saw in the video is the losing side retreating from the home field of WT's. They both are 'players' in this violent activity and they also both are the victim of this organized country splitting conspiracy.

TLDR: All the local residents are sick and tired of this bullshit protest by stupid kids. Since the Chinese government is too soft, these angry HK residents are taking matters into their own hands.

You're just presenting one side of the whole picture.

And PR is fleeting. West would continue to suckle at the teet of Chinese consumer goods and the developing world would continue to provide it with all the raw resources it needs.

China could send in the army, deport all 7 million hong kong residents to uighur re-education camps then repopulate the city with young entrepreneurs loyal to Beijing from nearby Shenzhen in the space of...1 week. Wouldn't even affect the useless, parasitic (it produces nothing) economy of Hong Kong long term.

This is just one of the array of options you're contending with that is freely available to Beijing. All this bleating is pathetic. Be a man. Take your fate like a man. And stop being blinded by a single propaganda arm. China will grow larger.

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MadDamon · Jul 25, 2019

NotAKitty said:
Yeah, a random group of ‘local residents’ who just happen to be wearing the exact same outfits when they decided to assault innocent people? Pull the other one mate, it’s got bells on.

isn't the group being assaulted also wearing same coloured outfits ?
I just feels like it is just part of the story that is shown here.
it could be a situation of the assaulted group started the fight and lose, and thus retreating and the other group continue to beat the dog. it could be it is an unreasonable assault from the other group
who knows?

Florence · Jul 25, 2019

MadDamon said:
isn't the group being assaulted also wearing same coloured outfits ?

Yeah, because they’re deliberately choosing to do so as a way of showing solidarity with the movement. Wearing a specific outfit implies a high level of organisation, which doesn’t fit with the claim that the men who assaulted them were just random angry locals.

MadDamon said:
it could be a situation of the assaulted group started the fight and lose, and thus retreating and the other group continue to beat the dog.

Somehow, I doubt a group of peaceful protestors are going to start street fighting as soon as they get back home. That, and the guys in white were suspiciously well-armed and prepared for a random fight.

Alec Benson Leary · Jul 25, 2019

A Humble Ewok said:
You would think a Technocratic state like China would figure you can't pull shit like this off in the 21st century without having a massive PR disaster. It would be one thing if they were beating a uniformed group, but the people being beaten look like average train commuters. Even if this is a campaign to instill terror and fear into the populace, I don't think the visceral fear and desire for normalcy will make up for the hate and resentment this is causing for Beijing and the government in general.

This is the Middle Kingdom we're talking about. I honestly think the politburo have always been narcissistic enough that they just don't understand why bad PR can't be handwaved away.

A Logging Company · Jul 25, 2019

MrTickles said:
If you are able to read/understand Chinese or Hongkongnese and watch the full original video, you will find that the so-called 'passengers' are mostly protesters and the human resource gathered by the parliamentary who's opinion is HK independence from PRC. Many of them wear blackish T-shirts, so they call them BT. Maybe some or a few of them are ordinary citizens who were in the subway and all out of sudden the BT guys rushed in and WT guys are chasing them.

The white T-shirts (WT) are organized by the local residents to 'fight' against BT because of their invasion (The Yuen Long district is not included in the protest authorization yesterday). There are several reasons why they are fighting: 1. The WT does not agree with the claim of splitting the country 2. BT guys keep on calling names of WT and saying 'come on', ' beat me', and etc. 3. according to the Propaganda Department of 'BT side', they want to 'reveal' the dark of pro-unite group of people to fight for more human resource for protesters.

The police conclusion of this: Streetfight. I believe what you saw in the video is the losing side retreating from the home field of WT's. They both are 'players' in this violent activity and they also both are the victim of this organized country splitting conspiracy.

China could send in the army, deport all 7 million hong kong residents to uighur re-education camps then repopulate the city with young entrepreneurs loyal to Beijing from nearby Shenzhen in the space of...1 week. Wouldn't even affect the useless, parasitic (it produces nothing) economy of Hong Kong long term.

This is just one of the array of options you're contending with that is freely available to Beijing. All this bleating is pathetic. Be a man. Take your fate like a man. And stop being blinded by a single propaganda arm. China will grow larger.

Thanks for clarifying some things. In the attack vids from Sunday it is clear they are going after people in blackshirts. In the one after however it looks like they are just beating train goers. I'm hearing allegations on twitter that the police are just allowing these attacks to happen to try and intimidate protestors, with the white shirts being Triads doing the governments dirty work for them. I would advice the Chinese elite to look at how that worked out in the United States, when various cities allowed protestors just wale on each other. They better hope the pro-HK guys run over a fat girl with a dodge challenger.

As for just sending all of HK to reeducation camps, HK is too much of significant player both within the wider Chinese world and globally for that to be feasible. PRC gets away with what they do to the Uighur because they are irrelevant desert people.

Freedom Fries · Jul 25, 2019

MrTickles said:
If you are able to read/understand Chinese or Hongkongnese and watch the full original video, you will find that the so-called 'passengers' are mostly protesters and the human resource gathered by the parliamentary who's opinion is HK independence from PRC. Many of them wear blackish T-shirts, so they call them BT. Maybe some or a few of them are ordinary citizens who were in the subway and all out of sudden the BT guys rushed in and WT guys are chasing them.

The white T-shirts (WT) are organized by the local residents to 'fight' against BT because of their invasion (The Yuen Long district is not included in the protest authorization yesterday). There are several reasons why they are fighting: 1. The WT does not agree with the claim of splitting the country 2. BT guys keep on calling names of WT and saying 'come on', ' beat me', and etc. 3. according to the Propaganda Department of 'BT side', they want to 'reveal' the dark of pro-unite group of people to fight for more human resource for protesters.

The police conclusion of this: Streetfight. I believe what you saw in the video is the losing side retreating from the home field of WT's. They both are 'players' in this violent activity and they also both are the victim of this organized country splitting conspiracy.

TLDR: All the local residents are sick and tired of this bullshit protest by stupid kids. Since the Chinese government is too soft, these angry HK residents are taking matters into their own hands.

You're just presenting one side of the whole picture.

And PR is fleeting. West would continue to suckle at the teet of Chinese consumer goods and the developing world would continue to provide it with all the raw resources it needs.

China could send in the army, deport all 7 million hong kong residents to uighur re-education camps then repopulate the city with young entrepreneurs loyal to Beijing from nearby Shenzhen in the space of...1 week. Wouldn't even affect the useless, parasitic (it produces nothing) economy of Hong Kong long term.

This is just one of the array of options you're contending with that is freely available to Beijing. All this bleating is pathetic. Be a man. Take your fate like a man. And stop being blinded by a single propaganda arm. China will grow larger.

I'm sure that's the official party line, and I'm sure there is some annoyance with the vandalism done by actual protesters (I know some expats who really didn't like what they did in the government buildings). The whole calling the white shirts protesters too thing just seems like a way to get uninformed people (read outsiders) to believe the protests are getting violently out of control, warranting a crackdown.

Anonymous For This · Jul 25, 2019

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mindlessobserver · Jul 25, 2019

So much for the lie that one country two systems could be a model to reunify with taiwan

War Armed mob seizes Hong Kong train station - Anarchy In The HK

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