Science Are fat people dumb?

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There’s a stereotype that fat people are lazy, less intelligent, and of course, they are widely considered unattractive in the west in modern times. But is this stereotype true? Well, laziness is a bit tricky to measure, as self-report cannot be trusted that much, but intelligence we can measure. So what does the science say?

First, the stereotypes. You can find a lot of papers on this stereotype, mostly by academics who are so very, very concerned. Here’s a paper about about how research on intelligence and obesity harms “people in bigger bodies”, and here’s a study just showing the stereotype to be real but weak (r = -.17). Here’s a paper showing that even by other children, they were considered “more dislikable, lazy, less intelligent, unalluring and less considerable as playmates”. There’s even a paper here showing that you can induce stereotype threat to obese people to make their intelligence scores lower (p = .03 for the interaction, of course).

So what about the facts? Well, the same paper above found a correlation of -.26 between working memory and BMI. But we can do better. Apparently, a lot of doctors have been trying to claim reverse causality, i.e., that low intelligence does not make you somewhat likely to become obese, rather obesity makes your intelligence lower! I swear academics are experts in implausible reverse causality theories. Fortunately, Kanazawa carried out a literature review of longitudinal studies where intelligence was measured in childhood and obesity in adulthood, and the correlation was still found. Looks like this for mean BMI:
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And for probability of obesity:
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Kanazawa also notes:
The analysis (n = 3026) shows that childhood intelligence has a direct negative effect on BMI and obesity at 51, and its effect is not at all mediated by education or earnings. Childhood intelligence has a significantly negative effect on BMI at 51 even net of education, earnings, mother’s BMI, father’s BMI, childhood social class, sex, and even BMI at age 16. In other words, childhood intelligence has a direct effect on both adult BMI at 51 and BMI change from 16 to 51.
The details are in his earlier 2013 paper. Here’s the regression table:
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Based on this, we might think the relationship is pretty likely to be causal. I mean, after all, if you have already controlled for parental BMI, education, earning, sex, and even BMI at age 16, then it’s hard to think of a plausible confounder that remains. To be fair, the relationship is weak. Without controls it is a mere 0.10 standardized beta, and with all the controls it is 0.04 (p < .05).

Because we are not lazy, I looked at another dataset. Here’s the relationship between intelligence measured at age 20 in 4500 American veterans and their BMI at age 38 (Vietnam Experience Study public dataset):
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The relationship is again not impressive but it is there. For those wondering about the most obvious potential confounders:
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So without controls the standardized beta is -0.04 (very weak), and controlling for height, age, and race, doesn’t change that (-0.05), and even controlling for income, education, and unemployment at age 38 doesn’t change it (-0.06).

Finally, if the relationship is causal, then it should hold in a sibling analysis too. And we love sibling analyses on this blog. I found one such study:
Background Body mass index (BMI) and obesity rates have increased sharply since the 1980s. While multiple epidemiologic studies have found higher adolescent cognitive ability is associated with lower adult BMI, residual and unobserved confounding due to family background may explain these associations. We used a sibling design to test this association accounting for confounding factors shared within households.
Methods We used data from four cohort studies: the National Longitudinal Study of Youth 1979 (NLSY-79), the NLSY-79 Children and Young Adult, the NLSY 1997 (NLSY-97) and the Wisconsin Longitudinal Study (WLS); a total of 12,250 siblings from 5,602 households. We used random effects within-between (REWB) and residualized quantile regression (RQR) models to compare between- and within-family estimates of the association between adolescent cognitive ability and adult BMI (20-64 years).
Results In REWB models, moving from 0th to 100th percentile of adolescent cognitive ability was associated with −1.89 kg/m2 (95% CI = −2.41, −1.37) lower BMI between families. Adjusting for family socioeconomic position reduced the association to −1.23 (−1.79, −0.66) points. However, within families the association was just −0.13 (−0.70, 0.45) points. This pattern of results was found across multiple specifications, including analyses conducted in separate cohorts, models examining age-differences in association, and in RQR models examining the association across the distribution of BMI.
Conclusion The association between high adolescent cognitive ability and low adult BMI was substantially smaller in within-family compared with between-family analysis. The well-replicated associations between cognitive ability and subsequent BMI may largely reflect confounding by family background factors.
They aggregated a bunch of datasets with intelligence and BMI, and they find that the relationship ‘goes away’ within families! Well, at least the p value is > .05. So it is causal or not? Here we must be causal not to fall pray to the lower precision fallacy commonly seen in family studies. Note that the sibling effect size was estimated between “−0.13 (−0.70, 0.45)”, so their data includes in the 95% confidence interval a negative value up to -0.70, which does in fact slightly overlap with their regression result with controls for family SES “−1.23 (−1.79, −0.66)”. As such, they haven’t proven the relationship is entirely spurious, but it is not likely so large. Unfortunately, despite using 12k sibling they still don’t have enough precision to say for sure. As always, the way forward here is to get more data. For some reason they didn’t use the Add Health dataset (also public), or UK Biobank (not public), though both have BMI and intelligence measures. The UK Biobank alone has 20k sibling pairs, so it would make a substantial improvement to this analysis.

Setting aside the issue of causality, it is nevertheless true that the stereotype is confirmed by the existing research insofar as intelligence is concerned. But before you go out and act on this belief, note what happened to fellow high decoupler Geoffrey Miller who wrote this tweet in 2013:
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That he shouldn’t have done! You can guess what happened, but here’s some headlines: The Fat-Shaming Professor: A Twitter-Fueled Firestorm, Fat-Shaming in Academe, How Twitter Schooled an NYU Professor About Fat-Shaming. His punishment was the usual sort of thing: University of New Mexico censures Geoffrey Miller, a psychology professor, for his infamous fat-shaming tweet. He will be barred from admissions decisions and must undergo sensitivity training.

So, keep your belief to yourself, but still assign fat applicants a weak lower prior for competence. This is what one has to do when discrimination based on objectively true criteria is forbidden, and it’s just as true whether that is race, sex, sexual orientation, height, or what have you. But before you go too crazy, remember that a correlation of maybe 0.10 is not much of a good prior. It’s basically a decider in case you have two otherwise equal candidates.
 
Not all are, but it’s a toss up between dumb or mentally ill. You have to pick one.
 
thats alot of words ..... too bad im not going to read them hehe
but my facts and logic says they are dumb cause the fat in their skull squishes their brain into a lil kumquat making them stoopid.
 
Researchers have this uncanny ability to take a topic I'm interested in and then proceed to explain it in a way that makes me want to immediately intellectually disengage because I don't wanna learn the annoying little language they created for themselves.
That’s intentional.

As for the OP-does overeating later in life lower IQ? Or is it a matter of lower IQ causes obesity? (It could be people who are struggle more with school/work/life in general due to marginally lower IQ over eat due to stress and frustration). The reverse is also possible I suppose-over eating causes stress, health problems and that only further produces the stimuli that triggers the urge to eat.
 
Fat people shocked by the discovery that fat isn't perfectly benign and in fact acts upon your body chemistry like literally every other tissue in existence. The fact it shocks them is grounds enough to prove their stupidity.

This problem is going to just get worse and worse too. Overly Processed food availability is only increasing, I guarantee you the processing of food itself will only continue to increase in pursuit of more and more hyperpalateable crap to encourage people to buy it, and the advancement of remote work is going to let more and more people justify 'letting themselves go' since they'll feel they don't need to show and impress to anyone. At the same time, social pressures to avoid it are being actively countermanded, and its been widely decided that its doctors problems to fix the baconator addiction, not the patients lifestyle. Combine that with a wider culture of personal irresponsibility, and its no wonder that people are ballooning up and trying to justify it.
 
The part of the brain that programs motor tasks (i.e. any movement), the pre-motor cortex, is located in the frontal lobe. This is the area of the brain responsible for general cognition. Some theorize that exercise, by driving blood to the pre-motor cortex, increases overall oxygen the the lobe by association.
 
Some are, some have deep seeded psychological issues that drive them into eating themselves into an early grave.

I pity only the latter because they need help and tough love, not being appealed to.
 
Only the smart fats have the self-awareness to recognize they need to lose weight to function better, and therefore they strive to better themselves. Some try to do it by themselves, though, because intelligence and pride tend to go hand-in-hand, and that can cause arrogance. If they become arrogant enough, they fall back on old habits before they know it, and it's back to square one, causing frustration and self-loathing because they know they're fat, but why can't they get out of being fat? The arrogant ones need help to lose their weight, they just have to learn to swallow their pride and ask, and people will be more than happy to lend aid.

The narcissistic fatties are the ones who don't have a care in the world, they just want everyone else to accommodate to their gravitational pull. They're the selfish hogs who only think about themselves, their Ids fighting over the wheel with their Egos and winning as the Ego tires itself out. The question here is were they always like this in the beginning, or is this something they've grown accustomed to over the years of gorging on food? Poverty and obesity correlate with each other, but are all impoverished people dumb as rocks? Were they always a lost cause, or did circumstances beyond their control cause them to feel like they're lost causes, so who cares what happens? There's more people with average intelligence then there are above-average or below-average, so how many fatties are actually just average intelligence but are being hindered by the fat in their brains taking over and stifling oxygen?

The narcissistic fatties who're on the Internet constantly are making the choice to stay fat despite all the medical information available to them. The special snowflake delusion overtakes them to where they don't make rational, logical choices anymore even if they actually have the means to do something about their fatness and save themselves from an early death. They choose to let their Ids take over, and that is why they sound like complete dumbasses, and why it is they think they're in the right and we're in the wrong for daring to tell them how to live a fuller life. And the ironic part is most of them follow #TheScience because everyone else does it because Id and Mob Mentality are interlinked, as it's all about survival. Except the fatties' instinct of survival is malfunctioning because they abused the food button too much. Like yes, food is essential for survival, but there's such a thing as too much of it, and the body tried to warn them over and over to no avail.

TL;DR the Id overriding everything causes them to get dumber. This makes fatties worse than the 'tards because 'tards always had their Ids in the driver's seat to begin with. Like just imagine choosing to put yourself on the same level as 'tards just to feel better about yourself.
 
That’s intentional.

As for the OP-does overeating later in life lower IQ? Or is it a matter of lower IQ causes obesity? (It could be people who are struggle more with school/work/life in general due to marginally lower IQ over eat due to stress and frustration). The reverse is also possible I suppose-over eating causes stress, health problems and that only further produces the stimuli that triggers the urge to eat.
If it's intentional then why do scientists constantly complain about the fact that nobody listens to them? People would listen to the fuckers if they spoke frankly.
 
Can we have the Data for race too? I suspect the statistic looks so bad because of ethnic factors.
The study on Vietnam vets takes that into account, showing gooks to be less fat (relative to whites) than their IQ might suggest, and spics and chugs more fat than IQ might suggest. Not very large effect sizes however.
I think the article writer is coping
The article writer says that you should judge fat people but not admit to doing so in professional settings.
 
Amazing how fatties invest so much into coping and seething instead of investing any effort into getting off their asses.
The fact that HAES and body positivity are things is proof that obesity has taken root as a societal mindset. Instead of solving the obesity crisis, we're rationalizing it.
 
What kind of silly question is that?
Obesity and weight gain are caused by all sorts of things, including slow metabolism (which is genetic, hormonal, etc), certain medications such as antidepressants, depression and its symptoms, etc etc etc.
None of that matters if you don’t put too much food in your fucking mouth.
 
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