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What killed Steve Jobs?

  • Pancreatic Cancer

    Votes: 65 12.2%
  • AIDS from having gay sex with Tim Cook

    Votes: 468 87.8%

  • Total voters
    533
They really missed the boat on this while Microsoft has since done just that.

I too yearn for the day when I can use my Microsoft Rewards points to verify that I'm a good citizen and loyal to the state. But unfortunately, since it's Microsoft, it's half-baked and no one cares.

Unless you're talking about the tablet-laptop hybrid thing that's only ever used as a laptop? Literally never seen one without its keyboard.
 
I too yearn for the day when I can use my Microsoft Rewards points to verify that I'm a good citizen and loyal to the state. But unfortunately, since it's Microsoft, it's half-baked and no one cares.

Unless you're talking about the tablet-laptop hybrid thing that's only ever used as a laptop? Literally never seen one without its keyboard.
Some people use them as pads for drawing. I think there's a special kind of stylus for that. And yeah, the Microsoft thing is kind of a no-go.
 
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I totally forgot this was going to happen today and missed the first hour or so. Here's what seems to be happening:

  • M2 chip; line goes up; appearing in MBA and MBP 13". Didn't catch how M2 compares to M1 Ultra Championship Edition Turbo if they mentioned it
  • New MBA has no wedge shape, has the "notch" for the camera, MagSafe, keeps audio jack lol
  • Apple doing that thing they do every few years when they remember games exist; No Man's Sky (ayo) and RE VIII (AYY YOOOO) coming to Mac later this year; new Metal tech for upscaling low-res renders to keep up frame rates (I think current gen game consoles do similar things)
  • Some interesting collaboration tools for allowing people to work together on documents while chatting on FaceTime; apparently iPad-only though
  • New macOS is named Ventura; has "Stage Manager" which seems to be a new window grouping/virtual desktop sort of thing (was mostly listening during this part so not sure exactly what they were showing)
  • iPad OS gets resizable and stackable windows. Apps no longer required to be "full-scren." Giving it more features of desktop OSes. Huh.
 
Some people use them as pads for drawing. I think there's a special kind of stylus for that. And yeah, the Microsoft thing is kind of a no-go.
If anything, the pen input feature (found in both Apple tables and Microsoft laptops – though not exclusive to either brand) makes them more of a competitor for a dedicated Cintiq 'tablet', but not true competitors for each other.

Oh and hey, this just dropped.

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It's a small victory, but at least the notch isn't white like some people feared. #BlackNotchesMatter

Specs and price are almost the same as the low-end Macbook Pro, which inexplicably got updated with the same processor, despite still using the 2016 design with Touch Bar. Maybe that's Apple throwing a bone to Touch Bar users?

Other than that, same port layout as previous Air (I actually prefer having two of the same port on one side), and it still has a headphone jack, which makes excluding it from Apple's mobile lineup seem all the more bizarre with hindsight. And on that note:

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Fucking SUCK IT, iPhone 7 users. Even in death, the 6S is superior (7 years' OS support, the most of any iOS product). Hopefully if a jailbreak ever comes out for iOS 15, it will keep those phones useful for even longer.

Hehe, 'comes out'... That must be why people say 'late and gay'.

  • New macOS is named Ventura; has "Stage Manager" which seems to be a new window grouping/virtual desktop sort of thing (was mostly listening during this part so not sure exactly what they were showing)

Okay, this will take some explaining. A part of me that I thought had died is legitimately excited for new multitasking features on the Mac. But only because I hope it gets rid of the virtual desktops/Spaces feature, which I never use, and it only ever gets in the way.

PCfags won't know what I'm talking about, but it is such a pain in the arse when you use the 3-finger 'Application Expose' to switch between browser windows, which doesn't even work in Full Screen. Chrome and Brave both use the native Full Screen and I wish that they didn't. It also makes the entire window disappear into its own hidden space when you watch a video in full-screen so that sometimes you can't find it later.

As tempted as I am to load the beta onto my main machine to see if it fixes this annoyance (or at least gives me an option to disable it), I think it's safer just to not get my hopes up. Can anyone else confirm?
 
Specs and price are almost the same as the low-end Macbook Pro, which inexplicably got updated with the same processor, despite still using the 2016 design with Touch Bar. Maybe that's Apple throwing a bone to Touch Bar users?

I just noticed this myself when playing in Apple's online store. What is going on here?

13" MBP with M2, 16MB of RAM, 512GB SSD, no notch two Thunderbolt ports, no MagSafe, fucking Touch Bar: $1700

13.6" MBA with M2, 16MB of RAM, 512GB SSD, notch, two Thunderbolt ports, MagSafe, full-size function keys: $1700

Why the hell would anyone buy the MBP unless they really hate the notch (or really love Touch Bar hahaha as if such a person existed)? Apple is cannibalizing their own market. Maybe the MBP is slightly faster due to being bigger and maybe having better thermals but it can't be that big of a difference.

EDIT: And being able to power the MBA with the MagSafe means you have a free TB port for connecting more stuff without hubs or daisy-chaining - something else pro users will care about. This plus the bigger screen plus the function keys mean the Air is more pro than the Pro!
 
I just noticed this myself when playing in Apple's online store. What is going on here?

13" MBP with M2, 16MB of RAM, 512GB SSD, no notch two Thunderbolt ports, no MagSafe, fucking Touch Bar: $1700

13.6" MBA with M2, 16MB of RAM, 512GB SSD, notch, two Thunderbolt ports, MagSafe, full-size function keys: $1700

Why the hell would anyone buy the MBP unless they really hate the notch (or really love Touch Bar hahaha as if such a person existed)? Apple is cannibalizing their own market. Maybe the MBP is slightly faster due to being bigger and maybe having better thermals but it can't be that big of a difference.

EDIT: And being able to power the MBA with the MagSafe means you have a free TB port for connecting more stuff without hubs or daisy-chaining - something else pro users will care about. This plus the bigger screen plus the function keys mean the Air is more pro than the Pro!
The continued existence of the old-style 13in MacBook Pro is truly baffling, kinda like how the iPad Pro 11” still exists despite the iPad Air being basically the same device (to the point of fitting the same accessories) but $200 cheaper, I believe with a slightly worse screen and camera (lmao).
 
Why the hell would anyone buy the MBP unless they really hate the notch (or really love Touch Bar hahaha as if such a person existed)? Apple is cannibalizing their own market. Maybe the MBP is slightly faster due to being bigger and maybe having better thermals but it can't be that big of a difference.

EDIT: And being able to power the MBA with the MagSafe means you have a free TB port for connecting more stuff without hubs or daisy-chaining - something else pro users will care about. This plus the bigger screen plus the function keys mean the Air is more pro than the Pro!

Wait, I remembered. It's so they can say the Macbook Pro "starts at $1299".

And it was never for the benefit of the Touch Bar fans. They literally only chose this particular model because it's cheap to make. But even if the manufacturing cost turned out the same as it was for the Air, they'd still be selling the low-end Pro at the same price and specs for one main reason. And it's the same reason the low-end Pro has always existed.

Every Macbook Pro that's worth buying starts at $1999, which is a hard pill to swallow. (Had to double-check because even I can't believe it's that high.) But in your head, it feels like spending $1299, then $700, which is slightly easier to rationalise.

It doesn't matter that anyone remotely considering the low-end Pro should be steered politely towards the Air. Because if Apple said the Pro starts at $1999, it would make that entire product like look too expensive. And if enough of the people who initially considered the low-end Pro can be upsold to a high-end version, then it warrants keeping that model around.

What I cannot explain however is this:

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Why do Britbongs pay so fucking much for a DOA laptop?
 
Hmm when it comes to the M2 it seems that the Air is $100.00 less then the Pro
As tempted as I am to load the beta onto my main machine to see if it fixes this annoyance (or at least gives me an option to disable it), I think it's safer just to not get my hopes up. Can anyone else confirm?
I would say not to get your hopes up for now when it comes to installing Ventura if you do want to install it then dual boot with Monterey and Ventura or run Ventura in a Virtual Machine.
 
Fucking SUCK IT, iPhone 7 users. Even in death, the 6S is superior (7 years' OS support, the most of any iOS product). Hopefully if a jailbreak ever comes out for iOS 15, it will keep those phones useful for even longer.
ACKWUALLY the iPad Air 2 is the king of iOS support. It came with iOS 8 and made it to 15. The 6s came with iOS 9.

Apple dropping support for the iPhone 7 which has an A10 processor, but letting the 4th gen iPad (with an A9) and 5th gen (with an A10) run iOS 16 is lame. I know their iPad business is the pimple on the ass of their iPhone business, but it reeks of "buy a new phone already!" They also seem to be getting aggressive with dropping mac support. RIP my late 2015 5k iMac.

The M2 seems like a stop gap solution until they can produce their 3nm chips next year. The new Air is nice, but once you upgrade the RAM and storage you're approaching refurb 14" pro pricing.
 
Hmm when it comes to the M2 it seems that the Air is $100.00 less then the Pro
If you compare the base models, yes, but the base model Air's M2 has 8 graphics cores whereas the base Pro's has 10. And both have 8GB of RAM, which I consider too low for most "pro" workflows nowadays.
 
If you compare the base models, yes, but the base model Air's M2 has 8 graphics cores whereas the base Pro's has 10. And both have 8GB of RAM, which I consider too low for most "pro" workflows nowadays.
I would agree with you on that one since my browser gets glitchy with 8
ACKWUALLY the iPad Air 2 is the king of iOS support. It came with iOS 8 and made it to 15. The 6s came with iOS 9.
One of the reasons I can think of why old iPads are supported more than iPhones is that a lot of schools and businesses use them.
 
ACKWUALLY the iPad Air 2 is the king of iOS support. It came with iOS 8 and made it to 15. The 6s came with iOS 9.

Apple dropping support for the iPhone 7 which has an A10 processor, but letting the 4th gen iPad (with an A9) and 5th gen (with an A10) run iOS 16 is lame. I know their iPad business is the pimple on the ass of their iPhone business, but it reeks of "buy a new phone already!" They also seem to be getting aggressive with dropping mac support. RIP my late 2015 5k iMac.

TENCIHCALLY three of those were iPadOS releases. Totally different operating system from iOS!

The M2 seems like a stop gap solution until they can produce their 3nm chips next year. The new Air is nice, but once you upgrade the RAM and storage you're approaching refurb 14" pro pricing.

The winning combination is a refurb Macbook Pro 14" with the base storage spec and a flush-mount adapter for a 1TB microSD (or 2TB when Sandisk eventually makes one, or 4TB...) Or if you don't care about looks, just tape an external disk to the back of the screen and leave it permanently docked in one of the USB ports. I've actually seen someone do this.

The continued existence of the old-style 13in MacBook Pro is truly baffling, kinda like how the iPad Pro 11” still exists despite the iPad Air being basically the same device (to the point of fitting the same accessories) but $200 cheaper, I believe with a slightly worse screen and camera (lmao).

This iPad Air also comes with less storage than the Pro (64 instead of 128). If you upgrade them both to 256, then the price difference shrinks to a mere $150, which you can rationalise as $50 for the cameras and $100 for the M1 (both of which are quite frankly overkill for a tablet edited to add that the M1 is a system requirement for the new multitasking feature). The Pro also has an option to upgrade to 512, 1TB, or 2TB, which again is almost certainly overkill for a tablet unless you have a very specific need for it.

Then again, even if you are the type of type of Creative Professional™ who seems to exist only in Apple's marketing material, bear in mind that your "Pro" device will still only have a single port, so don't expect to use more than one USB-C accessory at a time, including for charging. Your keyboard had better be bluetooth or one of the few that actually uses Apple's proprietary port-that's-barely-a-port. Your audio will most likely be wireless and any kind of expandable storage like what I described above would be out of the question.
 
Can the M2 chip finally drive more than one monitor? Or do you need to still shill out for an M1 pro chip? As a side note, does anyone know if something like the macOS preview application exists on windows? Or fuck it, what do ya'll use to read pdfs/epubs on windows that isn't just in a web browser and has nice functionality?
 
Can the M2 chip finally drive more than one monitor?
The M1 is already capable of driving two monitors officially, three under certain conditions.
As a side note, does anyone know if something like the macOS preview application exists on windows? Or fuck it, what do ya'll use to read pdfs/epubs on windows that isn't just in a web browser and has nice functionality?
You're asking about Windows software in the Apple thread… but have you tried Foxit Reader for PDFs? I remember using that on Windows at some point though I can't remember why. No idea about epubs (there's Calibre but if the Windows version is like the Mac version, and I'm sure it is, it's buggy with an ugly, confusing UI).
 
macOS preview application exists on windows? Or fuck it, what do ya'll use to read pdfs/epubs on windows that isn't just in a web browser and has nice functionality?
I think photos on windows and I use adobe acrobat reader on windows.
 
As a side note, does anyone know if something like the macOS preview application exists on windows? Or fuck it, what do ya'll use to read pdfs/epubs on windows that isn't just in a web browser and has nice functionality?
Not really, no. I think the closest thing outside Mac OS X might be Okular, which started out as the KDE PDF app but now does a lot more and is available for Windows etc.

Don't bother installing Adobe reader, it's dogshit. I used to use Foxit Reader, but now use SumatraPDF, which reads PDFs and epubs/mobis and most importantly is very very fast.
 
Okay, this will take some explaining. A part of me that I thought had died is legitimately excited for new multitasking features on the Mac. But only because I hope it gets rid of the virtual desktops/Spaces feature, which I never use, and it only ever gets in the way.

PCfags won't know what I'm talking about, but it is such a pain in the arse when you use the 3-finger 'Application Expose' to switch between browser windows, which doesn't even work in Full Screen. Chrome and Brave both use the native Full Screen and I wish that they didn't. It also makes the entire window disappear into its own hidden space when you watch a video in full-screen so that sometimes you can't find it later.

As tempted as I am to load the beta onto my main machine to see if it fixes this annoyance (or at least gives me an option to disable it), I think it's safer just to not get my hopes up. Can anyone else confirm?

Gah, I have... no nice words to say about the Stage Manager feature. In isolation, it looks fine. In the context of the OS, it's just a worse version of the Dock with a bit of Mission Control/Spaces thrown in. Instead of complimenting the functionality of those features, Stage Manager merely duplicates it. It looks like one of those janky third-party app switchers with a little more polish and a little less customisability. Or it looks like something designed for an iPad... with a touchscreen.

And yet, [edited to clarify:] the iPad version of this feature is inspiring critics to call iPadOS "an increasingly convoluted mess" so it can't be much of a success on that platform either. Besides, if it really is the future of multitasking, then it was a dick move of Apple to limit it to the M1 iPads, especially when it's been implemented internally a decade and a half ago.

I haven't tried the Ventura beta, nor do I own an iPad, but I probably don't need to, And do you know what really pissed me off about this? It was Craig giving his lousy PR statement about how redundant functionality is good because it allows different people to use the product in different ways. Here's my biggest problem with that (emphasis mine):

"On the Mac, there are so many different ways to work. Some people use spaces, some people are in and out of Mission Control. Some people are command tab people, some people like to create a mess, some people clean up their messes and some people use minimization. I mean, there's no wrong answer here, there are a lot of valid ways to work on the Mac."

He officially recognised the command-tab people! I feel so seen! Except no, because while they were focusing on polishing other features, they forgot that command-tab rudely shoves you to a different space if you use it in a Full Screen app. And since command-tab can't be used to switch between windows of the same app, you'll need Application Expose, and yet Apple completely disabled it in Full Screen. Chromium-based browsers use the native Full Screen every damn time you maximise a video, and I watch enough Youtube videos maximised that it's become a major annoyance. (I realise that by saying this, I'm powerlevelling myself as a shut-in who watches too much Youtube, but I can't be the only one who wants to tab out mid-video without needing to switch Spaces.)

Rationally, Full Screen apps - a feature that has been broken since Lion - shouldn't really annoy me that much. But with the last decade from Apple having been a string of disappointments (10 years, almost to the day, since they soldered the RAM in "pro" laptops), this is looking more and more like a last straw moment for me with the Mac. It's been a long time coming.
 
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