Apple Is Good

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maddox

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I have had the realization that most criticism of Apple is petty, and only because they are popular while most critics point to how they do not allow repair, even though Samsung does the same. most critics will point to the closed nature as a disadvantage but fail to point out how they will say Apple fans are sheep while being sheep themselves who repeat the same dumb talking points. Wolfgang perfectly pointed this out in his video about why he switched to Mac. Hating Apple is the new Hating Nickleback. little reasoning, but just because it's popular. I am guilty of this. I wanted to be seen as cool and popular, so I hated Apple, but now I know the truth. Even Richard Stallman's reasoning for hating Apple is so dumb he hates them because they don't pay taxes. and the lack of repairability, which even the biggest Apple fanboys admit, even people like Luke Smith call Apple bad because they all macbooks look the same, even though all thinkpads look the same, and Macs have custom cases you can get.



Hating Apple is stupid. Apple is good.
 
Since this thread is about smartphones, HTC was good before they adopted Chrome. Apple is, at best, no worse than Samsung.
 
PJW is not a fan of the company:

"F**k Apple" (he advertises knives from ~ 3:30 to 4:41)

tl;dw: Apple is said to be "woke" and authoritarian now.

And in any case, Apple does not seem to be the same as they were in the '00s and earlier.

the idea of the Iphone was thought up at apple
Someone else could've thought of the "smartphone" sooner or later, but without the "smartphone", "social media" would be used less.

But removing the headphone jack and SD card thing may definitely have not been a thing.
 
I use Apple but I can understand the criticism. They're pricey and they can be restrictive on many things. Fortunately I just use their stuff for basic things such as browsing, online purchases and listening to music. Last Imac I has lasted me ten years and then it became too old for modern updates.
 
In terms of the hear and now, one has to take the good with the bad, and with Apple, there's a lot of each.

There are some legitimate criticisms of Apple products:
  • Poorly documented, depends on whether the component is open or Apple-specific BS
  • While iPhones last longer than most Android devices, Macs last up to 3 years less than PCs
  • Repeatedly broken firewall, routing, VPN and network stack across macOS/iOS releases
  • macOS and iOS waste RAM hand over fist by lacking effective page combining strategies
  • Both iOS and macOS lack decent backwards compatibility, even compared with Linux
  • macOS still can't do proper multi-monitor where app windows can span across screens
  • Apple abuses their power to ban legitimately useful software from their App Store regularly:
    • No unconstrained peer-to-peer services (e.g. BitTorrent, Gnutella clients)
    • GPLv3/AGPL software not permitted in their App Store for no good reason
    • Blocks legal third party YouTube Premium replacements without cause
    • Buggery with forcing in-app purchases even if dev doesn't want them
But these downsides need to be offset against the benefits:
  • macOS/iOS implements useful and decent Mandatory Access Controls out of the box
    • Running malware as your user account doesn't mean your documents get stolen
    • Security vulnerabilities in software cannot be as readily abused to take over your device
    • Controls are stackable, SIP, plus TCC, plus App Sandbox all use the same technology
    • No need for weird virtualisation or container layers like on Windows and Linux
  • macOS GUI applications are properly isolated from one another, unlike on many other platforms
  • Secure Element with M1/M2 SoC prevents cold boot attacks from succeeding even on desktops
  • Advanced Data Protection means almost everything is zero knowledge encrypted in iCloud
  • Parts serialisation which negatively impacts repairs are actually very good for security:
    • No way to brute force FileVault encryption on Apple Silicon even if SSD removed
    • Thieves can't sell stolen iPhones for use as spare parts (best possible theft protection)
    • Provides decent hardware key logging mitigations and basic physical tamper proofing
  • Minimal amount of phoning home compared with most proprietary operating systems
  • Integrated technical support experience, where hardware vendor also supports the OS

In the future, regarding Apple: The EU is forcing Apple to allow sideloading in 2024 and it's likely they will also be legislating on device repairability and software support lifecycles in a few years time too. The UK (before it left the EU) wanted all electronics companies to commit to a minimum of 10 years parts availability and to mandate that companies publish fixed software support lifecycles in relation to the specific product being sold, while others have been asking for software companies to be held liable for unresolved security issues. This would all pretty much force Apple and Google's offerings to be completely on a par with one another.

Regarding the competition in the near future: Google is allegedly offering a 7 year lifecycle on the Google Pixel 8 with annual OS upgrades.. If this turns out to be true and also applies to the Pixel 8a when it releases, that would resolve the economic issues associated with Android phones (both Apple and Google offering equivalent to £65/year offerings). This would compliment the recent addition of 10 years of full OS upgrades on Chromebooks, which now support running native Linux and Android apps putting them on a par with macOS levels of application availability for a cheaper price.
 
Apples and oranges, no pun intended. Making a game on a console/PC is different from making a game on a phone. Apple's OS is prioritary. Maximize compatibility by knowing their own specs while keeping their profits and minimizing app certification.
Doesn't seem like apples and oranges to me, Apple Arcade & Game Pass are both video game subscription services.

Yeah, I'm sure Apple thinks they can lure in gamers to their ecosystem by keeping the service exclusive to their devices (which is not as much of a priority for Microsoft), but unlike Nintendo for example, their focus isn't games so that's not going to bring many new customers in. It makes sense for Nintendo Switch Online's offerings to only work on Nintendo Switch, but I think it's just annoying and dumb in Apple Arcade's case and they should copy Microsoft.
 
Every lightning cable I ever had would eventually stop working correctly, I have never had this issue with Micro USB or USB-C. I had an iPhone 5 later a 6s and went through 4 batteries between them, some would get to the point where they stopped holding any charge for more than 5 minutes and some would start bulging. I have been using the same cheap £100 Chinese brand android phone ever since I got it a year and a half ago, my habits haven't changed at all, I still charge my phone overnight and yet I have had none of these issues that I had with Apple. My only complaint is the camera quality is rather poor.

TL;DR Apple hate is entirely justified, their only advantage against similarly priced Android OS brands is that iOS is more user friendly for the less technologically-literate.
 
Every lightning cable I ever had would eventually stop working correctly, I have never had this issue with Micro USB or USB-C.
I haven't had this although I mainly use Chinese knockoffs. Apple cables are terrible.
 
Everytime I have had to help my elderly parents with their Apple products my hatred for their shitty tech is rekindled. For something that's so supposedly easy and user-experience oriented its usually 10 times harder to do anything I'd like to do compared to non-Apple products. Cope harder about how its actually good. Its nigger-cattle tech and always will be.
Anytime I've tried to use apple I get frustrated because I try to do something or change something and it won't let me. Then I google for ages trying to figure out a work around and it ends up being to convoluted to be worth it.
This has been my experience to a T. If you want to do anything that isn't set up for you to do within the gay little apps they make you use to do everything you are SOL.
 
I have had the realization that most criticism of Apple is petty, and only because they are popular while most critics point to how they do not allow repair, even though Samsung does the same.

have you considered that it's possible to hate both? Apple is a garbage company banks entirely on its brand's illusion of quality and treats its customers like children. it's one of the most uniformly repulsive presences in consumer technology and the fact that all the alternatives in the smartphone market are comparatively repulsive does not make them any less awful. saying Apple is Good, Actually is pure cope and no less edgy than being a Samsung fanboy. consumer technology is almost universally shit and smartphones suck ass.
 
Here are my pros/cons for Apple

Pros:
  1. Multi-device ecosystem is hands-down the best. My Windows Desktop + Windows Laptop + Android Phone + Android Tablet world is decidedly jankier than my wife's iPhone + iPad + iMac + MB Pro world.
  2. They deliver build quality & battery life of laptops that few, if any, companies hold a candle to.
  3. Best CPUs in the industry right now.
Cons:
  1. Terrible for gaming
  2. Not good for development, especially multiplatform - Windows has suddenly come from behind to replace Linux as my preferred dev environment
  3. Just not really "into" anything that's outside their walled garden; no need to spill more text here than other have
  4. See above post on mysterious issues that happen on updates
  5. IME much less reliable at data migration and OS updates that Windows is. I've often had migrations to new Apple machines fuck up and have to be restarted; I haven't had an issue with installing and updating Windows since the XP days.

Macs last up to 3 years less than PCs

I've never had a PC laptop outlast an Apple laptop. Ever. And I've had quite a few laptops.

Secure Element with M1/M2 SoC prevents cold boot attacks from succeeding even on desktops

That TPM module that everyone's sobbing about in the Windows 11 thread does the exact same thing in Intel & AMD CPUs.

Advanced Data Protection means almost everything is zero knowledge encrypted in iCloud

Same with OneDrive's Personal Vault.

No need for weird virtualisation or container layers like on Windows and Linux

I don't know how Apple handles running a Linux or Windows VM without a "weird virtualisation or container layer," but does the end user even care?
 
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I've never had a PC laptop outlast an Apple laptop. Ever. And I've had quite a few laptops.
Apple laptops do last forever, but their software support dries up waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the actual machine itself dies, leaving you with an aging glorified web browser and a lot of software that can't be updated and newer software that won't run just because Apple says so.

They also have heating problems, as I had to get a whole logic board replacement just a couple of years into mine. So then I was afraid of running anything intensive on the damn thing from that point forward. And that was the last Macbook I'd ever buy.
 
I've spent a bit of time with Apple devices and Android and I've gotta say to me it's just about whether or not you plan on using it as a calling/YouTube machine or a pocket computer. Apple is simple and good out of the box if you're a normie, if you have any basic PC knowledge it feels infuriatingly simple.
Apple laptops do last forever, but their software support dries up waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the actual machine itself dies, leaving you with an aging glorified web browser and a lot of software that can't be updated and newer software that won't run just because Apple says so.
Absolutely true, still have mine from 2010. Runs like shit.
 
Apple laptops do last forever, but their software support dries up waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the actual machine itself dies, leaving you with an aging glorified web browser and a lot of software that can't be updated and newer software that won't run just because Apple says so.
I've found lightweight Linux distros work really well on old Apple laptops and Apples in general, but they've recently gone all out trying to break that as much as possible. That's why I'd never buy one (and have actually only bought one for money before and gotten the others in barter).
 
Same with OneDrive's Personal Vault.

Personal Vault is not zero knowledge encrypted. The keys are held by Microsoft and released to your PC for it to unlock the additional BitLocker container when you authenticate to your personal account via MFA. Microsoft can have their way with data stored there as they please and if anyone compromises Microsoft's authentication servers (which has happened multiple times now) it's game over. Everything stored there is still subject to the same server-side scanning too, including processes which assume you're a potential criminal.

If you want equivalent security to what Advanced Data Protection offers, you'll need to use an additional layer to transparently encrypt everything on the client side beforehand, like Cryptomator.


That TPM module that everyone's sobbing about in the Windows 11 thread does the exact same thing in Intel & AMD CPUs.

The TPM does perform a similar initial unlock role, but leaves systems exposed to cold boot attacks. Once BitLocker (Windows) and/or LUKS (Linux) has unlocked access to a volume, the decryption keys reside in RAM in the clear, where they're extremely vulnerable against attacks involving physical access where the computer is switched on or if the keys were not securely cleared prior to shutdown/hibernation. It's also why BitLocker should always be set up with at least TPM+PIN, otherwise someone can boot a machine and use cold boot attacks to defeat it at their convenience. This is also why Chromebooks do not use the TPM for full disk encryption but only indirectly (and only where Google's own custom silicon isn't present) in conjunction with the end-user's password.

On Apple Silicon Macs, once the initial FileVault unlock process has completed, cryptographic processing continues to occur via dedicated hardware (namely the Secure Enclave Processor) to ensure that encryption keys are never available in the clear (in RAM) to someone attempting such attacks.


I don't know how Apple handles running a Linux or Windows VM without a "weird virtualisation or container layer," but does the end user even care?

Not talking about actual VMs but the necessity of these things on bare metal installs for no good reason.

Windows 11 virtualises the bare metal install by default in order to provide security features other platforms are able to provide without needing such a layer. VBS, HVCI, Device Guard and Credential Guard were originally only available on Windows 10 Enterprise and caused such a performance penalty on Intel 6th Generation (and older) processors that when Microsoft wanted to force these features to be enabled by default for Windows 11, they needlessly created large piles of e-waste by demanding 8th Generation or newer. End users tend to care when they have to throw perfectly good computers away without good reason to do so. Worst of all, some of the features this requirement supports (like Credential Guard) don't really benefit a home user PC on a workgroup at all. Even with compatible hardware, users actually cared that much about the negative performance impact of these features on self-built gaming PCs (even those with newer CPUs) that OEMs like HP and Alienware pushed Microsoft to allow this security layer to be explicitly disabled by default on their gaming line-ups.

Linux has multiple competing container-oriented package formats which are still inferior to native packages (Snap and Flatpak) that do not integrate well (e.g. broken themes) and require an entire distros worth of additional libraries/frameworks just to install basic components. End users care when basic software like their Mozilla Firefox doesn't work properly because Ubuntu mandated it become a Snap and all that plumbing makes just launching it a pain. Funniest of all is Microsoft copying this stupidity with their latest iteration of the MSIX package format, currently in preview on Windows 11 but expected to be the preferred way to deploy software in the next major Windows release, unless developers shame them into backtracking. If you've ever found Microsoft Store versions of apps to be shitty, well, sideloaded versions of these adapted from existing code using half-baked transition APIs are on the way,
 
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