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you think they'd realize by now magic is an unrecreatable phenomena and more people knowing it decreasing its value makes their existence as an organization an active detriment to the existence of magic
The problem is, there are only like 6 "True" Magics that do insane shit like the second magic that allows for multiversal shenanigans

Or the point of the holy grail war which is to access the 3rd magic or Heavens Feel.

Reality marbles are close to I think the 3rd magic and the point of the mage association is to get these true magics, any other "magic" they use are essentially parlor tricks, and with magic getting weaker as time goes on it makes them more panicky to get access to true magics
 
In Witch on the Holy Night the main character is so proficient at a killing technique that he managed to kill a werewolf that is immune to physical and most magical damage. Maybe it technically isn't magic but it's supernatural enough.
The Church is OP because testaments and rites hard counter magic and dead apostles from the concept of human mortality being a mandate by God and death being the only way to find salvation. Also, every supernatural blessing not being from him as inferior demon witchcraft blotted out by true miracles he can bestow.
Still don't really understand what's the difference between Magic, Source and the Church.
Shirou even with his ability to project Noble Phantasms is considered a pretty bad mage as well. He can only do three things, project swords, reinforce those swords and use his reality marble, and he doesn't have the mana to do the shit he does during the holy grail war.

Like Archer heavily implies that he can only use Unlimited Blade Works as a Servant, specifically because he has the mana source to use it, he received the reality marble when he died. Shiro has it earlier, sure, but the only route of the three that he uses it in is UBW, where he has Rin to siphon mana off of, and even then, the Reality marble almost immediately starts falling apart. Sure, he has a reality marble that the spirit of the world doesn't try to destroy, but he doesn't have the mana to maintain it on his own until he becomes a Counter Guardian/Heroic Spirit.

As for Projecting Noble Phantasms, outside of the grail war Shiro can only really project his two swords Kanshou and Bakuya, as well as Rho Ais, anything else would be impractical or overkill, and we also again don't know how many of them he can do before he starts running out of mana.

I also forget to mention that he can't use his Reality Marble around anyone other than Rin because it's seen as close to "true" magic and the Mage association would try to kill and dissect him to figure out how he is able to do it.
The technique to project items is seen as completely useless as you need to memorize things really well and mages can just buy what they need. It's only good for Shirou because A. It's the only type of magic he can do pretty well. B. He has the luck of being in the Grail War and seeing magical items that don't exist anymore in the world. C. He seemingly has the ability to memorize items from a glance. D. He has Excalibur Sheathe within him that grants him infinite mana and health regen.
 
In Witch on the Holy Night the main character is so proficient at a killing technique that he managed to kill a werewolf that is immune to physical and most magical damage. Maybe it technically isn't magic but it's supernatural enough.
Wasn't he being buffed? That was main justification and it still killed him, IIRC.
Still don't really understand what's the difference between Magic, Source and the Church.
Belief is unironically magic.
The Church is just using holy magic good in every part of the world because Christianity is so widespread whereas Feng Shui and Japanese folk magic would be useless in other regions of the world.
He has Excalibur Sheathe within him that grants him infinite mana and health regen.
health regen, yes
mana, no

Besides, it only activates when Artoria is around.
 
You know things are dire when two animes are named Yuusha Party at the same season.

Everything related to Magic is autistic to the point of not even being fun with how retarded it is. Magic is dozens of rules followed by - if you are skilled/rich/old enough you can ignore X rules whenever you want. Including being physically strong enough to channel magic unknowingly.

And that's before you get into the exponentially increasing cast. I think Strange Fate original episode had some woman doing "just as planned" which is only known by being in some LN.

And the funny thing is all the lore in GO ended up not fucking mattering, which makes me glad I never sunk too much into the rabbit hole (if playing the VN and watching the anime wasn't enough).
What the fuck are you talking about, its always been pretty consistent that a older lineage is stronger than a new one and even the lord of modern magecraft affirms it, he knows that he is a shit mage but his strengths lies elsewhere.

And since when the lore in FGO didn't matter? At which point?

It happens with all the Martial Artists that somehow are capable of 1 vs. 1 magicians while unarmed.

Don't forget the Church that is still unexplained.... The whole powerscaling is really fucked since original Fate had magicians be really weak due to technology, but they are still capable of absolutely insane acts on the regular with seemingly 90% being geniuses.
Why are you lying? No mage is weak because of technology, they tend to value tradition but they can use technology if they want, Kiritsugu used modern weaponry alongside his time accel magecraft.

was this a narita thing?
because nasu keeps magic not based on myths or old tales vague as fuck

thank christ for that
the greek gods being spaceships and native south american ones being space bacteria are fucking retarded ideas and nasu should stop trying to give such ridiculous explanations to things nobody asked for
TYPE-MOON always had the foot in sci-fi, even before Fate itself. And it wasn't even FGO which introduced it to fate itself but Extra.

you think they'd realize by now magic is an unrecreatable phenomena and more people knowing it decreasing its value makes their existence as an organization an active detriment to the existence of magic
>He doesnt know about Marisbury Animusphere and his Grand Order.
 
TYPE-MOON always had the foot in sci-fi, even before Fate itself. And it wasn't even FGO which introduced it to fate itself but Extra.
And it was always the stupidest part because Nasu cannot differentiate sci-fi and magic in the exact sameway horrible sci-fi writers can't.
>He doesnt know about Marisbury Animusphere and his Grand Order.
For the last time, "Gudao," just put my fries in the bag
 
health regen, yes
mana, no

Besides, it only activates when Artoria is around.
Maybe I'm confusing it with Rin giving him some mana via Dolphins. Maybe burning out his magic circuits over and over kinda counts.
What the fuck are you talking about, its always been pretty consistent that a older lineage is stronger than a new one and even the lord of modern magecraft affirms it, he knows that he is a shit mage but his strengths lies elsewhere.
Older lineage only better if they get the offsprings with the ability to use it well. Look at the Matou household.
And since when the lore in FGO didn't matter? At which point?
The ending.
Why are you lying? No mage is weak because of technology, they tend to value tradition but they can use technology if they want, Kiritsugu used modern weaponry alongside his time accel magecraft.
It's been a rule that advancement of technology. Age of the gods mages were OP since most of the world was unexplained. As normal people understanding grew the power of magic weakened, it's the most basic lore in the series.
 
I am halfway through the first season of Umamusume, and it's not really great, to be honest. Feels like it was made in a hurry to capitalize on the success of the game. The sports aspect, slice of life and the drama all fall flat due to the series trying to incorporate all three things simultaneously and rushing it all at the same time. Doesn't help to constantly bring in new horses just for fan service.

Do the later seasons and movie(s) try to actually build up a character and take their time with the training and races so that it's actually exiting or is Umamusume just another slice of life and I should watch another show if I want an actual sports anime ?
 
I am halfway through the first season of Umamusume, and it's not really great, to be honest. Feels like it was made in a hurry to capitalize on the success of the game. The sports aspect, slice of life and the drama all fall flat due to the series trying to incorporate all three things simultaneously and rushing it all at the same time. Doesn't help to constantly bring in new horses just for fan service.

Do the later seasons and movie(s) try to actually build up a character and take their time with the training and races so that it's actually exiting or is Umamusume just another slice of life and I should watch another show if I want an actual sports anime ?
The second season and Cinderella are amazing. First season is not bad but too unfocused.
 
I am halfway through the first season of Umamusume, and it's not really great, to be honest. Feels like it was made in a hurry to capitalize on the success of the game. The sports aspect, slice of life and the drama all fall flat due to the series trying to incorporate all three things simultaneously and rushing it all at the same time. Doesn't help to constantly bring in new horses just for fan service.

Do the later seasons and movie(s) try to actually build up a character and take their time with the training and races so that it's actually exiting or is Umamusume just another slice of life and I should watch another show if I want an actual sports anime ?
Season 1 was very much made before they really knew what they wanted to do show wise.

Season 2 is kino and Cinderella Gray is also really fucking good. You can watch CGray without watching the other Uma seasons as well since it's a different continuity
 
Maybe I'm confusing it with Rin giving him some mana via Dolphins. Maybe burning out his magic circuits over and over kinda counts.

Older lineage only better if they get the offsprings with the ability to use it well. Look at the Matou household.

The ending.

It's been a rule that advancement of technology. Age of the gods mages were OP since most of the world was unexplained. As normal people understanding grew the power of magic weakened, it's the most basic lore in the series.
Do you know what lineage means? The magecraft is like a liquid being transfered from a container, the next in succession should be able to hold the liquid. If the container is full of holes, the liquid will leak and it will be in a worse position but that doesn't mean that the magecraft nurtured by that bloodline is worse. Kariya did pretty great with his magecraft at the expense of his own body as did Zouken, who is rotting while alive. The Makiri lineage with Zouken at the final point is still stronger than most magi that came after him.

The ending
Lol what? It ended up like that precisely because that was the point of the whole FGO lore with prime species, quantum timelocks, lostbelts and restoration of humanity/Proper Human History. That was the only end possible and aligned with their objective: destroy the lostbelts and return to PHH.

It's been a rule that advancement of technology. Age of the gods mages were OP since most of the world was unexplained. As normal people understanding grew the power of magic weakened, it's the most basic lore in the series.
Dude, you are so damn wrong it hurts. First of all: Extra, where the magecraft declined in the 1970, they turned themselves into Wizards and used spiritrons instead.

And second: the end of Age of Gods is NATURAL, gods and divine spirits aren't the prime species of earth anymore, just like Humans won't be in the future, our descendents will leave Earth to travel along the stars. The Moon Dubai chapter is all about it, the fight against MoonCancer, the physical manifestation of the pruning phenomenon because humanity refuses to accept their end and let the next prime species to flourish and this is so ancient that predates the entire Fate series, bringing in concepts that started on Notes. And even more with Gilgamesh's perspective on humanity in Extra CCC and his flashbacks to his talk with Enkidu. It is even brought up in strange fake. Humans will eventually die and there will be a succession in the same way that the Age of the Gods ended.

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What made humans the prime species was never magecraft, that is the whole point. Mages are beings fixated in the past and by their own nature, they will never be fulfilled.

And in Lostbelt 7, with the themes of extinction, death, restart and passing the baton for the next one. Tezcatlipoca really is one of the very few beings that understand the endings that countless beings suffered and will suffer in the future.

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removing the sex was unironically a mistake
Wait what? They retconned it? The mana transfer thing was surprisingly grounded for a "lame reason to put sex in my VN". The more I read about the Nasuverse the better I feel about abandoning it.

Tokai Teio and Oguri Cap are also just better written protags than Special Week, mainly because again they didn't really know what the fuck to do with her
Fuck Spe, long live Oguri Cap! May her feasts be ever bountiful.

At least ingame, every other character is more interesting than Spe, even the low-star ones.
 
Wait what? They retconned it? The mana transfer thing was surprisingly grounded for a "lame reason to put sex in my VN".
Yeah. And it was better than what they replaced it with. Rin schlicking it in the corner while Shirou and Saber bang and Shirou jackhammering Rin at her retarded request are amazing comedic scenes.
The more I read about the Nasuverse the better I feel about abandoning it.
i almost envy you
 
At least ingame, every other character is more interesting than Spe, even the low-star ones.
Special Week in game is okay, she's carried by her ingame events.

The character I was indifferent to in the anime but fell in love with in the game was fucking Suzuka. she's so good in game personality wise.
 
Wait what? They retconned it? The mana transfer thing was surprisingly grounded for a "lame reason to put sex in my VN". The more I read about the Nasuverse the better I feel about abandoning it.
Less that they retconned it and more that they couldn't show it in the more recent adaptations.

Dean Stay Night kept the implication that Shirou and Saber had sex from what I remember
 
Less that they retconned it and more that they couldn't show it in the more recent adaptations.

Dean Stay Night kept the implication that Shirou and Saber had sex from what I remember
No, it was the dragon. Same in the VN.

For some reason, they still hint that tantric rituals or at the very least embarrassing ones exist that they'll have to use to sustain Saber. It's in the UBW anime's Good End Blu-Ray special and in the Realta Nua.

Frankly, they should've just done a fade to black instead.
Shirou narrating about how beautiful Saber's toes are is more awkward than referring to her vagina.
 
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