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What dumb things CAN'T Justin Sevakis say? And the whole thread is filled with people simping for FN and CR.

An anime fan saying "Funimation and Crunchyroll don't do nearly enough to support anime" is like saying, "those scientists didn't do nearly enough to ensure this MMR vaccine is safe." Everybody who has seen data/understand how things work is just rolling your eyes at you
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vern said:
Started rereading Historie again and even though I have noticed a few new historical inaccuracies, I sill consider it one of my favorite manga series.
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For those who don't know about the series, its a loose historical manga about the life of Eumenes of Cardia, secretary and general of Alexander the Great. Its a good series although there are two things to note.
1. depending on how big of a historyfag you are, you'll probably drop it over how they portray Hephaestion.
2. Assuming you don't drop it, prepare for a long wait. The series has been running for longer then Alexander's reign as king (series started in 2003) and combine that with hiatuses that rival Berserk and HxH, its just now getting to the death of Phillip II.
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One of my favorite historical manga that I wish updated more often. I'm a big sucker for historical manga but they often aren't the most popular for translation groups to pick up besides a few dedicated groups. I wish more of the numerous isekai works coming out were just an authors way of discussing medieval Europe and other historical periods while also following the popular trends that allow their works to remain published. So many just use historical settings entirely based on the stereotypes that are often propagated about them and with little research as to there accuracy.

I will forever adore Mori Kaoru for her Emma manga and the level of work that was put into trying to get it as accurate to the Victorian era as possible. It's also a lovely yet simple love story and serves as a wonderful way to see the evolution of her art into the complex masterworks she's known for in her current work Otoyomegatari (Also a lovely historical manga).
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Moguro Fukuzou said:
One of my favorite historical manga that I wish updated more often. I'm a big sucker for historical manga but they often aren't the most popular for translation groups to pick up besides a few dedicated groups. I wish more of the numerous isekai works coming out were just an authors way of discussing medieval Europe and other historical periods while also following the popular trends that allow their works to remain published. So many just use historical settings entirely based on the stereotypes that are often propagated about them and with little research as to there accuracy.

I will forever adore Mori Kaoru for her Emma manga and the level of work that was put into trying to get it as accurate to the Victorian era as possible. It's also a lovely yet simple love story and serves as a wonderful way to see the evolution of her art into the complex masterworks she's known for in her current work Otoyomegatari (Also a lovely historical manga).
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Just finished reading Emma and Shirley the other day, they were both fantastic and you could really feel the author's fondness for maids.
 
I’ve been looking a lot at Tezuka Osamu’s works lately. It’s fascinating how versatile he is. Tezuka’s work is very vast.

I mean he wrote a story about a bear who tries to roar like a train and is friends with a fucking train.
 
Cedric_Eff said:
I’ve been looking a lot at Tezuka Osamu’s works lately. It’s fascinating how versatile he is. Tezuka’s work is very vast.

I mean he wrote a story about a bear who tries to roar like a train and is friends with a fucking train.
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There’s an ongoing theory that Disney loved his work so much, they borrowed the Kimba The White Lion story to make The Lion King.
 
Atatata said:
Just finished reading Emma and Shirley the other day, they were both fantastic and you could really feel the author's fondness for maids.
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The author definitely has a fetish for maids.
albertbrown26 said:
There’s an ongoing theory that Disney loved his work so much, they borrowed the Kimba The White Lion story to make The Lion King.
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I know that he's considered a lolcow, but YMS put out an over two hour long video talking about the Kimba/Lion King controversy after months of going down the rabbit hole trying to research it, originally to just have a small section in his larger Lion King (2019) review.
 
There was a short period in my life where I actually considered getting a crunchyroll subscription to ~support the industry~, but I soon realised that I was getting region locked out of things I actually wanted to watch and it was way more convenient to just torrent a batch of whatever the hell I wanted with no hassle attached to it. Also there's the part where all things considered the sub fee is low enough that you start to question how much it even matters for supporting the creators. And then there was that moment where we all found out crunchy was throwing money at western SJW shit like High guardian spice. For the most part I stopped pirating videogames cause digital storefronts make it easier than ever to buy stuff with no hassle, but with anime I'm just going to keep pirating as long as I can.

Part of me does consider getting a subscription to Futekiya cause homo shit is more niche so there's probably enough content there I actually like for it to be worth it, but at the same time I've already been importing japanese volumes of manga I read scanlations of that I really liked so I may as well keep doing that. It'd only be an issue if Futekiya starts throwing their weight around to get rid of scanlators who do homo shit.
 
Fougaro said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AFnF2E6nJDw
I recently finished watching Inuyashiki and I highly recommend you do the same. I can't think of any anime that hit me so much in the feels since Devilman Crybaby. That final episode man...

I understand that the CG can make things a bit awkward, but it's a sad fact of life in modern anime we have to deal with. But in a similar vein to Dorohedoro it compensates the CG by being really good.
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Inuyashiki was one of the first shows I watched when I began to keep up with seasonal anime (that and Magus Bride), and I'll echo your recommendation. A great little one-cour series with a little of everything: action, humor, drama, and suspense.

Plus it's noteworthy for giving us one of our first anime Trumps, if not the first:
Moguro Fukuzou said:
I know that he's considered a lolcow, but YMS put out an over two hour long video talking about the Kimba/Lion King controversy after months of going down the rabbit hole trying to research it, originally to just have a small section in his larger Lion King (2019) review.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=G5B1mIfQuo4
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I'd definitely recommend anyone who believes in the whole "Disney ripped off Kimba" thing giving the video a watch, or at least skimming through it. Adam was extremely thorough in debunking the myths surrounding Kimba and The Lion King. Like you said, originally this was just going to be a small section in his review of The Lion King (2019), but once he started digging through it all (including watching all Kimba-related movies and anime series), he realized that there was a lot more to delve into. As someone who repeated those claims for years based off of imagery taken out of context, it opened my eyes. There's plenty to hate about Disney without repeating baseless accusations.

If you don't want to watch the whole thing, here's a couple quick bullet points:
  • A lot of the "DISNEY RIPPED OFF KIMBA" videos use footage from a Kimba movie created in 1997 that was basically created to ape off of the success of The Lion King. It's safe to say that if there was any ripping off in those instances, it was the Japanese studio doing it.
  • Even in the original manga/anime series, most of the things that look similar can be marked up as coincidental since they have completely different contexts. Just because a warthog shows up in a single episode doesn't mean Disney stole the idea of animated warthogs to create Pumbaa. If you set a fictional work in Africa, chances are you're going to have certain visuals show up.
  • Kimba isn't even the name of the character in Japanese. The Kimba name was created by people at NBC for American audiences. Originally they were going to name him "Simba" because it means "lion" in Swahili, but they decided to change it to make it easier to copyright (then Disney went and did it anyway).
  • While it's possible, even probable, that people at Disney were aware of Kimba when creating The Lion King, they didn't really draw from it as inspiration. About the only similarities between the two are being set in Africa with a lion main character. Nothing in The Lion King's overall plot can be found in the Kimba manga or anime. If The Lion King had cub Simba running around wearing Mufasa's skin and using it to trick enemies into thinking he was actually Mufasa, that would be a different story.
  • Most of the people who accuse Disney of ripping off Kimba have never actually done any research into the matter, or watched anything Kimba-related, for that matter. He shows this multiple times throughout the video, including a "scholar" who used shots from the 1997 movie as proof that Disney stole Tezuka's work.
  • A funny aside at the end comes up when Adam talks about a 1940s comic book that was brought to his attention called Simba: King of Beasts. He points out how dumb it is to make the argument that similar visuals means malicious intent by creating a mock comparison between this comic and Kimba, "claiming" that Kimba actually ripped off Simba. In reality, culture gets recycled all the time, similar visuals pop up occasionally, and you should always do more than a surface-level analysis before accusing a creator of stealing another's work.
I still say it's worth a watch if you want to see the full breakdown. I imagine there will still be people pushing the Kimbaspiracy in the years to come, but no one has done as much work to debunk it as Adam. And while he does poke fun at the anime a lot (especially the dub), he also gives it a fair amount of praise to boot, certainly way more than he's gonna give The Lion King (2019).

Be warned: if you watch the video, that damn wah wah song is gonna get stuck in your head.
 
Moguro Fukuzou said:
I know that he's considered a lolcow, but YMS put out an over two hour long video talking about the Kimba/Lion King controversy after months of going down the rabbit hole trying to research it, originally to just have a small section in his larger Lion King (2019) review.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=G5B1mIfQuo4
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And remember that he made this review out of spite towards the misinformation that's being constantly spread about Kimba. He doesn't really like the series all that much, but he wanted to defend it because it bothered him that much.

Much respect, it was a great watch.
 
King Dead said:
Inuyashiki was one of the first shows I watched when I began to keep up with seasonal anime (that and Magus Bride), and I'll echo your recommendation. A great little one-cour series with a little of everything: action, humor, drama, and suspense.

Plus it's noteworthy for giving us one of our first anime Trumps, if not the first:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UE_DWgjZFMw
I'd definitely recommend anyone who believes in the whole "Disney ripped off Kimba" thing giving the video a watch, or at least skimming through it. Adam was extremely thorough in debunking the myths surrounding Kimba and The Lion King. Like you said, originally this was just going to be a small section in his review of The Lion King (2019), but once he started digging through it all (including watching all Kimba-related movies and anime series), he realized that there was a lot more to delve into. As someone who repeated those claims for years based off of imagery taken out of context, it opened my eyes. There's plenty to hate about Disney without repeating baseless accusations.

If you don't want to watch the whole thing, here's a couple quick bullet points:
  • A lot of the "DISNEY RIPPED OFF KIMBA" videos use footage from a Kimba movie created in 1997 that was basically created to ape off of the success of The Lion King. It's safe to say that if there was any ripping off in those instances, it was the Japanese studio doing it.
  • Even in the original manga/anime series, most of the things that look similar can be marked up as coincidental since they have completely different contexts. Just because a warthog shows up in a single episode doesn't mean Disney stole the idea of animated warthogs to create Pumbaa. If you set a fictional work in Africa, chances are you're going to have certain visuals show up.
  • Kimba isn't even the name of the character in Japanese. The Kimba name was created by people at NBC for American audiences. Originally they were going to name him "Simba" because it means "lion" in Swahili, but they decided to change it to make it easier to copyright (then Disney went and did it anyway).
  • While it's possible, even probable, that people at Disney were aware of Kimba when creating The Lion King, they didn't really draw from it as inspiration. About the only similarities between the two are being set in Africa with a lion main character. Nothing in The Lion King's overall plot can be found in the Kimba manga or anime. If The Lion King had cub Simba running around wearing Mufasa's skin and using it to trick enemies into thinking he was actually Mufasa, that would be a different story.
  • Most of the people who accuse Disney of ripping off Kimba have never actually done any research into the matter, or watched anything Kimba-related, for that matter. He shows this multiple times throughout the video, including a "scholar" who used shots from the 1997 movie as proof that Disney stole Tezuka's work.
  • A funny aside at the end comes up when Adam talks about a 1940s comic book that was brought to his attention called Simba: King of Beasts. He points out how dumb it is to make the argument that similar visuals means malicious intent by creating a mock comparison between this comic and Kimba, "claiming" that Kimba actually ripped off Simba. In reality, culture gets recycled all the time, similar visuals pop up occasionally, and you should always do more than a surface-level analysis before accusing a creator of stealing another's work.
I still say it's worth a watch if you want to see the full breakdown. I imagine there will still be people pushing the Kimbaspiracy in the years to come, but no one has done as much work to debunk it as Adam. And while he does poke fun at the anime a lot (especially the dub), he also gives it a fair amount of praise to boot, certainly way more than he's gonna give The Lion King (2019).

Be warned: if you watch the video, that damn wah wah song is gonna get stuck in your head.
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I mean, the dub does sound god awful.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
And remember that he made this review out of spite towards the misinformation that's being constantly spread about Kimba. He doesn't really like the series all that much, but he wanted to defend it because it bothered him that much.

Much respect, it was a great watch.
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At one point Disney denied that anyone at the studio had ever seen Kimba, which turned out to be blatantly untrue...

My idea of what went on, however, is that it was unintentional borrowing. They weren't intending to copy the work, but there are certain similarities.

Moguro Fukuzou said:
I mean, the dub does sound god awful.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NAldih45YJY
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This was done in Miami in the 80s, I think.
 
I'm shamelessly shilling for Ping Pong: The Animation being the best anime ever, and the dub is fantastic. I want to hear @Secret Asshole's analysis (even though he probably hates me after I convinced him to watch Mars of Destruction).
 
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