Are We Born With a Moral Compass? - Summary: Study reports young infants can make and act on moral judgments, shedding new light on the origins of human morality.

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Source: Osaka University

For millennia, philosophers have pondered the question of whether humans are inherently good. But now, researchers from Japan have found that young infants can make and act on moral judgments, shedding light on the origin of morality.

In a study recently published in Nature Human Behaviour, researchers from Osaka University, in collaboration with Otsuma Women’s University, NTT Communication Science Laboratories, and the University of Tokyo, revealed that 8-month-old infants can punish antisocial behavior exhibited by a third party. Thus, the motivation driving punishment might be intrinsic as opposed to learned.

Punishment of antisocial behavior is found in only humans, and is universal across cultures. However, the development of moral behavior is not well understood. Further, it can be very difficult to examine decision-making and agency in infants, which the researchers at Osaka University aimed to address.

“Morality is an important but mysterious part of what makes us human,” says lead author of the study Yasuhiro Kanakogi.

“We wanted to know whether third-party punishment of antisocial others is present at a very young age, because this would help to signal whether morality is learned.”

To tackle this problem, the researchers developed a new research paradigm. First, they familiarized infants with a computer system in which animations were displayed on a screen. The infants could control the actions on the screen using a gaze-tracking system such that looking at an object for a sufficient period of time led to the destruction of the object.

The researchers then showed a video in which one geometric agent appeared to “hurt” another geometric agent, and watched whether the infants “punished” the antisocial geometric agent by gazing at it.

“The results were surprising,” says Kanakogi. “We found that preverbal infants chose to punish the antisocial aggressor by increasing their gaze towards the aggressor.”

To verify their findings, the researchers conducted three control experiments to exclude alternative interpretations of the infants’ gazing behaviors.

“The observation of this behavior in very young children indicates that humans may have acquired behavioral tendencies toward moral behavior during the course of evolution,” says Kanakogi.

“Specifically, the punishment of antisocial behavior may have evolved as an important element of human cooperation.”

This new paradigm for studying decision-making in a social context could be an important turning point in infant cognitive research.

In particular, while much previous research on infant cognition has used observations from third parties, and thus examined passive responses to events, the eye-gaze paradigm allows for the observation of active decision-making in infants.

Thus, this research model may be useful in uncovering additional information about cognitive abilities in preverbal infants.
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Punishment of antisocial behavior is found in only humans, and is universal across cultures.

If you were going to try to convince me that Muh Science had anything to say about morality you wouldn't lead with such a retarded lie. I'll bet they're using a special definition of antisocial that doesn't include attacking group members unprovoked or something.
The researchers then showed a video in which one geometric agent appeared to “hurt” another geometric agent, and watched whether the infants “punished” the antisocial geometric agent by gazing at it.
Hahahahaha what the fuck they're saying an eight-month old has enough of a handle on social relationships to be able to extrapolate them onto images on a screen?

I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE
 
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We think of morality as something learned or handed down by god but it is an evolutionary mechanism. I'm not going to sperg out on it too hard but Richard Dawkins explains it really well in the selfish gene citing game theory, tit-for-tat and the prisoners dilemma as well as all sorts of animal behavior. Morality is just a set of behaviors that enable you and your close relatives (who share many of the same genes) to survive, not because it's what god wants, not because of 'group selection' but because a gene that gives you a proclivity to sacrifice for you child is competitive. Your child has a high chance of having the same gene and passing that on. A monkey or bird that reciprocates grooming behaviors gets groomed (not like in that other thread, I mean deloused), etc. Bad actors will never be fully weeded out but the math prevents them from growing to more than around 10% of the population.

Punishment of antisocial behavior is found in only humans, and is universal across cultures.
No it's not, animals don't have prisons but they do have hierarchies and in-groups and the term 'lone wolf' doesn't come from nowhere. Again a colony bird who never reciprocates grooming will be groomed far less and fall prey to parasites more easily, outweighing the positive effects of saving energy/time.

The researchers then showed a video in which one geometric agent appeared to “hurt” another geometric agent, and watched whether the infants “punished” the antisocial geometric agent by gazing at it.
All you proved is that small children keep their eyes on perceived threats/predators/moving objects.
 
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Seeing how there's people who apparently don't have an inner voice/monologue, and how many are easily manipulated soulless husks. We probably are born with or without it.
 
Some Greek-speaking Jew plainly summarized this nearly two millennia ago.

Japan being Japan, though, decided to assemble a crack team to answer this question much more inefficiently.

You know, as opposed to procreating.
 
If you were going to try to convince me that Muh Science had anything to say about morality you wouldn't lead with such a retarded lie. I'll bet they're using a special definition of antisocial that doesn't include attacking group members unprovoked or something.
Its an even stupider claim because the punishment for having strange social behavior in animals IS ABUNDANT AND BRUTAL!!

Its incredibly common for animals that commonly form social groups to exile or even kill other animals that don't prescribe to the social norms or show anti-social behaviors. anti-social animals that don't form social groups simply don't get to breed because "social" behaviors are sometimes crucial to securing a mate for both males and females.

Either way, antisocial behaviors typically don't survive the evolutionary process unless they can demonstrate satisfactory survival chances.
 
Oh my god

How many times do we have to go down this road.

Human morality is based on the survival instinct. Normally the individual but also often the group as most times co-operation is the best reproductive strategy.

Morality is and always will be the measure of the group and not the individual just like sanity.

If the group starts wearing socks on their heads and you don't. They're not insane, you are. It's the same with morality. If the group endorses murder for hire and you don't your the wrong one not them. You can say your morality is superior and try to prove it but that's not the actual measure of a moral person. Morality is the measure of the groups customs nothing more.

I know why the left has been pushing this "scientific" morality for the last decade or so. It's really simple. They want to be able to point and say "our moral system is scientifically proven to be better then yours, thus it's not going to be allowed any more."

The left always looks to it's professors and intellectuals for moral guidance and this is not new. I've seen many "studies" "thought pieces" and of course the bog standard opinion pieces back by "an authority in the subject" that all triumphantly claim that THEIR way is the best way for "reasons" and thus all others should deffer to them. It's nothing more then your standard Proggie power grab with a "scientific" rubber stamp to placate the rubes as science(!) is America's new religion.

Same old same old Proggies tactics so my answer is the same : Get fucked. Your death worshipping, soul crushing, self immolating cult has zero value to any actual human being who wants to live a happy and fruitful life.

I hate to quote the crazy BDSM lady but:

"I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will not live my life for another nor will I ask another to live my life for me."
 
Normally the individual but also often the group as most times co-operation is the best reproductive strategy.

Morality is and always will be the measure of the group and not the individual just like sanity.


If the group starts wearing socks on their heads and you don't. They're not insane, you are. It's the same with morality. If the group endorses murder for hire and you don't your the wrong one not them. You can say your morality is superior and try to prove it but that's not the actual measure of a moral person. Morality is the measure of the groups customs nothing more.
You're trying to argue for completely opposite conclusions at once so it's actually impossible to agree with your post.
 
Oh my god

How many times do we have to go down this road.

Human morality is based on the survival instinct.
It's moral if I kill you (you are most likely a shitskin and the survival of my group is contingent on you not existing)
 
I think for infants, just like moms get the oxytocin feels from the bonding, infants are also biologically not just mentally/emotionally (because they’re infants) but physically getting something out of it that is similar. Just like they love to be swaddled and held close because it stimulates something hormonal and helps them feel secure and thus more peaceful.

So I would think that an infant growing up feeling those good secure warm bonding feelings may age into a toddler who notices that when he hugs mommy, it makes mommy feel happy, just like it makes him happy when she hugs him, and he’s been nurtured so he can feel good knowing he makes mom feel loved. That‘s why little ones will offer each other and you hugs, they’ve learned that‘s meant to make them feel better and they have grown up loved and protected so they’re capable of enjoying making others feel loved.
 
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“The results were surprising,” says Kanakogi. “We found that preverbal infants chose to punish the antisocial aggressor by increasing their gaze towards the aggressor.”
Or the babies were thinking "What an alpha geometric shape, I will now stare at it with adoration and respect before it leaves to go put other beta geometric shapes in their place"
I mean my interpretation is just as valid, because it's not like the baby can tell us why it's looking at the one block and not the other.
 
No it's not, animals don't have prisons but they do have hierarchies and in-groups and the term 'lone wolf' doesn't come from nowhere. Again a colony bird who never reciprocates grooming will be groomed far less and fall prey to parasites more easily, outweighing the positive effects of saving energy/time.
Exactly. I mean fuck, Jordan Peterson is a lolcow but that study he's fond of mentioning about the mice and how they instinctively know what 'fairness' is and refuse to have dealings with selfish asshole mice is actually a legit study, too.

I'll never understand the people (typically lefties) that think that humans suck and that animals are all universally 'good' somehow.
 
We've known this for fucking decades. What they lack is any concept of it beyond recognizing that something is wrong. Babies are surprisingly adept at reading nonverbal cues, better than most adults actually as they cant speak so they have to be to survive. As we age and learn to speak we stop using our nonverbal recognition so much although it is still an automatic unconscious process that happens. They might not be able to understand much but distress is fairly recognizable and they will respond in kind.

Now to address the issue of this article - they're not responding based on "cognition". Cognition, by definition, requires thought, and that level of thought is beyond the scope of most infants. There are very rare cases but most people don't even develop a concept of people as being fully independent separate entities until they're 5-7.

They're responding based on instinct. As I said, they read nonverbal cues and can see that something one thing is doing is causing another thing distress, and will often react in some instinctual way that will disarm the scenario or redirect attention. It's not unlike when a small puppy will whimper and lay down with its belly up if two larger dogs are growling at each other, it wants to prevent conflict because conflict = danger.
 
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Seeing how there's people who apparently don't have an inner voice/monologue, and how many are easily manipulated soulless husks. We probably are born with or without it.

I can see morality as being socially advantageous. A better moral compass will earn you trust and more friends. Which is important if you live in a settlement. Maybe the people without a moral compass would do better running around in the wilderness with a pointy stick.
 
I can see morality as being socially advantageous. A better moral compass will earn you trust and more friends. Which is important if you live in a settlement. Maybe the people without a moral compass would do better running around in the wilderness with a pointy stick.
Watching all the race riots and other shit going on, I think a lot of these people would prefer it because they don't understand what morality really brings. Nevermind they'll claim to be morally just, and call everyone an apostate; but they'll never really grasp what a moral compass or high trust society would be like. And because they lack the inner guidance, they can't even theorize what or how things should be, and instead take their marching orders from CNN, or Harry Potter, or whatever is used to fill that void where their heart and soul should be. But they also know they can't live in the wilderness with a pointy stick, because they're mostly retarded and useless; so they push draconian hate laws and shit on everyone, because they can't live free, and so they want an all powerful warlord type figure to dictate to them. Because it keeps them safe, and keeps them out of the wilderness, as useless as they are.
 
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