Are men disposable? - I promise I'm not an incel, I don't hate women

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For a while now, I've often felt like men are seen as more disposable or extendable compared to women. I am unsure if this is true or if this is manosphere-incel bullshit.

Sometimes I might get sad about this, but on the other hand, I am also deeply upset by the fact that most women I know IRL have had some form of experience with sexual assault. It doesn't justify the societal standard, but it does make it make a little more sense I guess? I don't worry so much anymore about feeling disposable, right now I'm just focusing on bettering myself and being kind to the people in my life because I know that while I can't change the world, I can change some people's worlds.

I'm sure the above is going to be pretty controversial so I'd like to hear what you guys have to say.
 
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I mean everything is disposable unless it is one of a kind if you get really reductive. But to really answer your question I would say men are more disposable than women. Doesn't mean its something to be black-pilled over though you could look at it like this:
You need much less men than women to keep a population stable, but stable doesn't mean ideal and having a wider variety of genes is much more ideal for humans and evolution in general
 
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Men are kind of more expendable, but to me that mostly means they're less objectified.
If women, just by their status as women, are [blank], then that means the disparity between women is less and therefore they're seen less as people. It indicates they have less autonomy, and ones who've worked hard have ostensibly earned what they have less or will be less recognized for it.

If you're a high achieving man, you kind of own the world. If you're a high achieving woman you're still a woman, you're dragged down to the median of "woman". I'd rather people see me as valuable because of what I do and what I mean to them personally instead of just mattering to them because they see me as some kind of object or infant.

You might be more expendable to society or as an entity and be willing to sacrifice yourself, but that isn't necessarily how your friends or loved ones are going to feel. If you suck it's nicer to be a woman. If you don't being a man is probably better in the long run.
 
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No, you're confusing disposable with the need to protect future generations. In nature's fight for survival, men (simply because of sexual dimorphism providing better physical advantage) protect women and children. Women protect children. In the absence of adults, children must protect each other, older protects youngest. Creatures which do not protect offspring have no future.

Don't let anyone ever tell you men are more disposable or expendable. It takes both men and women to make children, so both are required. We as a society can prioritize the health of women and children because the general healthcare of society that equally attends to men and women is secure enough for such specialization. These luxuries are born on the sacrifices of men.

 
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The majority of men have no purpose in life and are left behind because women and children have more intrinsic value to society, that's why the suicide rates are skyrocketing for men and not for women, and why 98%> of mass shooters are male. Women have too much to lose.
 
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No. Men usually are productive members of society. We can't have a functioning civilization without both genders.
However, sometimes, a male individual might not be suitable to contribute in any meaningful way. It is not an issue that is spread across males but rather their individual inability to fit in.

Any woman who says men can and should be disposed of is completely out of their mind. Besides, I bet they have never seen a TIF in person to know men can't be replaced.
 
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Yes absolutely.
Famously "women are, men have to become."
One woman can have a child every 9 months while one man could impregnate a new woman every week, so women are more valuable. Men have to make themselves worth a second glance.
It's not fair, but it's biology and there's no use blaming anyone for it.
 
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Uberpenguin said:
Men are kind of more expendable, but to me that mostly means they're less objectified.
If women, just by their status as women, are [blank], then that means the disparity between women is less and therefore they're seen less as people. It indicates they have less autonomy, and ones who've worked hard have ostensibly earned what they have less or will be less recognized for it.

If you're a high achieving man, you kind of own the world. If you're a high achieving woman you're still a woman, you're dragged down to the median of "woman". I'd rather people see me as valuable because of what I do and what I mean to them personally instead of just mattering to them because they see me as some kind of object or infant.

You might be more expendable to society or as an entity and be willing to sacrifice yourself, but that isn't necessarily how your friends or loved ones are going to feel. If you suck it's nicer to be a woman. If you don't being a man is probably better in the long run.
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This was more or less the sentiment I had in mind when writing this thread. I think that a lot of gender discrimination (against both women and men) has to be understood through class analysis. Women are seen as child bearers and household creators while men are providers and protectors, and a lot of discrimination stems from their relationships to these models. For instance, I don't believe women experience sexism out of hatred or apathy, but rather the reasons above.

Ironic considering the fact that I created this thread, but what I tell myself now is that it's unimportant to focus on which gender has it harder in life, and that efforts should be directed to understanding where these issues come from and how they can be changed.
 
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It depends on how you choose to look at it. You technically need fewer men to maintain the species and society. And with violent crime, those men are certainly disposable to society. But, and especially on an individual level, I would never consider men inherently disposable because they're men - there are tons of fantastic men who, even if it's just in small ways to their family and friends, make things better with their existence.

In my opinion, the best way to think about it is to make sure you as an individual are doing things that make you feel valuable, whether that be through children, or your relationship, work, or creative endeavors - we all have the chance to be important in our own ways if we choose to do so.
 
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