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What killed Steve Jobs?

  • Pancreatic Cancer

    Votes: 65 12.2%

  • AIDS from having gay sex with Tim Cook

    Votes: 468 87.8%
  • Total voters
    533
In another case of "They're listening! Hey everyone, Apple's actually listening!", Safari 15.1, which will come along for the ride when you install Monterey or can be installed separately if you're not ready to commit to that yet, returns the designs of the tabs back to actual tabs rather than the button-like things that Safari 15 introduced, while still keeping the tab groups feature (which I've become quite attached to). I suggest installing it immediately.
 
In a better world, Apple would have released this exact same line of products in 2021, and it would have been greeted as a fairly average design refresh to an already-great machine - notable mainly for its display notch and not much else. Complainers would still be complaining about the storage prices (which are obscene, by the way) and Youtubers would be salivating over the M1 Pro chip, but outside of the Apple fan space, not many people would give a single fuck.

Of course, the only real difference between that world and ours is that Apple would have sold their line of 'Pro' laptops from 2016-present with a sensible array of ports, function keys, and no fragile butterfly keyboards. They could have even sold the 12-inch dildo Macbook in the same time period and it still wouldn't have been that big of a deal when the 2021 MBPs had none of its features.

If those hypothetical 2016 laptops had included USB-A alongside USB-C (which I don't think would have slowed the adoption of USB-C by much), there would have undoubtedly been some groaning when the 2021 models dispensed with the former port entirely. But most people with an opinion would have agreed it was time for USB-A to go (myself included).

Really speaks volumes about the awfulness of the previous generation when so very much of the praise is about the return of things that laptop users can and should take for granted. Don't get me wrong - the praise is entirely deserved. But it is just current-Apple solving a problem that 2016-Apple created.

gasman said:
Last year Apple ditched the butterfly keyboard on the entire laptop line up, so this isn't entirely new for post-Steve era Apple.
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It's also very telling that the last two times the company broke character and reverted a major design change - they were both something to do with the Touch Bar generation of laptops. (And no, I'm not counting the new Safari tabs, since that barely made it out of beta, whereas the butterfly keys and this were glaring flaws that shipped with their flagship products for years.)


Also, to quote a user on MacRumors, "The only decent product launch this year has been the MacBook Pro."

But the best part of that post is not the quote itself but the one he's replying to - nay, the entire fucking thread. You'd understand if you saw the headline. And so I'll leave you with these 9 pages (and counting) of MacRumors salt:

Microsoft Overtakes Apple as World's Most Valuable Company​

 
After a few months of using the iPad Pro 12.9 2021 I have to say it's a fucking beast and great for conferences/slides n'shit. Magic Keyboard and A/V adapter, can keep it plugged in without having to worry about the battery shitting itself.

Literally my only complaint is I wish Apple's file transfer wasn't so retarded that it wants us to rely more on airdrop than usb in order to transfer a large amount of PDFs to the iPad but that's my only gripe, since it now recognizes external HDs I just have to transfer them from my backup rather than desktop
 
AirDrop flakes out and sucks balls so hard I often just email stuff to my own gmail account.
 
That's actually a fairly good idea if I'm ever in a pinch.

I'm pretty anal about backing everything up so I just carry one of my backup with me in my case and I'm fine 90% of the time
 
For the longest time I was convinced that Apple devices are for those who flaunt their wealth or for snobs. Recently I got a MacBook Air as a work computer. After my experiences with it, that belief of mine got stronger. Everyday, office and programming software is not any better than the good stuff Windows and Linux can offer, the terminal is just a (slightly different?) bash shell on startup. Even if I run just a single browser the Mac heats up quite a loot, and two YT tabs are enough to make it slow down.

I won't say Apple devices are all rubbish or that their users are all morons. Couriosity or being forced to use one and etc. are all factors. But they are overpriced, overhyped rigs mostly used by snobs, hipsters and people who shake their money at others.
 
Or you have people who don't mind shelling out a bit more money for a computer/phone/tablet that you can reliably use on a daily basis for the next 5-7 years and will never shit itself with great integrated connectivity between them and you won't have to deal with the kind of shit that comes with using Windows or Linux.

Especially if you deal with audio/video recording/editing or don't do much more with your electronics other than basic browsing, watching videos and paying your taxes and shit.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
Or you have people who don't mind shelling out a bit more money for a computer/phone/tablet that you can reliably use on a daily basis for the next 5-7 years and will never shit itself with great integrated connectivity between them and you won't have to deal with the kind of shit that comes with using Windows or Linux.

Especially if you deal with audio/video recording/editing or don't do much more with your electronics other than basic browsing, watching videos and paying your taxes and shit.
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The integration tools can be substituted with websites or some smarts, the basic stuff does not justify large piles of cash, and if you buy a decent machine and mind your internet activities, a Windows, Linux and even Android device can last long as well. High-tier editing is where I would almost agree, but the prestige price of Macs roughly brings your spendings up to the same level as a decent Windows rig + a paid program.
 
See that's what a lot of people like you aren't taking in account:

Yeah, the integration tools can be substituted with other stuff, but if you don't want to bother yourself about it and have it come out of the box, it works pretty much flawlessly with Apple. Write down a note on my phone, finish it after work on my iMac, or leave myself a post-it note on my iPad from my iMac to remember to do shit when I'm back in class, all of my shit gets automatically backed up to iCloud so whatever I'm working on I just pick any of them and can keep working. The whole suite is like that, literal plug'n'play instead of having to deal with various websites and setting up other apps.

A lot of people would rather not deal with the headache of having to do all of that shit. On top of it you don't have to worry about firewalls, viruses, etc... Yes yes I know they exist but they are still something you don't have to worry about unless you fuck outside of the ecosystem, and 99% of people have no reason to.

Take that in account, and keep in mind that a lot of the people who can afford to spend that kind of money on electronics tend to be older, in their 40s and 50s or plus. I have my mother who's about to retire, got her an iPad which she loves and doesn't have the same problems she does with her windows laptop, and even my grandmother can pick up her iPad and knows how to deal with at shit and she's over 90 and the biggest piece of electronics she's used before is basically the tv remote (and grandma ain't fucking with anything except on/off changing channels and volume).

Add that on top of the fact that those are durable and are really unlikely to shit the bed on you and that it's quite common for people to keep using a mac for 7+ years or so. Between ease of use, quality, integration and the fact you won't have to do any maintenance, it justifies the price tag for a whole lot of people who can simply afford it. Why not pay $500-$1000 bucks extra if you're going to avoid having to deal with a lot of shit you don't want to?

That's the same reason people go to garages instead of learning how to fix their own cars and saving a shit ton of money. If you can afford it and don't want to be bothered, what's wrong with that?
 
Taking a note and working with it can be done with Google Docs, Drive can do auto-backup as well, all these can be left logged in on a decent Android Phone and Tablet + a decent PC or laptop.

Viruses mostly stay away from you if you mind yourself on the web.

As for being long-lasting, a large chunk of Android users to this day use versions from many years ago (eg.: Android 7). And not neccessarily because of being poor.

Repairing a car's engine takes a substantial amount of technical expertise, the difference in that case is much greater than between iCloud and Google Drive or iOS and Android.
 
Splinters RCVD said:
As for being long-lasting, a large chunk of Android users to this day use versions from many years ago (eg.: Android 7). And not neccessarily because of being poor.
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A large chunk of the user base being stuck on a five year old, unsupported version of the OS isn’t exactly something to brag about.

Meanwhile, most if not all Apple devices from that period are still supported on their latest OS, and devices even older than that, despite not getting the latest software, are still getting security updates to this day.

Like, yeah Apple wants you to buy a new phone every year, but the iPhone 5s from eight years ago still works just fine today (…after a battery replacement of course, assuming you’ve actually been using it the entire time), still gets occasional security patches, and is almost certainly a better phone than a current year low-budget Android you could get at the same price (~$120).
 
'Unsupported' simply means no technical assistance from Google. Third-party tutorials, fixes etc. are still available.
 
Splinters RCVD said:
Taking a note and working with it can be done with Google Docs, Drive can do auto-backup as well, all these can be left logged in on a decent Android Phone and Tablet + a decent PC or laptop.
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Here is what, out of the box, works across all devices with sync without you having shit to set them up aside entering your Apple ID:


Calendar/Reminder
Contacts/Face Time/Messages/Mail
Photos
Notes
Pages/Numbers/Keynotes
Books
Podcasts
Music

I don't have to do shit, all of this just backs itself up and syncs itself. On top of which there are things like your phonecalls being sent from your phone to your ipad or computer if it's in one room and you're in another you don't need to go and get it you can just answer on the spot.

You really think your average person wants to deal with setting all of that shit off across three devices with different apps? And they are different apps, no, Notes and Pages aren't the same, and Google Docs doesn't replace both of them (speaking of, you can also use Google Docs and Drive as well if you want to)

Quality, user friendly and convenience are the three biggest selling points for the average mac user who doesn't do audio/video editing
 
Splinters RCVD said:
'Unsupported' simply means no technical assistance from Google. Third-party tutorials, fixes etc. are still available.
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No, “unsupported” actually means “no more security patches”.

Besides, is it so hard to understand that most people do not want to have to look up tutorials and fixes and expect the device they paid for to.. ya know.. just work?

I’m always down to shit on Apple for their stupid decisions (like I have in this very thread not too long ago), but seamless integration across the ecosystem right out the box is THE thing they’ve gotten right, and is absolutely not the same as having the ability to set up mostly-but-not-quite-equivalent alternatives on other platforms if you cared to put in the time and effort.
 
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The only thing I want that I can't get on my MacBook is a good cbr/cbz cataloging program. Otherwise, Mac software covers my needs.
 
I really only use my MacBook for music stuff, namely Logic Pro (read: the plugins included) and Pro Tools. Ever since WSL dropped, I haven't even really needed macOS for development since WSL/Docker works just fine. While I can use Pro Tools on Windows, I generally don't think there's a great DAW for Windows. FL Studio and Reaper do a lot, but the quality of the plugins in Logic Pro speak for themselves.

I would generally agree Apple's obsession over design, fashion, and trying to be an un-PC sucks any joy I have about their products. I may transition off completely once the ARM move is done. If they came with turn signals, nobody would use them. Also, they have been caught deliberately gimping their hardware over time. They claim its for battery issues, but we know better. I know because I have a refurbished air with a battery change, and its been crap since I upgraded it to El Capitan.
 
talk talk talk said:
The only thing I want that I can't get on my MacBook is a good cbr/cbz cataloging program. Otherwise, Mac software covers my needs.
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And for what it doesn't, there's always Homebrew.
 
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