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The strange thing is that a lot of mangaka take inspiration from western pop culture, more so than vice versa from my experience, you see shows like Cowboy Bebop and Baccano and you can tell that a lot of care was put into making them work. Most comics on the other hand rarely if ever seem to do this other than many minor shout outs.

Slightly related as well but how many times have you seen a western show make an anime parody that was considered really well done? I remember Gumball and Regular Show making pretty damn good ones but those are the only ones I can think of from recent memory.
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I have no idea since I don't really watch a lot of western cartoons, but some of them I've seen are just really bad with a lot just referencing Sailor Moon. I know Steven Universe references Utena with Pearl, but I don't think it's very good. A lot of the older anime parodies are just referencing Speed Racer since that was probably a lot of those older guys only reference. Maybe the original Teen Titans series along with the movie "Trouble in Tokyo" would be the only one off the top of my head that I didn't mind.

I do know that Star Trek: TNG (I think it's this one) references Dirty Pair a couple times, Dirty Pair references Star Trek several times in its own series.
 
How has the new season been for shows? I haven't kept up with anything because I've been busy, but I'm wondering if anyone has any recs for hidden gems. I'm going to just say straight out that I have no interest in Mushoku Tensei, read a chunk of the series and I couldn't stand Rudy, so while the series might receive high praise I'm not watching it.
If you liked Yuru Camp or Re:Zero, both of those are more of what you liked, and also good besides.

Jujutsu Kaisen is a well-done and beautifully drawn shonen action show.

Horimiya is a pretty good HS romance show.

I enjoy Taoteba Last Dungeon for slapstick anime trope humor.

I know you have no interest in MT, but it has to be said that it's really pretty.
 
The strange thing is that a lot of mangaka take inspiration from western pop culture, more so than vice versa from my experience, you see shows like Cowboy Bebop and Baccano and you can tell that a lot of care was put into making them work. Most comics on the other hand rarely if ever seem to do this other than many minor shout outs.

Slightly related as well but how many times have you seen a western show make an anime parody that was considered really well done? I remember Gumball and Regular Show making pretty damn good ones but those are the only ones I can think of from recent memory.
Nothing strange about it at all: anime has always been inextricably linked with American culture, so much so that it’s literally in the name.

It has its roots in the post-WWII US occupation where traditional nationalistic media was banned, along with the occupying soldiers introducing the Japanese to American culture. Disney was hugely influential, and the “anime art style” we know today started off as Japan’s unique take on the Disney animations of the era.

In a way it’s ironic that an art form derived from American culture supplanting stagnating Japanese media in post-war Japan has surpassed its master, and come back to exert cyclical influence on the stagnating American culture of today.

E: Down the Rabbit Hole has a very good 2 part video on the history of anime that gives a pretty good overview of the subject. Highly recommend you give it a watch, his videos are always well-researched and informative.
 
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one of the few series where imo the english dub is better than the original. dunno what's up with 90's dubs, maybe they put more effort in instead of thinking it's kiddie shit...

If you liked Yuru Camp or Re:Zero, both of those are more of what you liked, and also good besides.

quite popular tho, not really what I would call a hidden gem. this season has quite a few sequel seasons/spinoff, and haven't really seen anything yet (usually wait till the season is over), so couldn't say if there are any. the listings made it sound like the average fare. maybe spring 2021 will have more surprises.
 
It's so weird Marvel nowadays has largely stopped putting out cartoons of their popular works when they were big into it in the 80s/90s/00s with how much they put out.
There's Marvel anime from the early 2010s animated by Madhouse, but lol no one remembers them. (Although I liked the X-Men anime just fine, but I get why people aren't into it.)
 
How has the new season been for shows? I haven't kept up with anything because I've been busy, but I'm wondering if anyone has any recs for hidden gems.
Kai byoui ramune and Tenchi souzou design bu are two shows I'm enjoying this season that seem to be flying under the radar. I dunno if most would consider them hidden gems but I'd say they're at least worth a try.
 
Holy shit Cells At Work Code Black has one of the shittiest endings I've ever seen to an anime. Not only feeling arbitrary to raise the stakes again but also outright end the series on an implied shitty moral of if you are healthy don't donate blood since it will likely be given to unhealthy people.

Spider Isekai is weird in the timeline. It seems to be final that the series is taking 15 years before the events of the human side (due to the flashback, though holy shit the heroine killed people pretty mercilessly), though it doesn't make sense how the demon faction made contract with the heroine despite only forming recently in the human world... it also seems to be implied that there are 4 versions of the heroine on the human side, one for every mind - two spiders, of which one that is dead, one white haired and the demon lord. Wonder how it will be explained eventually.
I always find comparing manga to western comics more of a depressing task than anything because I feel there's a lot that they should take from manga but never do. Been reading comics as a change of pace from manga and it's made me realize that I was being far too judgemental of them based on my more childish "manga/anime is always way better" thoughts. Sure, there are a lot of dud series that I don't care for, but the same can be said for manga with the amount of garbage/average series put out. Both mediums you have to go digging for the stuff you like, though with comics it does seem to be having to look further back to find good stuff even if some of the newer stuff is enjoyable.
I'll seperate the problem of western comics into three parts:
1. Unoriginality - It is mainly capeshit and even then it's always established characters or some alternative versions of them. And with those characters there is no real interesting thing besides the occasional high concept villain since they are always flying bricks. Compare and contrast Jojo that has more outlandish shit in every chapter than comics have in their entire run. This in turn makes the events in the comics just boring, I've seen more interesting and fun fight scenes in Chainsaw Man than every action scene I've read over dozens of comics (despite being in black and white and jumping around).
2. Creator worship - While it sucks that some manga will never end since the creators will play Idol simulator all day, it sure beats the current status quo in western comics where the same few people constantly write the same comics in the same styles and will destroy the career of promising new competitors if they don't suck the cock.
3. Lack of nepotism - Writing manga is brutal and series that don't stick gets outed pretty quickly, but it at least gives talented people the chance to reach to the top through their abilities (yeah plenty will get to the top by jumping on trends but still). In western comics? You need to be a part of a social clique to get your leg through the door and that creates the situation that the few comics that aren't capeshit are featuring "Scifi black latinx lesbians fighting white supermacy". Rather than interesting ideas like a city surrounded by hordes of naked giant cannibals.

tl;dr Western comics are the definition of stagnation and lack of meritocracy.
 
Girls und Panzer Das Finale Part 3 is in theaters on the 26th and I have to wait until rips from the blu-rays go out 5 months later to be able to watch it with fansubs.
Knowing it's out there to be watched but having no way of doing so is pain. (:_(
 
it also seems to be implied that there are 4 versions of the heroine on the human side, one for every mind - two spiders, of which one that is dead, one white haired and the demon lord. Wonder how it will be explained eventually.
I'm just an anime only so I have no idea what really is going on but my first guess was that the human timeline is playing a game of "Which one of these is Kumoko" and that there's various hints that can turn out to be red herrings.
 
I'll seperate the problem of western comics into three parts:
1. Unoriginality - It is mainly capeshit and even then it's always established characters or some alternative versions of them. And with those characters there is no real interesting thing besides the occasional high concept villain since they are always flying bricks.
I feel like this is a major problem created more by restrictions put onto writers due to concerns about canon built up over decades that limits what kind of stories they can do. It's a double edged sword since it stops writers from making a story where a character acts nothing like they normally do and also a stifler of interesting story or character arcs. It ends up creating stagnate worlds with very little to do in them since they're only allowed to repeat the same things over and over. That said, I also blame fans for this stagnation because often they are the first to bitch about the status quo being changed and then when authors relent and go back to the norm those sames fans will then complain about how stale recent works are.

Every blue moon you'll have a work come along that does truly breathe some good old originality into a series that then becomes foundational works for later series. You then get the problem of those foundational works being written by someone who truly "gets" the characters they are writing and is able to have a nice blend of keeping the old roots of a character while mixing in some new stuff (or entirely do something new and ignore all the whining from the gallery) being replaced in the next run by some who clearly doesn't get the characters.

You'll also have bigger characters getting stuck in ruts of sort where writers don't really know what to do with them and they're too popular to mess with too much, think currently Wonder Woman is a good example of this.

With manga, isekai is the literal epitome of unoriginality since with most of them your eyes can glaze over during any info dump and you haven't missed anything since you've probably read that exact same set up thousands of times before. You again have those once in a blue moon isekai that are actually okay but still.
Compare and contrast Jojo that has more outlandish shit in every chapter than comics have in their entire run. This in turn makes the events in the comics just boring, I've seen more interesting and fun fight scenes in Chainsaw Man than every action scene I've read over dozens of comics (despite being in black and white and jumping around).
Personally I find Grant Morrison's work on a similar tier of what the fuck that runs through a lot of his works, it's a problem that a lot of comic authors play it a bit too safe. Do agree with Chainsaw Man point, I find a lot of comics sadly suffer from this weird stiffness during a lot of fights.
2. Creator worship - While it sucks that some manga will never end since the creators will play Idol simulator all day, it sure beats the current status quo in western comics where the same few people constantly write the same comics in the same styles and will destroy the career of promising new competitors if they don't suck the cock.
3. Lack of nepotism - Writing manga is brutal and series that don't stick gets outed pretty quickly, but it at least gives talented people the chance to reach to the top through their abilities (yeah plenty will get to the top by jumping on trends but still). In western comics? You need to be a part of a social clique to get your leg through the door and that creates the situation that the few comics that aren't capeshit are featuring "Scifi black latinx lesbians fighting white supermacy". Rather than interesting ideas like a city surrounded by hordes of naked giant cannibals.
Part of this I'd also say is publisher worry about giving new writers big series rather than slapping a big recognisable name that they can drum up press about. It's a bigger risk and a lot of western comics aren't known for being risk takers as hinted at in the previous point. That in turn creates big name writers with big heads that use their position to push out guys they don't like. Though some big names are actual poison like Bendis who's name being attached to something is a big red flag that it's probably garbage.

I'd also say the whole problem of people getting friends hired is just how the art industry functions due to it being fairly small. It's often the case that when a studio asks their staff about knowing anyone they could hire they'll typically vouch for their friends, this isn't a sin in my books and it's the norm. The bigger problem is studios not doing any quality testing on their end to see if said recommendation is actually up to snuff or going back to the previous point, big names forcing said person in.
tl;dr Western comics are the definition of stagnation and lack of meritocracy.
Would more slap that onto the big two getting stagnate in their major titles because I think the indie scene has its own problems (like getting barely any attention or being slapped underneath the graphic novel separation). The really good western comics I put on the same tier as any of the best manga. It's like criticising all manga for Shounen Jump titles or Shounen in general when there are a plethora of other titles that just don't get the same level of attention. Shounen titles are the most translated because they have the highest readership, but most of them I can't stand, so I do find sometimes that manga releases here are having that same feeling of stagnation when it's all Shounen/isekai getting released.



I have no idea why I'm defending comics so much, feels weird.
 
I'm just an anime only so I have no idea what really is going on but my first guess was that the human timeline is playing a game of "Which one of these is Kumoko" and that there's various hints that can turn out to be red herrings.
But it seems like the teleporting dude that met Kumoko was the future version of the insane prince and "D" was implied to be the demon lord. Not to mention the hero looked like the future version of his little brother. It's like there's some weird time loop going on.

I feel like this is a major problem created more by restrictions put onto writers due to concerns about canon built up over decades that limits what kind of stories they can do. It's a double edged sword since it stops writers from making a story where a character acts nothing like they normally do and also a stifler of interesting story or character arcs. It ends up creating stagnate worlds with very little to do in them since they're only allowed to repeat the same things over and over. That said, I also blame fans for this stagnation because often they are the first to bitch about the status quo being changed and then when authors relent and go back to the norm those sames fans will then complain about how stale recent works are.

Every blue moon you'll have a work come along that does truly breathe some good old originality into a series that then becomes foundational works for later series. You then get the problem of those foundational works being written by someone who truly "gets" the characters they are writing and is able to have a nice blend of keeping the old roots of a character while mixing in some new stuff (or entirely do something new and ignore all the whining from the gallery) being replaced in the next run by some who clearly doesn't get the characters.

You'll also have bigger characters getting stuck in ruts of sort where writers don't really know what to do with them and they're too popular to mess with too much, think currently Wonder Woman is a good example of this.

With manga, isekai is the literal epitome of unoriginality since with most of them your eyes can glaze over during any info dump and you haven't missed anything since you've probably read that exact same set up thousands of times before. You again have those once in a blue moon isekai that are actually okay but still.
The solution is to simply create new comics rather than try to jam the old characters into new status quo. I also don't think there was such a great shift in a character in the last decade. Even isekai you'll find far more range than capeshit. From straight takes, parody, slice of life, darker takes, full on hentai and straight insanity.

Part of this I'd also say is publisher worry about giving new writers big series rather than slapping a big recognisable name that they can drum up press about. It's a bigger risk and a lot of western comics aren't known for being risk takers as hinted at in the previous point. That in turn creates big name writers with big heads that use their position to push out guys they don't like. Though some big names are actual poison like Bendis who's name being attached to something is a big red flag that it's probably garbage.

I'd also say the whole problem of people getting friends hired is just how the art industry functions due to it being fairly small. It's often the case that when a studio asks their staff about knowing anyone they could hire they'll typically vouch for their friends, this isn't a sin in my books and it's the norm. The bigger problem is studios not doing any quality testing on their end to see if said recommendation is actually up to snuff or going back to the previous point, big names forcing said person in.
In the end never taking any risks means that you'll be defeated by competitors (at least if it wasn't a monopoly). Especially since unlike video games and tv shows there shouldn't be such a big investment. Also from what I heard there are a lot of promising artists that are stuck drawing porn because they are in the wrongthink camp, "friend bring friends" is a terrible hiring practice.
Would more slap that onto the big two getting stagnate in their major titles because I think the indie scene has its own problems (like getting barely any attention or being slapped underneath the graphic novel separation). The really good western comics I put on the same tier as any of the best manga. It's like criticising all manga for Shounen Jump titles or Shounen in general when there are a plethora of other titles that just don't get the same level of attention. Shounen titles are the most translated because they have the highest readership, but most of them I can't stand, so I do find sometimes that manga releases here are having that same feeling of stagnation when it's all Shounen/isekai getting released.
But in the end the fact we don't hear about indie comics or non capeshit titles speak a lot of how the western comic market is dead. Someone might be drawing the best work known to mankind, but if that work is ignored in favour of gay Captain America then the industry is digging its own grave.
 
Also, the one thing I’m just completely shocked that Marvel hasn’t copied is the entire anime business model where the anime is literally just an advertisement for the manga. You have literally the biggest pop culture franchise of the 2010’s that turned no-name heroes like Iron Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy into household names, and you DON’T fucking publish spin-offs and tie-ins and adaptations featuring the movie characters? How fucking braindead do you have to be to not capitalize on that?
I think they tried that for awhile ago but the problem they ran into where the comic book fans weren't interested in them because they where about the movie versions of the characters not the comic book versions and movie fans weren't interested because they thought it was a cheap cash grab tie in (iirc the comics just filled in some rehashed backstories and info no one cared about).
Another problem with Marvel trying to copy the anime model is unlike most anime adaptations that follow the source beat for beat meaning you don't have to relearn any characters, plot, points, etc. (with a few exceptions) hardly any none of their movie or tv shows do so for their comics (which results in the above mentioned movie version comics).
I think the only way the anime model can be applied to comics is 1; either adapting standalone series or a relatively new series that aren't bog downed by years of backlogs, retcons, tie-ins etc. and 2: staying at least 70% faithful to the story. I know Invincible and Bone are getting animated series and if they stay faithful to there sources they might generate interest in the comics, but both comics ended years ago, Invincible is locked behind amazon prime, and I've been disappointed by netflix animations before so I am eyeing the Bone series with a lot of hesitation.
 
I thought the Promised Neverland couldn't get any stupider. I was wrong.

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The entire human eating demon population population spontaneously decides to go vegan, gets the military on their side, and a bunch of children in the woods manage to create a FLEET of hot air balloons and defeat demons twice the size and five times as strong as an adult human by hitting them in the head with pipes. These are 8-13 year olds. Oh and their response to the guy in charge of feeding them and all their ancestors to demons, and maintaining the system that requires said demons to eat humans?

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Somehow even dumber than the source material version. And of course the whole thing was animated as a slideshow. I burst out laughing when Sonju kicked a door in with a single frame. Apparently they did this so they could focus on their anime original series about genderfluid teenagers or some shit, but that flopped anyways. Oh and you know how the original writer "oversaw" season 2's production? Turns out the writer was only invited on after the script was already completely finished.

There's only one more episode. I can't wait to see how they fuck this series next. It's so much fun for all the wrong reasons.
 
Apparently they did this so they could focus on their anime original series about genderfluid teenagers or some shit
Funny thing about that, the series you're probably talking about is Wonder Egg Priority. they feature a ftm in an episode, the character commits suicide after being raped pregnant, and is a place where in canon only women can show up in.
 
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