Apple Thread - The most overrated technology brand?

[Kosher Dill]

I got a 2009 iMac running El Capitan 10.11.6 and since last night I keep getting the "Your connection is not private" error for the Wikipedia and Quora websites on Chrome and Safari.

Right, you're probably seeing that same thing because of the root certificates issue. I'm wondering if there's any way for an end user to update these on Mac. I don't have one myself to experiment with.

I guess the real answer is, even if there is a way to manually update, this is just going to keep happening as more certificates inevitably expire, so maybe it's time to junk the machine.

 

[Least Concern]

M1 (and T2) Macs can be activation locked like iPads and iPhones rendering them useless if they haven't been unlocked first. Also there's a whole new concept of the Owner Identity Certificate that must be obtained from Apple's servers before installing a new OS.

I've never heard of remote locking happening without a user requesting it, and though I won't pretend to totally understand the OIC thing, whatever it is isn't stopping you from installing Linux or BSD on your M1 right now if you want to. Alternative OSes on M1 hardware are not a hypothetical, so long as you can put up with some teething pains.

Asking for help on behalf of a boomer: they have an old Mac (like from 2008 or so) and I think it's running into issues with a root CA certificate being expired. It sounds like this:

Let's Encrypt's Root Certificate is expiring!

On 30th September 2021, the root certificate that Let's Encrypt are currently using, the IdentTrust DST Root CA X3 certificate, will expire. You may or may not need to do anything about this Root CA expiring, but I'm betting a few things will probably break on that day so here's

scotthelme.co.uk

Does anyone know if there's a way to update these or is the machine just useless for MacOS now?

Ah, this might also explain why my IRC client doesn't want to connect to Freenode today. Fun. Good thing it's pretty much a dead network anyway.

Anyway, have your boomer friend try Firefox or one of its derivatives. IIRC those use their own certificate libraries and don't rely on the OS ones, so they might be more up-to-date than what the OS has available.

 

[Least Concern]

MacRumors has yet another article sperging about Safari tabs.

As I use dark mode like a normal person, I'm not really confused by which tab is active since the active one is still lighter than the others for me. But on top of previous complaints, I've had issues where Safari will crash when dragging a tab, and then when it comes back up, it loads a state of tabs from several hours ago. That means that tabs I've opened with articles I wanted to read or videos I wanted to watch are just gone - poof - while other tabs I was "done with" and had closed are back open again. I don't understand why Safari can't update its state of open tabs every time I open or close one as seemed to be happening with previous versions (for a while Safari 14 would crash once a day at a seemingly random time, as if an internal 20-to-28-hour timer had just counted down to zero, but at least then all my tabs would be in the same place when it came back up).

Really hope they get this shit ironed out. There's some good ideas here but they just weren't implemented competently.

 

[AnOminous]

MacRumors has yet another article sperging about Safari tabs.

As I use dark mode like a normal person, I'm not really confused by which tab is active since the active one is still lighter than the others for me. But on top of previous complaints, I've had issues where Safari will crash when dragging a tab, and then when it comes back up, it loads a state of tabs from several hours ago. That means that tabs I've opened with articles I wanted to read or videos I wanted to watch are just gone - poof - while other tabs I was "done with" and had closed are back open again. I don't understand why Safari can't update its state of open tabs every time I open or close one as seemed to be happening with previous versions (for a while Safari 14 would crash once a day at a seemingly random time, as if an internal 20-to-28-hour timer had just counted down to zero, but at least then all my tabs would be in the same place when it came back up).

Really hope they get this shit ironed out. There's some good ideas here but they just weren't implemented competently.

Tbh I haven't been able to stand using Safari since 2010 or so. Literally the first thing I do whenever I have to use an Apple product other than a phone is get something better than Safari.

 

[Least Concern]

An Apple Event has been announced for next Monday (18th).

As expected, we're getting an event this month too, and hopefully this will be the one where we'll get some new Macs.

 

[LegoTugboat]

Yup. Lot of rumours about this being the Mac event, featuring a 14 and 16 inch M1X MacBook Pro.

With 16 to 32 core M1 based GPU, among other interesting things. Assuming a worst case scenario a 40% leap over the 8 core M1, that puts it damn close to a 2060.

 

[WinnieTheJew]

I got an iPad as a gift two years ago and I'm about to sell it. The iOS 15 update broke the only anemic barely functional ad blocker so it's not even good for watching youtube videos and reading news articles anymore. Getting files on/off it is also a chore so it's shit for reading PDFs. I don't understand why these devices are popular.

 

[HarryHowler]

An Apple Event has been announced for next Monday (18th).

As expected, we're getting an event this month too, and hopefully this will be the one where we'll get some new Macs.

Apparently Magsafe's going to be making a comeback. While that'd certainly be welcome, I hope it still has USB-C charging as well. Being able to connect to the mains on either side of the system can be surprisingly handy.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Apparently Magsafe's going to be making a comeback. While that'd certainly be welcome, I hope it still has USB-C charging as well. Being able to connect to the mains on either side of the system can be surprisingly handy.

I haven't used any newer Macbooks, can they charge from ANY USB C port? Or are there only two (one on each side) to begin with?

More options are always good. The issue with Magsafe is that the wire on Apple's chargers fucking SUCK and the plastic WILL fray off after a year if you actually take it out and about and are constantly wrapping and unwrapping the wire. Of course being an Apple accessory they're also ridiculously expensive, and (AFAIK) there's no third-party options, so you're either living with a frayed cable, or coughing up $80 for a cable that will inevitably fray within a year anyways. At least with USB C, the cable isn't permanently attached to the brick, and there's plenty of options for good USB C Cables you could use as an alternative to Apple's crap.

 

[Least Concern]

I haven't used any newer Macbooks, can they charge from ANY USB C port? Or are there only two (one on each side) to begin with?

The MBA and M1 MBP have two ports, but they're both on the left side. You can charge from either port, but you need a high-wattage charger in order to charge while using the laptop. From my experience the laptop does slowly charge from a "normal" USB cable, but only only while it's off or sleeping.

A compromise between Magsafe and a standard USB-C cable could be done with a cable which has a breakaway segment near the USB-C connector, similar to those wired OG Xbox controllers. You could still use a non-Apple-branded cable if you don't need the breakaway feature and you wouldn't need a new Magsafe "port" on the laptop. That's personally the approach I'd like to see.

But even before that, I just wanna see some USB-A and HDMI ports. Even if Apple did some product segmentation by keeping the two USB-Cs on the Air but putting more ports on the Pro, I think that'd be a good compromise and offer a lot more differentiation between the MBA and MBP than there currently is (there's not really a good reason to get an MBP over the higher-end MBA currently).

 

[Kosher Dill]

A compromise between Magsafe and a standard USB-C cable could be done with a cable which has a breakaway segment near the USB-C connector

Those do exist:

Universal Magnetic USB C 100W Charging Cable For Laptops- Infinity – Chargeasap

Infinity is the first universal magnetic charging cable to support 100W PD Charge, QC3.0/4.0 & Data Transfer for Apple, Micro USB, USB C & USB-C Laptops including Macbook Air and Macbook Pro. A huge technological leap in the world of fast charging magnetic cables.

chargeasap.com

I have a couple and they seem fine, though I haven't verified the power rating.

 

[Least Concern]

Last-minute rumors are indicating that Apple is making a laptop with a screen that has a "notch" for the camera like some iPhones do, and that these screens might be present on the MBPs to be announced Monday.

MacBook Pro Display With Notch Shown in Alleged Photo Leak

Following a sketchy rumor that claimed the next MacBook Pro models could feature a notch at the top of the display, an alleged photo of a MacBook Pro...

www.macrumors.com

In the macOS Monterey beta, MacRumors discovered potential display resolutions of 3024x1964 and 3456x2234 for the rumored 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models. When subtracting 74 pixels from the height of both, the resulting 3024x1890 and 3456x2160 resolutions work out to an aspect ratio of 16:10. All of Apple's current MacBooks feature a 16:10 aspect ratio, leading to speculation that the extra 74 pixels could be for a notch.

I think it's plausible; on today's wide screens, the menu bar is usually empty near the middle, and on cases where it isn't I guess they could just move the additional menu bar items to the right of the camera or something.

It reminds me of seeing screenshots from the beta days of OS X that had the Apple menu square in the middle of the menu bar (and that was back in the days of 4:3 screens). I guess even back then they were trying to figure out some productive use of that space.



I just hope they do something to present the screen as a normal 16:10 screen to typically full-screen applications like games so that we can avoid having the notch overlap potentially important UI elements.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Last-minute rumors are indicating that Apple is making a laptop with a screen that has a "notch" for the camera like some iPhones do, and that these screens might be present on the MBPs to be announced Monday.

MacBook Pro Display With Notch Shown in Alleged Photo Leak

Following a sketchy rumor that claimed the next MacBook Pro models could feature a notch at the top of the display, an alleged photo of a MacBook Pro...

www.macrumors.com

I think it's plausible; on today's wide screens, the menu bar is usually empty near the middle, and on cases where it isn't I guess they could just move the additional menu bar items to the right of the camera or something.

It reminds me of seeing screenshots from the beta days of OS X that had the Apple menu square in the middle of the menu bar (and that was back in the days of 4:3 screens). I guess even back then they were trying to figure out some productive use of that space.

View attachment 2631757

I just hope they do something to present the screen as a normal 16:10 screen to typically full-screen applications like games so that we can avoid having the notch overlap potentially important UI elements.

Perhaps it's a 16:10+extra-strip-on-top screen, and when you go fullscreen it'll just blank out the menu bar. It'll still be smaller than existing bezels.

 

[cybertoaster]

I'm seriously considering buying an air and do the thermal mod since for the price theres no laptop with that much power and that much battery life.

Then I remember I'm using a desktop 99% of the time specially with the shangai-shivers still around, that the M1 can only run ARM code meaning mac's already laughable software library just got smaller, and finally zero vidya.

With 16 to 32 core M1 based GPU, among other interesting things. Assuming a worst case scenario a 40% leap over the 8 core M1, that puts it damn close to a 2060.

So besides video editing and 3D modeling what can you use that GPU for?

Last-minute rumors are indicating that Apple is making a laptop with a screen that has a "notch" for the camera like some iPhones do, and that these screens might be present on the MBPs to be announced Monday.

MacBook Pro Display With Notch Shown in Alleged Photo Leak

Following a sketchy rumor that claimed the next MacBook Pro models could feature a notch at the top of the display, an alleged photo of a MacBook Pro...

www.macrumors.com

Fucking why? so they can LIDAR my face and years later sell the 3D model? I fully expect many iphone users to be featured in SFM/blender porn in the future, or some sort of ultrarealistic deepfakes.

All it takes is one "leak" and its done.

 

[Least Concern]

I'm seriously considering buying an air and do the thermal mod since for the price theres no laptop with that much power and that much battery life.

Thermal mod? Why? My M1 Air never gets anywhere near as hot as any other Mac laptop I've owned.

Then I remember I'm using a desktop 99% of the time specially with the shangai-shivers still around, that the M1 can only run ARM code meaning mac's already laughable software library just got smaller, and finally zero vidya.

Mac software compiled for Intel works seamlessly via emulation. This includes games.

So besides video editing and 3D modeling what can you use that GPU for?

You're pretty quick to dismiss video editing and 3D modeling. Maybe you don't care about those things but a lot of people do. There's games as mentioned above, plus ML.

Fucking why? so they can LIDAR my face and years later sell the 3D model? I fully expect many iphone users to be featured in SFM/blender porn in the future, or some sort of ultrarealistic deepfakes.

Now you're just being goofy. You want to come in this thread and diss Macs, that's fine, but at least base it on any of the many actual reasons to do so instead of false info and crazy what-ifs.

 

[cybertoaster]

Thermal mod? Why? My M1 Air never gets anywhere near as hot as any other Mac laptop I've owned.

Heard with the mod you can avoid the throttling and it runs as fast as the pro model

Am I wrong?

Mac software compiled for Intel works seamlessly via emulation. This includes games.

What games? hows the steam support for the M1?

You're pretty quick to dismiss video editing and 3D modeling. Maybe you don't care about those things but a lot of people do. There's games as mentioned above, plus ML.

Not dismissing anything but I dont work on that so what am I gonna use it for?

Might go into ML tho but I think my money would be better invested on a 3xxx GPU or some TPU

Now you're just being goofy. You want to come in this thread and diss Macs, that's fine, but at least base it on any of the many actual reasons to do so instead of false info and crazy what-ifs.

Did you forget about the fappening? it was all apple's shitty security that caused it

 

[Least Concern]

Heard with the mod you can avoid the throttling and it runs as fast as the pro model

Am I wrong?

Oh, I don't know. Maybe it throttles to some extent, but not to any that I've noticed it. It's always been fast enough when it needed to be for me.

What games? hows the steam support for the M1?

Well, every game which runs on 64-bit Intel Macs. Not really sure how to answer that otherwise. (Sadly 32-bit-only Intel software still isn't supported which leaves out some older classics like pretty much everything Valve released when they still made games.)

There are many AAA and Japanese games which were never released for Mac and never will be, but even without those I find there's still plenty to keep my attention. Recently I've been letting Tropico 6 suck up all my time again. And, of course, there's always the autistic cube game. If/when I can stop being a poor again I will probably buy a decent gaming PC and get in on some of the games I'm missing but for now I'm doing fine.

As for Steam support, do you mean the Steam client itself? It works. Kinda shitty as always but it does its job.

 

[AnOminous]

Did you forget about the fappening? it was all apple's shitty security that caused it

More like retarded idiots putting their nudes on Internet devices at all, ever, period.

 

[Least Concern]

NOTCH CONFIRMED

Ports and MagSafe are back too.

 

[What the shit]

I remember they used to have "the app of the week" and it would always make a game free that usually had a price tag around them like monument valley or magnetized. Those we're the days.