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What killed Steve Jobs?

  • Pancreatic Cancer

    Votes: 65 12.2%
  • AIDS from having gay sex with Tim Cook

    Votes: 468 87.8%

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Do ya’ll think the Neo would be able to run autistic map games like CK3 well enough?
CK3 apparently runs okay on a base M1 Macbook Air with 8 GB of RAM. The Neo would probably run it a bit better thanks to the improved GPU, but same ballpark of performance.

But if games are a concern, I'd urge you to consider upsizing to at least the M5 Macbook Air.
 
CK3 apparently runs okay on a base M1 Macbook Air with 8 GB of RAM. The Neo would probably run it a bit better thanks to the improved GPU, but same ballpark of performance.

But if games are a concern, I'd urge you to consider upsizing to at least the M5 Macbook Air.

This laptop would almost exclusively for handling Chrome and Office. Shit like CK3 would just be when I’m periodically stuck in the hell that is an airplane. But yeah, I’m primarily looking at an Air.
 
Just saw something on twitter and confirmed it for myself - Mac Minis are completely backordered all the way until April. Even the completely baseline 16/256 M4 Mac Mini.
 
Mm. It's at an aggressive price point as well. There's compromises and flaws, but... Apple's going to sell a heap of these things.

Plus some of the cope is amazing.


Some of the laptops suggested by WC as a Neo killer:

Dell Inspirion Copilot+ PC - $799.99
ASUS Zenbook A14 - $999.99
Samsung Galaxy Book4 - $899.99
Acer Aspire 14 AI - $1049.99

(JUST BUY THEM ON A WEEKEND SALE, GUYS!)
If your a student, a teacher, or got a kid with a student ID you can flash at an Apple Store you can get the Neo for $499
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Just saw something on twitter and confirmed it for myself - Mac Minis are completely backordered all the way until April. Even the completely baseline 16/256 M4 Mac Mini.
I wonder if they are going to retool them to use the same chipset as the Neo?
 
I wonder if they are going to retool them to use the same chipset as the Neo?
Probably not. The Mac Mini's advantage is that it ships with a full-fat chip and has active cooling. Stripping it down to the A-series chips would introduce a huge performance divide between the Mini and the Studio which doesn't really make sense.

The shortage is probably due to AI people buying them up en masse. The Mini isn't a massive seller most of the time so the demand was probably unexpected.
 
Meta is actually lobbying for most of these laws. Microsoft will just use it to further enforce the "No local account" push, and Apple and Google are going to be more than happy to enforce a dob field on their existing account registration requirements.
So on newer macOS, you have to connect to the internet and register the account online in order to use the OS?
 
So on newer macOS, you have to connect to the internet and register the account online in order to use the OS?
You can create local accounts (for now), but Apple Cloud services are even more integrated into the OS than Microsoft's.

Edit: And here's their explanation on how they're already supporting existing Age Verification laws in Brazil, Australia, Singapore, Utah, and Louisiana. Apple has at least publicly said they don't like California's specific law, but there's zero evidence they plan to challenge it in any way.
 
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Can newer macOS work entirely offline?
Yes.

The difference is that Apple's online features actually work, and are genuinely pretty good. A big part of what makes MacOS appealing is that it integrates so smoothly with anything else Apple you own. You can seamlessly move your headphones between your phone and your laptop, you can answer a video call on the phone, walk over to the laptop, and just shift it there. You can start watching a film on the laptop and switch it to the TV, then switch it to your iPad when you're heading out, and if the iPad doesn't have cellular it will automatically tether via your phone if there's no Wifi. If you don't use the online account you're losing out on many of Apple's selling points. But you can absolutely do it, and unlike Microsoft it's not difficult to do so, and they won't nag you about it if you do.

That last part may change now that laws are being made that computer accounts must be linked to personal IDs. It'll start with a mandatory age field, but I don't doubt they'll push for tying it to your passport soon enough. But for now, in terms of the operating system letting you do what you want, macOS is second only to Linux.
 
You do need to go online to setup the OS initially, but after that I believe you can operate completely offline with local apps.
Well that sucks. What if there's no internet availability, or Apple shuts down the online service the setup connects to?

Also, what about running software that doesn't come from the online store "sideloading"?
 
Also, what about running software that doesn't come from the online store "sideloading"?
You can do that just fine. Mac software outside the store is generally distributed either as an "executable folder", where you just download a compressed archive and pull the folder it contains into your applications folder, or as a Windows-style installer. It'll warn you about software downloaded from the internet and gray out the "run anyway" button, but the message also has a link to the option in the settings where you can toggle that safety feature off. You can also install a Linux-style package manager, such as Homebrew or nix, and install software via the terminal.
 
Well that sucks. What if there's no internet availability, or Apple shuts down the online service the setup connects to?
I'm not sure. Macs usually only get OS support for ~7-9 years, but I don't think they've ever disabled activation services for older devices.

My understanding (happy to be corrected by the more Mac-literate) is that part of the initial setup is calling home to Apple servers to generate an owner key that's used to grant your newly created admin account rights to modify key boot and settings. Without this key generation the OS won't boot into MacOS, and you'll be stuck in the setup or restore environment. You can pretty much do every other part of the machine setup completely offline.

I'd imagine there's got to be some way to hack a bypass, but I haven't done any complex system stuff on Macs since Apple Silicon started showing up, so can't say for sure.
 
The difference is that Apple's online features actually work, and are genuinely pretty good
The other thing is that iCloud offers Advanced Data Protection as an option, which completely E2E encrypts your cloud backups in such a way that even Apple can't access (and also comes with a disclaimer warning the user that their data will be inaccessible if they ever lose the backup keys).

They're one of the few big tech companies that routinely tells the US government to pound sand when they come knocking without a warrant (and even sometimes when they do).

I'm not sure. Macs usually only get OS support for ~7-9 years, but I don't think they've ever disabled activation services for older devices.
The update servers for the old PowerPC Macs are still running. If you can get an iBook G4 on the internet, you can still download updates.

My understanding (happy to be corrected by the more Mac-literate) is that part of the initial setup is calling home to Apple servers to generate an owner key that's used to grant your newly created admin account rights to modify key boot and settings
You do need a connection during first setup to activate (as far as I know anyway, I've never setup a completely new Mac without internet), but afterwards the secure enclave on the M-series chips has all the functionality necessary to reprovision the machine in the event of a complete wipe. You will need to bring a second mac so you can use DFU, but the entire process can be done entirely offline as long as you have a second mac (or something sophisticated enough to pretend to be one for DFU purposes).

But in any case - the way MacOS on Apple Silicon works is a bit different. The core OS is kept in an immutable section of SSD that only signed MacOS updates can alter. Even if you want to boot Linux or something, you boot into a stripped-down MacOS first which then transfers control over to Linux. Very hard to fuck up a modern MacOS install in a way that's permanent because the essential parts of the OS are always out of reach of most software (which is also why Apple has nerfed KEXTs so much on Apple SIlicon).

Also, what about running software that doesn't come from the online store "sideloading"?
All software on MacOS must be signed (this is to prevent malicious tampering with executables after approval). You don't need a signature from Apple and a lot of app devs just self-sign (anything built for MacOS using the standard toolchains will be self-signed by default). The only downside to self-signing is that there's additional dialogue boxes for the end-user to jump through to run your software.

Most software is obtained from outside the app store and there's actually good reasons why. App Store enforces a kind of strict sandboxing on applications that can degrade functionality (good example is Scrivener, which doesn't support a bunch of external document formatting scripts when you buy the app store version).

You don't have to be online to get software though if that's what you're asking. If you have .app file for the software you want to install, then it's usually as simple as copying it into your Applications folder.
 
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Has anyone wondered about longevity of new Apple chips? With on package memory, even worse stacked on SoC you're basically throwing away whole CPU or motherboard once memory wears out.
I don't really know of any widespread examples of TSMC InFO-PoP stuff failing. Apple started using it in 2016 with the iPhone 7 and everyone I know with one of those used them for like 6+ years without them dying.

You're almost certainly going to replace the laptop long before the memory wears out.
 
Has anyone wondered about longevity of new Apple chips? With on package memory, even worse stacked on SoC you're basically throwing away whole CPU or motherboard once memory wears out.
Fearmongering bullshit.

People still have working iPhone 5 and 5S, so the Apple Silicon chips are not likely to die before they are no longer supported by macOS.
 
The difference is that Apple's online features actually work, and are genuinely pretty good. A big part of what makes MacOS appealing is that it integrates so smoothly with anything else Apple you own. You can seamlessly move your headphones between your phone and your laptop, you can answer a video call on the phone, walk over to the laptop, and just shift it there. You can start watching a film on the laptop and switch it to the TV, then switch it to your iPad when you're heading out, and if the iPad doesn't have cellular it will automatically tether via your phone if there's no Wifi. If you don't use the online account you're losing out on many of Apple's selling points. But you can absolutely do it, and unlike Microsoft it's not difficult to do so, and they won't nag you about it if you do.
A lot of this doesn't work with Brave, VLC, etc. Just Apple's own apps, which are all tied into their own subscription services. Apple TV+ has a terrible selection. I don't use any subscription services or pay for iCloud.

Also, I can't back up my photos to my desktop without an arduous process of syncing my phone through iTunes, which is temperamental, and then pulling those photos out of the backup using iTunes Backup Explorer. I can't just drag and drop them from Explorer into a folder anymore without it giving up early, for whatever reason.
 
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