🌟 Internet Famous Arin Hanson / Egoraptor / Grump - "Hey I'm Grump!" of Game Grumps fame, hypocritical SJW doxer, shat himself recording a let's play

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Rebis said:
I don’t really think comparing views on JonTron/Game Grumps makes sense, as others have pointed out. However, what I would be interested in seeing is a comparison of GG to OneyPlays. What average percentage of Oney viewers view each video? I almost guarantee it’s higher than the number of Grumps subscribers that watch the average GG video.
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Views on Oneyplays channel are actually really inconsistent. The kingdom hearts 2 series seems to be peaking at around 100k+ views, which is roughly about 20% of their subscribers. Though with Oneyplays, it's their one-offs and unconventional videos that really get the views, such as the Jontron Video last month which sits at around 520k views or their most popular videos which are at well over a million views.

But in a similar vein to game grumps, their longer series seem to diminish in views the longer they go on, though Oneyplays doesn't suffer from it nearly as bad as GameGrumps do.
 
Rebis said:
I don’t really think comparing views on JonTron/Game Grumps makes sense, as others have pointed out. However, what I would be interested in seeing is a comparison of GG to OneyPlays. What average percentage of Oney viewers view each video? I almost guarantee it’s higher than the number of Grumps subscribers that watch the average GG video.
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A better comparison would be Game Grumps vs Markiplier (they started the same year - Markiplier started in May of 2012, while Grumps was July 2012). Taking a quick peak at Markiplier's uploads (one video uploaded every other day or so); there's only a small handful that is less than 1 mil in views (which is kinda sad, considering his sub count is well over 23 mil however, Markiplier still does better than the Grumps - who have significantly less subs than he does and uploads two to three uploads per day - but rarely gets anywhere near the amount of views than Markiplier does - even when you combine the numbers of all the videos they upload every week).
 
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LucasSomething said:
Unrelated to Arin but interesting noneless, a channel called "GameGrumpsMoments" who uploads funny compilations was recently called out by the Game Grumps manager (Vernon) to not upload anything with Jon anymore. I dont know if it was Arin who ordered this but HE is the big boss of the company so he must know.

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One thing is to ignore Jon entirely but another is to straight up gaslight him out of existence. I guess keeping "the game grumps brand" clean is all that matters to them.
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This Vernon guy, based on what I've been reading, may just be the Mike Michaud of Game Grumps.

Here's what we know about him, with links and everything:
These are verifiable facts. These next two are based on talk from /r/rantgrumps, the subreddit anyone can talk and gossip about Grumps without risk of getting pegged by a mod. Take all these with a grain of salt.


I've also read that the Grumps basically sell anything Vernon makes as their own, regardless if it's related to Grumps (a). It's not out of the question that Vernon just sees Grumps as a giant cash-cow to piggyback his otherwise mediocre ideas on. Whew, lad!

If ya'll want to do further investigating on this guy, I encourage it. He seems like quite the negative influence on the show.
 
Diabeetus said:
These are verifiable facts. These next two are based on talk from /r/rantgrumps, the subreddit anyone can talk and gossip about Grumps without risk of getting pegged by a mod. Take all these with a grain of salt.

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I can actually vouch for what was in that Dream Daddy Shitfest thread, since I was the one who had posted that and several other threads years back. Long story short, all they covered was what Ding Dong, Julian, Brian, and Suzy had already said publicly on the topic and the links and were already posted earlier in this thread...so aside from adding my own opinions to it, you're not gonna really find much more other than what was already found. Ding Dong eventually got involved and asked for said posts to stop...and I stupidly deleted them. This later misconstrued it as posts relating to the Grumps and not the Dream Daddy staff...despite bringing me up several times, and once on his livestream, after telling people they had left the office (but are apparently back now, so make of that what you will; still don't know if they're on good terms with Vernon). Though I did save the screenshots of those posts somewhere, I can't be arsed to find them right now, and Removeddit and Ceddit have been no help whatsoever.

Also, for anybody still wondering about the legitimacy of r/RantGrumps' posts: people on RantGrumps also has this weird tendency to completely blow things out of proportion, so much so that they have this weird far-right-PC culture bend to near every single discussion made there, have had several members banned for being absolute assholes and threatening other users for not respecting them and being legitimately obsessed and crazy, even more so than the stories told thus far, and one mod in particular with a god complex whom constantly abuses his power to whatever narrative suits them for any individual (it's not much better when this was being encouraged by a literal foot fetishist impersonator turned mod on the main Grumps subreddit and then challenged by an artist for trying to create a RantGrumps mascot, but semantics). Was on the brunt end of that last one several times.

You should probably just take that grain of salt from them, crush it, and throw it in the dumpster; it's not a good source for anything currently going on with Game Grumps atm.

(And if any of you are at all skeptical of this or think I'm just making all this up to be a sperg, I'm sure y'all are more than capable of putting two and two together about who I am, and where these claims are from.)
 
Zaryiu said:
That is not a good a good voice for Bruce Banner, it really does sound like Arin now that i heard his voice which i didn't back when i played the game
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I couldn't handle more than half a minute of that clip before I had to stop it. That was just awful. Not just because of how 'young and innocent' Arin's voice sounds; but it's just an overall poor fit for a character like Bruce Banner. I get that Bruce Banner is supposed to be mild mannered; but he shouldn't sound like he's in high school - you know?

And what's with the voice direction? From the little I saw of this clip, I get the impression something serious/concerning was going down - but 'Banner' barely sounds concerned, at all; but more mildly curious. It's rather annoying.
 
Zaryiu said:
That is not a good a good voice for Bruce Banner, it really does sound like Arin now that i heard his voice which i didn't back when i played the game
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That's where a lot of confusion comes from, arin won a contest to voice bruce in the game but shortly before it came out Robin atkin downes came in a voiced bruce in the normal version of the game.

It was debated that he voiced bruce in the wii/ds versions but idk if that was confirmed or not. Arins voice was added back in for the re release that you can buy on current gen consoles and pc.
 
Kind of disappointing to see one of the few channels to legitimately give me painful chest cramps become something...uniform and plain? (I don't know, I stopped watching them ~beginning of 2018).

With the Jontron era, they got away with a lot of shit most PC police would screech at. He was the guy who never seemed to take anything seriously.

When Danny came aboard, the nice guy (tfw you're Jewish but still make jew jokes) who knew nothing about vidya past the late 90s (maybe). I really enjoyed watching him play Shadow of the Colossus for the first time or hear how horrified/endearing he sounded when seeing certain Pokemon ("I like Seel, it's real cute, let's catch i- *Arin KOs Seel* -aww...")

Then came GODDAMMIT Ross, who was the shit-stirrer, especially with Danny (ngl the King's Quest series were my favorite interactions between the two). I really enjoyed Pokemon Art Academy due to Ross talking about art and giving the audience how-to's when it came to drawing.

Barry sometimes popped in, too; who doesn't love Barry?

And some of the Let's Player crossovers were fun to watch (like having Jirard finish a game in less than 10 episodes!)

Then came that Disney Princess Wii game (where they joked about the protag being molested) and The Dog Island (stereotypical racist jokes)...that's when I noticed that the audience had become infected.
Still watched them regardless, but when they started to play The Last Guardian...

It's a shame seeing hours-long game streams or these 10 minute whatever videos show up on my feed; I feel like they'd all be better off doing what they do best (most notably Ross and his art). The Grumps had a real good run, but sometimes you have to know when to fold them.
 
Ma_Hooty said:
It's a shame seeing hours-long game streams or these 10 minute whatever videos show up on my feed; I feel like they'd all be better off doing what they do best (most notably Ross and his art). The Grumps had a real good run, but sometimes you have to know when to fold them.
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I agree. It feels like Arin just resorts to mostly sticking to Let's Plays with Grumps only because it's easy quantity-over-quality money and that the rest just does it out of a contract or personal connections-obligation when they could move on to bigger better things or at least improve the damn quality of their Let's Plays to stay respectably afloat.

Another thing that bugs me is how very defense the fanbase gets over when people try to offer legit constructive criticism about Arin's attitude and approach to games. Even if the whole 'I'm Grump' facade of 'being pissed off at games' is the entire schtick of Arin's attitude towards games he doesn't like, there's a clear difference towards critically picking apart aspects of a game you just don't like for the sake of comedy (like AVGN does) and just bashing a game relentlessly because of your own bias or refusal to even give it a chance/acknowledge your own lack of skill/attention span.
 
AlmightyMagichan said:
I don't know much about how making money on youtube works, so here's my question. Is it more profitable for Arin to put out a couple videos everyday that get around 500,000 views, or for Jon to put out a couple a month that hit around 6-10 million?
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It's probably net gain for Jon but considering how much he actually produces his shows (vs recording the screen, editing in the jokes, and leaching off your audience for other content) can't say exactly how much of a gain.
 
AlmightyMagichan said:
I don't know much about how making money on youtube works, so here's my question. Is it more profitable for Arin to put out a couple videos everyday that get around 500,000 views, or for Jon to put out a couple a month that hit around 6-10 million?
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It's tremendously in Jon's favor (AFAIK) because Game Grumps is fucking bloated.

Youtube ads are really hard to figure out, but on average per 1k views pay out ~$2 dollars. Let's use this as a baseline.

Let's just assume GG puts out 10 videos a week and they all get 500k views. Each video would generate $1,000 so that would be $14,000 on a week.
Let's also assume in that week Jontron puts out one video that gets 7 million. That single video would generate $14,000 that week.

Even right? But didn't I just say that it was extremely lopsided for JonTron?

It's because JonTron still seems to do all of his own stuff and is a one man act. That $14,000 he basically keeps outright.

Arin however has made Game Grumps into a "company" and as such employs a huge number of people. He has a cohost, a director of content, a financial advisor, an editor or two, and an animator all in house in a rented office space. That same $14,000 goes nowhere near as far.

Obviously there's more to the business dynamic with inserted advertisements, business deals, merchandise, etc. But generally speaking JonTron is in a much better place as he puts out high quality content less frequently and keeps all of the money.

This isn't to say that Arin has a bad gig, because he has to put in substantially less effort than Jon does. If Arin recorded 8 hours in a single day, his editor would chop that up into the 5 "Game Grumps" episodes a week and it would serve as content for approx. 2 months, 1 week, and 3 days - which is a ton. Obviously they edit parts down but it's very low effort and high return.

Arin could save tons of cash if he did the things that youtubers commonly do (don't rent an office for LPs, edited his own videos, not have your friends/wife on the payroll, etc) but he seems happier to spread the cash around for now, but I don't see how it's economically viable long-term for him. $14,000 a week sounds pretty high ($728,000 a year) but when you consider how many salaries are being drawn from that on top of the cost of running a business it doesn't seem like very much.

I hope that touring business is doing good, at least.
 
I mostly agree but it’s pretty clear at this point that Jon also has a small crew of some sort and has taken to having at least one or two actors in every video. I bet he pays less out to them than Arin does to the Grumps though.

Edit: it looks like there were 14 people who worked on the Dan Akroyd video; Jon, 3 other actors, 9 other crew members, and the animator who did the “weight in diamonds” bit. That’s not even counting the animation studio that did his intro, the guy who did his intro music, or the gal who did his logo.

I bet sponsorships really help Jon out though.
 
Rebis said:
I mostly agree but it’s pretty clear at this point that Jon also has a small crew of some sort and has taken to having at least one or two actors in every video. I bet he pays less out to them than Arin does to the Grumps though.

Edit: it looks like there were 14 people who worked on the Dan Akroyd video; Jon, 3 other actors, 9 other crew members, and the animator who did the “weight in diamonds” bit. That’s not even counting the animation studio that did his intro, the guy who did his intro music, or the gal who did his logo.

I bet sponsorships really help Jon out though.
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You're right, but those are also (likely) per diem people, not full time staff employed by Jon Tron. There's a pretty marked difference in ~$2,000 in a single production costs vs Game Grumps employing ~10 people full time year round (+office rent and costs).

I would imagine that a number of people also do Jon's stuff for free or at cost to have themselves/their product seen by 7 million people.
 
Gilius Wonderhead said:
I agree. It feels like Arin just resorts to mostly sticking to Let's Plays with Grumps only because it's easy quantity-over-quality money and that the rest just does it out of a contract or personal connections-obligation when they could move on to bigger better things or at least improve the damn quality of their Let's Plays to stay respectably afloat.

Another thing that bugs me is how very defense the fanbase gets over when people try to offer legit constructive criticism about Arin's attitude and approach to games. Even if the whole 'I'm Grump' facade of 'being pissed off at games' is the entire schtick of Arin's attitude towards games he doesn't like, there's a clear difference towards critically picking apart aspects of a game you just don't like for the sake of comedy (like AVGN does) and just bashing a game relentlessly because of your own bias or refusal to even give it a chance/acknowledge your own lack of skill/attention span.
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I kinda miss his Egoraptor channel. Yeah, I know it takes months to pop out a decent 2-3 minute animation and the YouTube algorithm deep fucks over artists/animators, but his Sequelitis vids look like they don't take as much time (he just needs several reaction stills or just a simple GIF-length animation - like his face getting red with rage or crossing his arms) to make and Arin sounds like he legitimately knows more about game development than his Grump persona leads you to believe
Plus, he gives legitimate criticism while still cracking a few jokes.

He still has 2.8 million subscribers (though most of those are more than likely inactive/dead/uninterested), but I'm pretty sure a lot of those would come back to watch him if he made that sort of content and also grab new subs who run across his animations/collabs (they have to be getting views even today - all the StarBomb videos have at least 10 million views).

...I didn't read the whole thread, but I heard Arin was making a cartoon with the guy who made Community/Rick and Morty - is that a thing or just a rumor?
 
Ma_Hooty said:
I kinda miss his Egoraptor channel. Yeah, I know it takes months to pop out a decent 2-3 minute animation and the YouTube algorithm deep fucks over artists/animators, but his Sequelitis vids look like they don't take as much time (he just needs several reaction stills or just a simple GIF-length animation - like his face getting red with rage or crossing his arms) to make and Arin sounds like he legitimately knows more about game development than his Grump persona leads you to believe
Plus, he gives legitimate criticism while still cracking a few jokes.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XOC3vixnj_0
He still has 2.8 million subscribers (though most of those are more than likely inactive/dead/uninterested), but I'm pretty sure a lot of those would come back to watch him if he made that sort of content and also grab new subs who run across his animations/collabs (they have to be getting views even today - all the StarBomb videos have at least 10 million views).

...I didn't read the whole thread, but I heard Arin was making a cartoon with the guy who made Community/Rick and Morty - is that a thing or just a rumor?
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the play though of oot dispelled any notion of that retard knowing about oot
 
Ma_Hooty said:
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Lol

Speaking of OOT I recently watched through
I must ask is he always such an jerk to Dan? I haven't really seen Game Grumps since Jontron left. The only reason I'm watching some TIHYDPs is because of this thread. So, I don't know much about Dan but he seems like a nice guy. I felt bad for him and some parts of this just felt uncomfortable to listen to.
 
The Old Lurker said:
Lol

Speaking of OOT I recently watched through https://youtube.com/watch?v=fJg3HP36FrMI must ask is he always such an jerk to Dan? I haven't really seen Game Grumps since Jontron left. The only reason I'm watching some TIHYDPs is because of this thread. So, I don't know much about Dan but he seems like a nice guy. I felt bad for him and some parts of this just felt uncomfortable to listen to.
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Arin is basically a jerk to everybody but Suzy.
 
AbyssStarer said:
Arin is basically a jerk to everybody but Suzy.
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Even Suzy isn't 100% safe from his jerk nature. There was 10 mph episode (the 'Watch Your Mouth' episode; for anyone who wants to look it up) where- 1:10 into the episode - he refers to her as his 'god damned wife' when Suzy (who was in attendance for this episode) mentions not knowing he was going to peddle her merch that day (an obvious lie, because she can't lie for crap - but that's beside the point).

Maybe I'm old fashioned - but what loving husband refers to his wife like that; to her face, no less?

Edit: The video in question; to confirm it actually happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_eQZFbLRsc&t=79s
 
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