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Conan or Pokemon? I'm way behind on Conan. Last one I remember was based Murder on the Orient Express. The project itself was C&D'ed but they had the majority subbed and organised. I just remembered the majority were on megaupload.
And Ash was retired out of pokemon I believe.
Conan. Though I wonder if that wackass continuation with a non-Satoshi is going on.
 
One Piece is shit and has always been shit it's the very embodiment of sunk cost fallacy where it's been bland horseshit for the past three years but hey maybe we'll get a run that's actually good for three months so we can shit up message boards about how great One Piece is and then retreat back underground for the next long while before another actually good arc happens where we can do this all again. Plus One Piece is fucking ugly both to look at and in motion.
This is such a sour grapes argument, a refuge in opinion because you don’t need to justify any part beyond “well I don’t like it.” You bounced off the series because it’s art and writing aren’t generic shonen slop, and you are compelled to justify this (bad) opinion by contriving a Stockholm Syndrome scenario around its audience in clear defiance of reality wherein the series has continuously gained new readers its entire run.

Naruto and Bleach crashed and burned because their respective narrative set ups were 1) not well served by their payoffs (the former betraying the core concept of the series and the latter just not having a narrative at all) and 2) eventually failed to maintain smaller narrative arcs to keep interest going.
 
Naruto and Bleach crashed and burned because their respective narrative set ups were 1) not well served by their payoffs (the former betraying the core concept of the series and the latter just not having a narrative at all) and 2) eventually failed to maintain smaller narrative arcs to keep interest going.
And One Piece never got off the ground because it's bland and meanders all over the goddamned place doing nothing for 80% of its runtime with characters that I couldn't give a shit about if I tried.

You can use big words to try to discredit me all you want but it doesn't change the fact that One Piece isn't good just like Naruto and Bleach aren't good.
 
I'll throw my hat in the ring for the hell of it. Naruto was a cool concept that got squandered in the latter half of the series. Bleach was always a visually cool series throughout, but lacked substance after Soul Society storywise. I'll say that I was never big fans of either, but I liked aspects of them both a lot when I was a kid.

My most controversial opinion is about One Piece. Speaking as someone who adored the series and dropped it recently, One Piece really hasn't been that good since after Enies Lobby ended. After Enies Lobby, (if my memory can be trusted) every single character other than Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro seems to fall to the wayside. It gets worse post timeskip, as it falls into the familiar shonen trappings of powerlevels and new abilities. I'd argue the inclusion of haki ruined the uniqueness of One Piece's setting, since instead of cool and unique powers, we get this sort of cookie cutter rock-paper-scissors style secondary power system that kind of ruins the fun. Also, I know that One Piece has always had flash backs, but they seem to be dialed up to eleven as of the last few arcs. I don't care what this dead character did, can we please drop the ten chapter long back stories and skip back to the present to move the current story forwards?

I loved the art, I loved the light hearted world and setting, and I loved the characters, but to me, One Piece has dropped the ball harder than either Bleach or Naruto has. I have no intentions of finishing it.
 
My most controversial opinion is about One Piece. Speaking as someone who adored the series and dropped it recently, One Piece really hasn't been that good since after Enies Lobby ended. After Enies Lobby, (if my memory can be trusted) every single character other than Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro seems to fall to the wayside. It gets worse post timeskip, as it falls into the familiar shonen trappings of powerlevels and new abilities. I'd argue the inclusion of haki ruined the uniqueness of One Piece's setting, since instead of cool and unique powers, we get this sort of cookie cutter rock-paper-scissors style secondary power system that kind of ruins the fun. Also, I know that One Piece has always had flash backs, but they seem to be dialed up to eleven as of the last few arcs. I don't care what this dead character did, can we please drop the ten chapter long back stories and skip back to the present to move the current story forwards?
This is how I know you're a real fan. There was a massive split after the time skip when haki became the rage and Sanji was dying from a fucking nosebleed. Marine Ford was good, yeah, but a lot of it felt far more unrelated to the actual story than the subsequent princess-saving. One Piece feels like an entirely different manga for a bit as Luffy becomes the sole focus. It's main purpose is just to lead into the timeskip, which drags down an otherwise great arc.

The Strawhats became a caricature of themselves for a bit, and that was just long enough for me to lose interest almost entirely with the aforementioned issues.
 
And One Piece never got off the ground because it's bland and meanders all over the goddamned place doing nothing for 80% of its runtime with characters that I couldn't give a shit about if I tried.
Literally has a driven narrative from "go." The "big words" (not that big, not expressing complex ideas) are there to actually express an argument, as opposed to you who follows the 4chan line of thought of "if I type enough bullshit he'll eventually relent." It's fine to not like something, but to use not liking it in and of itself as the core to put down others liking it is a literal juvenile response.

I would go so far as to categorize Bleach and Naruto as "fine." It really is inoffensive if someone is reading it, and I wouldn't get riled up over someone else telling me he likes them.

I'd argue the inclusion of haki ruined the uniqueness of One Piece's setting
I'll concede that haki consolidated what was a way to introduce varied and fun character conflicts down to "just punch harder." I think Oda felt he was writing himself into a corner because he couldn't keep contriving Logia DF matchups that Luffy could just overcome like Crocodile's or Enel's.

The Strawhats became a caricature of themselves for a bit, and that was just long enough for me to lose interest almost entirely with the aforementioned issues.
The primary problem with the timeskip was Oda basically used it as a jumping-in point for new readers, which meant he had to really exaggerate older characters in order to get the point across, since the new readers wouldn't have had the fourteen years of rapport that longtime readers did. This was also after having the series only have Luffy for two years prior. As a marketing move it was brilliant, but as a narrative one it was definitely a step back. The secondary problem was most people running into this issue were reading weekly at the time, with artificially dragged out this step back; reading the series as a continuous narrative really irons out this issue, which is something I hold Oda has more of a focus on than optimizing the story as a serialized affair.
 
and then letting you drop it after the Soul Society arc so that you don't have to watch the shitty parts of the show.
I'll maintain that the Hueco Mundo arc and the stuff leading up to it is actually still good and it really only gets a bad rap because the Soul Society arc is genuinely peak shonen and is some of the best that's ever been. It's not as good, so it feels worse in comparison. Now, once you get to Fake Karakura and all the real Aizen stuff and his keikaku it's definitely a sharper downward trend.
I actually find the fullbring arc pretty fun.
 
I'll maintain that the Hueco Mundo arc and the stuff leading up to it is actually still good and it really only gets a bad rap because the Soul Society arc is genuinely peak shonen and is some of the best that's ever been. It's not as good, so it feels worse in comparison. Now, once you get to Fake Karakura and all the real Aizen stuff and his keikaku it's definitely a sharper downward trend.
I'll agree with that it's just that for me even with some of the later arcs being good the Soul Society arc is too good for how early it is in the series. The other series are post shark jump for me.
 
Considering George Morikawa's health issues (there hasn't been a new chapter of Hajime No Ippo in 2 months, and the pace he's been taking Ippo's retirement arc, I don't think we're going to get the "comeback arc". I wish Morikawa would speed things up a bit, lol.
 
When it comes to anime that use CGI, why does it look so janky and it feels like the animations drop to single-digit FPS? Is it because some Japanese studios are still incapable of making CGI that looks good, or is it an inherit nature of CGI itself?
 
When it comes to anime that use CGI, why does it look so janky and it feels like the animations drop to single-digit FPS? Is it because some Japanese studios are still incapable of making CGI that looks good, or is it an inherit nature of CGI itself?
Good looking CGI requires a larger budget, a larger team, more time, or some combination of the three that anime studios just can't readily do with their shoestring budget and crunched production schedules.
 
This is how I know you're a real fan. There was a massive split after the time skip when haki became the rage and Sanji was dying from a fucking nosebleed. Marine Ford was good, yeah, but a lot of it felt far more unrelated to the actual story than the subsequent princess-saving. One Piece feels like an entirely different manga for a bit as Luffy becomes the sole focus. It's main purpose is just to lead into the timeskip, which drags down an otherwise great arc.

The Strawhats became a caricature of themselves for a bit, and that was just long enough for me to lose interest almost entirely with the aforementioned issues.
I don't know how anyone can "into it" with literally thousands of episodes to trudge through. That prospect is physically painful to me.

Bleach: 400+ episodes (including Blood War).
Naruto: 700+ episodes (including Shippuden).
One Piece: Steadily approaching 1,200 Episodes.

Nigger that is OVER all of Bleach, and all of Naruto COMBINED. And that isn't even counting all the various movies and OVA material which probably equates to another 30+ episodes in runtime. Bros, I only have one life to live... Jesus. I remember DBZ getting so much shit as a kid for being too long, having lots of filler fights etc. But all of DBZ is < 300 episodes. Even if we combined Dragon Ball, that is still about as much as Bleach will be once Blood War is concluded. Fucking bonkers. All of these go up with their movies, but you get the idea.

Out of all the old guard I've easily watched DBZ the most, followed by Naruto. I almost completely fell off with Shippuden (probably for the best) because I was in the military and didn't have time for anything. And while I've always been tangentially "around" Bleach and One Piece since I was a kid, I've never watched them seriously as a fan. Bleach had the coolest art style, shit was big as this show that "the teenagers watched", but the filler and general episode structure always kept it at arms length. I didn't watch it from the start so none of the characters resonated with me. One Piece on the other hand was and is hugely love/hate with me. One Piece has some of the coolest character designs, and it also has some of the worst. One Piece has some really cool ideas, but it's often just a pizza with everything on it, regardless of it being good or not. One Piece also shits on all the other above mentioned shows when it comes to the amount of filler. I tried watching the Jerma arc for example, but I just couldn't do it. Half the thing is filler, and half the content in every episode was filler. One Piece desperately needs the Kai treatment.
 
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One Piece also shits on all the other above mentioned shows when it comes to the amount of filler.
One Piece would benefit from a Kai more then then the others yeah but that's because Bleach and Naruto just invented whole arcs but OP has been really good about not doing that at the expense of the first 5 minutes being the last 5 minutes of the previous episode a lot of the time. Though Onepace exists for that very reason.

But.. I'd suggest just approaching the anime like I do, and just being a manga andy that watches the anime to see things that seem like they're worth watching animated like the Luffy + Kaido fight.
 
Bleach: 400+ episodes (including Blood War).
Naruto: 700+ episodes (including Shippuden).
There's actually even less episodes for these two if you're cutting out filler, which you should. Bleach has around 150 episodes of filler if I'm remembering correctly, and Naruto has like fucking 400. One Piece is really hard to get into if you're going anime exclusive. There's One Pace, which attempts to condense it down but there's still an absolute fuckload of episodes. Even with all that, One Piece is still the most sold comic of all time and doesn't seem to be having any problems attracting new readers so it's really an anime exclusive issue. It's being reanimated in any case, so will most likely be a version exclusively covering the manga without all of the fluff that in progress manga adapted anime are forced to endured.
 
When it comes to anime that use CGI, why does it look so janky and it feels like the animations drop to single-digit FPS? Is it because some Japanese studios are still incapable of making CGI that looks good, or is it an inherit nature of CGI itself?
It's all of the above plus Japanese computer usage not being as prolific as it is (and soon to be "was" holy fuck) in the West. They were able to learn to handle computers from the '90s-onward once they got the hang of it (still took several years), but then the software used would stay the same until they absolutely had to upgrade them. That's likely why it is Berserk 2016 looked so shitty is because it was a new program the (young) studio was working with and the animators weren't experienced with it. Meanwhile studios whose forté is CGI excel in it as seen with Digital Frontier.

Also a lot of newer animators in the last several years just haven't built up the experience proper. Either they're still doing grunt work, they're burning out too quickly, they literally have no still life experience (i.e. not drawing realism on the regular) or the veterans of the industry just haven't been bothered to train them.
 
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