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vern said:
It largely depends on the mangaka, There was one mangaka I think it was the one who made princess jellyfish who at one point was juggling 4-5 series at once totaling to about 200 pages a month because she was able to manage at least 10 or more assistants in one room.
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Same with Fairy tail's Mashima. Dude works 4 days a week and every assistant praises him. He one time put 3 chapers of FT in one week just because he could and another time juggled 2-3 weeklies for a month or so. Trash his stories how you want, but he is extremely efficient
 
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PeruvianPerun said:
Same with Fairy tail's Mashima. Dude works 4 days a week and every assistant praises him. He one time put 3 chapers of FT in one week just because he could and another time juggled 2-3 weeklies for a month or so. Trash his stories how you want, but he is extremely efficient
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So he's the manga equivalent of a fry cook. Just because you make more slop than others doesn't mean its not slop.
 
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Double-posting, but it is honestly kind of sad that many still refuse to watch anime or give it a fair chance for reasons like this.
Anime and a lot of Japanese associated tropes gives me a lot of secondhand embarrassment, and I find a lot of it creepy and pervy. It's just straight up absurd and gross, with terrible dialogue. And a lot of that stuff is commonplace in this kind of media.
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That said, not all Japanese properties are bad, far from it. I have played a great deal of Japanese video games. Those like Metroid that aren’t constantly awash in weird pervy stuff are great. It’s part of why I moved away from the Fire Emblem series, most of the new games are basically waifu simulators.
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Honestly, I also just don’t get the appeal of much of it, or why it’s considered superior to Western or other kinds of media.
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To be embarrassed by the medium because you find some aspects "creepy and pervy" does a disservice to the medium as far as I'm concerned.
 
It's a knee high wall that keeps most people out, and that's enough. I don't want it getting anymore mainstream than it already has for reasons I can't really go into in this thread.
 
Gravityqueen4life said:
I kinda regret i never got into Madoka back when it was aring.
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There’s a new movie continuation coming out, so it’s definitely not too late to check it out now.

When it was airing though, man was the excitement high. There were pretty much new theories and speculation out there wazoo. That it managed to nail the landing when so many other shows fail to do so at the end only made it even more revered.

I honestly do consider it to be the 2010s equivalent to Evangelion, if only for the amount of analysis that it still gets to this day.
 
LightDragonman1 said:
Honestly, Madoka Magica is still, as far as I'm concerned, one of the best anime to come out of the 2010s. Easily one of the most analyzed at least.
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This is the coldest of cold takes 🥶
Honestly the saddest thing that the current era of weebs don't care about it and SHAFT/Aniplex hasn't done much to help its retain its relevancy. The new movie is coming out in a couple of weeks yet anticipation is lukewarm at best then again that's also SHAF's fault because it should have came out two years ago.
 
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Kinda funny how wrong it is in the context of the anime since Homura is fighting for Madoka despite her not remembering she exists, and the anime ends on everyone forgetting Madoka exists besides Homura, that goes insane from it.
Chocolate Rain said:
This is the coldest of cold takes 🥶
Honestly the saddest thing that the current era of weebs don't care about it and SHAFT/Aniplex hasn't done much to help its retain its relevancy. The new movie is coming out in a couple of weeks yet anticipation is lukewarm at best then again that's also SHAF's fault because it should have came out two years ago.
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Madoka just doesn't work as a franchise, you can't do other timelines since everything doesn't matter after the series ending. The Gacha was uninspired shit and doesn't really know what it even aims at. And in the end only two characters matter in the grand scheme of things.

The show was good, though I don't remember it being anywhere deep as people suggest. It and Monogatari did kill off SHAFT as a studio that did fun quirky anime.
 
Yeah, I honestly don't care for Madoka. Watched it in college a couple years after it ended, and when I ignore how the Witch's Lair scenes gave me motion-sickness, I was like "Huh. Okay, then", and the third movie was okay, but made me feel like the series was a waste of time.

Granted, it's been over ten years since I last saw it, so I will have to do a rewatch to even follow along with the new movie that took its sweet time to come out. If I still get motion-sickness, that's how I know the visual director fucked up bigly because not even Gankutsuou made me ill. Also Gen Urobuchi is still a pretentious hack, nothing has changed that.

The memes that came from the series are pretty legendary, which is likely the only reason it's remained in the public conscious for this long with nothing new and substantial in years.
 
Madoka was pretty great. I guess you could be disappointed if you had multiple people hyping it up to you as the greatest, deepest thing ever (is anything?), but it's a tightly executed dozen episodes that does everything it can and tells everything it wants to tell in that time, and that's always worth something. I can't think of any moment in Madoka that's filler, or any plot thread that goes to waste.

I enjoyed the spin-off manga in alternate timelines because what if stories are usually fun in general, but the spin-offs starring new characters I've read were just uninspired tripe by authors who clearly had no real ideas on what to do with the premise/setting that the original didn't already cover. The sequel is fun, but the original was already so conclusive that it didn't really need to exist, which is probably why a lot of people aren't super hyped for seeing where they'll go with yet another sequel.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Madoka just doesn't work as a franchise, you can't do other timelines since everything doesn't matter after the series ending. The Gacha was uninspired shit and doesn't really know what it even aims at. And in the end only two characters matter in the grand scheme of things.

The show was good, though I don't remember it being anywhere deep as people suggest. It and Monogatari did kill off SHAFT as a studio that did fun quirky anime.
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Eva taught us that you can pretty much make a longstanding franchise out of anything if you sellout hard enough.

I agree that Madoka is a good show, very good, but it doesn’t leave a lasting impression once it’s over. It certainly didn’t have the most memorable cast of characters either. Madoka came out in 2011, which is still one of the best years for anime releases ever. However, if you ask someone what show they remember most from that year, they’d probably say something like STEINS;GATE instead.
 
Chocolate Rain said:
Madoka came out in 2011, which is still one of the best years for anime releases ever. However, if you ask someone what show they remember most from that year, they’d probably say something like STEINS;GATE instead.
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Nichijou is another, as are AnoHana, Blue Exorcist, and Deadman Wonderland and Future Diary hilariously enough. Also forgot Guilty Crown was that year; maybe that would've been the most talked about anime from 2011 were it not for Steins;Gate and Madoka (which I thought was 2010 until I glanced at the season).

Also saw Beelzebub came out 2011, I should just sit down and watch it since I have the Blu-Ray from a whim.
 
Chocolate Rain said:
Eva taught us that you can pretty much make a longstanding franchise out of anything if you sellout hard enough.
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Eva is different, first of all it is way easier to be used as coomer bait than the derpy Madoka character design. Besides it Eva is a natural progression in the mecha genre and you can have prequels, sequels and AU without real issue, while having different tones.

Madoka meanwhile is just a dark take on Magical Girl genre that isn't that original and doesn't build up from previous works. The story has a definitive end points and due to its nature, prequels and AU don't matter since the whole point is that the struggle is self perpetuating. You also can't do different tones of the franchise since the dark tone is the series identity.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Eva is different, first of all it is way easier to be used as coomer bait than the derpy Madoka character design. Besides it Eva is a natural progression in the mecha genre and you can have prequels, sequels and AU without real issue, while having different tones.
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Eva is still Shinji's personal story and his progression (regression) is the single revolving piece of Eva's narrative and it reached a natural conclusion with End of Eva. Its why all forms of Eva related media are just variations of the same concepts and themes except less interesting due to marketability because they're smart enough to realize that nobody gives a fuck about the lore surrounding the world or its history they just love the cast above all else.

You're right about Madoka in that it generally doesn't have a strong enough premise and setting to make a franchise out of and the characters aren't strong enough on their own to carry it on likeness alone its why nobody gave a fuck about Magia Exedra or anything up until the release of the new movie.

The only franchise I've seen in recent years that could thrive just by its premise alone is Fate and even then they still have to shill Saber in everything.
 
Chocolate Rain said:
Eva is still Shinji's personal story and his progression (regression) is the single revolving piece of Eva's narrative and it reached a natural conclusion with End of Eva. Its why all forms of Eva related media are just variations of the same concepts and themes except less interesting due to marketability because they're smart enough to realize that nobody gives a fuck about the lore surrounding the world or its history they just love the cast above all else.

You're right about Madoka in that it generally doesn't have a strong enough premise and setting to make a franchise out of and the characters aren't strong enough on their own to carry it on likeness alone its why nobody gave a fuck about Magia Exedra or anything up until the release of the new movie.

The only franchise I've seen in recent years that could thrive just by its premise alone is Fate and even then they still have to shill Saber in everything.
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Eva's main theme is about human connection and trauma (or alternatively how autistic the average Japanese man is). You can set it as pure romcom and it would still work, it also helps that it has a pretty big cast and 24 episodes to (mostly) finish.

Madoka's main theme is about how doing good things for others won't always give you the gratitude you expect, ESPECIALLY if you did it without the person knowing, you can't really translate into a light hearted content because it's a way more adult topic. Also Madoka herself literally can't be a character since Homura literally gatekeeps her from developing. The main cast is memorable but you can't really expand on them too much.

Fate was a franchise before GO due to Nasu's massive autism. Wonder why no one tries to take old LN like Magical Index and make a gacha on them.
 
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