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vern
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I'm not sure I fully buy the idea that the reason manga overtook comics in the US is because the former focused on bookstores and convivence stores while the later stayed in their own dedicated stores, but I'm willing to believe it a little more then some internet grifters that just go "manga good, comic bad, like and subscribe and give me money to stick it to those dumb comic publishers" (Also iirc this channel did a a video awhile back on why Bone ended up being one of the most sold graphic novel series for similar reasons)
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This is most definitely not true, anecdotal evidence, I know, but I remember seeing comics in the same section as Manga back in the early 2000s inside Barnes & Noble stores. Manga and Comics were both placed next to Sci-Fi, and pretty much each got one or two rows of bookshelves back in the day. Comics had the problem of only really having newer shit on the shelves, with older works only really being there if they were popular enough to be reprinted like Dark Knight Returns. Comics also had a barrier to entry that Manga didn't have. Most comics in book stores were anthology comics, not individual books, so they were stupid expensive compared to Manga (A manga back when I was a kid was 8 dollars compared to the anthology comics that were being sold at like 15 to 20), and if you DID find a single issue comic, you ran the risk of having no idea what was going on story-wise.
Comics going full retard on the woke shit didn't help obviously as well.
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I think another thing that helped was manga is a lot less obtuse to get into. Each volume is clearly numbered, and each series, with a few exceptions, is very self-contained. Even if you know nothing about the medium, it's very obvious that you start with the one numbered "1" and go from there. Whereas with Western comics there's so many timelines and crossovers and alternate universes and special issues that that if you don't already know the lore it's very easy to pick one up and just be absolutely fucking lost. I distinctly remember the first comic I ever read being The Dark Knight Returns, which I found in a library when I was like 12, and my only frame of reference for Batman was the animated series and shit my parents had told me about the Adam West TV show. Needless to say I was confused and horrified.
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It also helped that Manga were more readily adapted to animation than Comics ever were. Yes, manga faced changes and such but the spirit of the story tended to stay pretty on point, comics being faithfully adapted to episodic animation is something that I don't think even happens to this day. Yes, you have movies made of specific comic runs, but Spider-Man the Animated Series was its own self-contained story with nothing really to do with the Spider-Man comic line, same with Batman the Animated Series or Superman the Animated Series, as an example.
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Well, and from a business perspective the purpose of most anime is to be an advertisement for the manga. And that works just as well outside of its native market. American kids would watch anime, because it had a lot more violence and blood and tits and general edginess than Western animation, then they'd get to the end of of the show, realize the story wasn't finished, and they would have to seek out the manga if they wanted to know how it ended. At that point, a certain percentage of them are going to be hooked on the medium, and it metastasizes from there.
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That's how it worked for me, I remember watching Dragon Ball Z on Toonami and being upset that it wasn't showing on TV anymore. I was around 7 when one of my cousins gave me the Omnibus of the Original Yugioh Manga as well as the first 4 volumes of Dragon Ball to read for my birthday. I had my dad ask them where they bought it and they told me Barnes and Noble and I eventually ended up spending most of my weekends at the store, which my dad didn't mind since it got me and my brother reading and it allowed him to chill out and have a coffee without us bugging him.
Any show we watched we at least read the Manga for, It also helped that my library started taking in Manga as well as renting out DVDs of Anime they had, which was how I first watched Ranma.
Cartoon Network airing anime on both Toonami and Adult Swim helped immensely too, and 4kids for all their dog shit dubbing practices helped with things like Shaman King, Yugioh and Pokemon.
Teen Titans, Justice League, the Animated Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man shows, as well as the X-Men show, were great, don't get me wrong, but they were so different from their source material that reading them was a pain in the ass. Story-wise, obviously, but also art-wise, like imagine you're a kid and you go from seeing this
To trying to read this
Or if you're reading Teen Titans you go from this version of the team
To this version
A lot of kids would have hated the lack of continuity between source materials, mainly because it makes it a pain in the ass to read.
Meanwhile, Anime tends to be close if not 1 1 with their source manga.
vern
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I remember things a little different in two ways. one was stores like target and walmart used to have manga magazines for both shonen jump and shojo beat nestled in the the little isle at checkout where all the trading card games used to be, and iirc used to be even cheaper then the volumes and the first place to read new stories if you where a kid without easy access to the internet. Second was that the it really depended on the bookstore, the second hand used bookstore I've spent years going didn't even have half a shelve of manga in the 00s (and it still only has about 1 or 2 shelves worth), but some of the borders I went to, especially ones inside malls that had a lot of kids/teens hangout had entire sections dedicated to it. I remember going to one "going out of business sale" borders and the story the tokyopop founder gave about producing 40 titles a month right before the bookstore went bankrupt fits.
BingBongDingDong
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I know people don't like Boruto, but I've been enjoying it. Latest chapter was pretty cool for just showing Boruto cutting dudes up.
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I have Naruto on my to read list but wanted to ask something. Is Boruto a legitimate series that stands on its own or at least is a good continuation of Naruto or did the Mangaka fail with whatever he tried after his big success and just decided he might as well try to cash in on some cheap nostalgia ?
As for myself, I am halfway through Golden Wind. Although I can appreciate something's better now that I am reading it, it remains a collection of the worst traits and ideas Araki tends to incorporate into his work.
Hope I can get some good deals next week on some manga. Gonna pick up Golden Kamuy and maybe something else depending on the deals.
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Boruto is a Dragon Ball Super situation where it was written and drawn by someone else. The first 13 volumes were written by Ukyo Kodachi and then everything after was written by Miki Ikemoto.
Kishimoto oversees it but over all it's not really him doing the writing or art, and it shows. I personally just ignore that Boruto exists. Naruto on it's own is a pretty good Manga read, even if it kind of jumps the shark near the end
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It's a fundamental difference between the manga and comic industries. Comic book companies let multiple different authors work on the same character, resulting in far greater quantity as well as different visual depictions and character interpretations. Eventually the incongruities became impossible to ignore to the point that both Marvel and DC threw their hands up and said fuck it, there's a multiverse and each different interpretation of the character is a different version from a different universe.
Manga, OTOH, is typically exclusive to one single author, meaning there's far less inherent contradictions and confusion. It also results in either a slow pace of release or severe, unsustainable overwork. We're seeing those chickens coming home to roost with major mangakas either dying, seriously slowing down the pace of their work, or outright abandoning series due to health concerns.
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Ah, ok, my mistake. I was under the impression that Kishimoto was doing art and story again.
Retarded Weeb
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Not exactly a new thing since you can find a lot of major mangaka in to past who stopped doing much after their biggest series was done because of the burnout and health issues with working on it, and there's a few who have been working at a slow pace due to health issues for over 10 years now. It does feel though like more and more mangaka nowadays are switching from doing weekly series to monthly series if they can. With a weekly series they're needing to put out about 20 pages a week, so that's needing to draw like 3 pages a day, whereas monthly series seem to have variable page counts and are something like 20 to 40 pages a month, so that's more like 1 page a day, maybe less.
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Late. But it is true but not in a positive way. The fight you are probably thinking about is Erza vs Kyoka. Which was terribly written and drawn.
Erza was tortured by Kyoka got beaten by Kyoka for the better part of two (three?) chapters then to make matters worse, Kyoka took away most of Erza's senses and increased her sensitivity to torture her (read: strange ecchi torture scenes).
After all that and breaking one of Erza's limbs, Erza got up and defeated Kyoka in one slash of her sword.
Erza was deaf, blind and couldn't (or shouldn't) sense Kyoka because Kyoka is not a wizard and yet Erza killed Kyoka anyways despite Kyoka dominating her fights with Erza throughout the entire arc previously.
The narrative shapes and contorts the entire plot around Fairy Tail ((guild of the protagonists)) winning their fights. So women alongside the men of Fairy Tail, win fights.
The fights are boring because you know the moment a Fairy Tail gets in trouble in a fight; they will win not because of tactics or cool power interactions but because the narrative says so. Like how I described the previously mentioned Erza vs Kyoka fight. This happened to Erza alone multiple times throughout the series (Kagura vs Minerva vs Erza; Erza vs Azuma; Erza and Wendy vs Irene) and these were just fights from the final couple of arcs!
The "because she is Erza" is a meme (and an actual quote from the manga!) about how Fairy Tail's narrative makes the characters win fights they had no business winning. As the author just makes the good guys win despite the bad guys having all the advantages.
It doesn't just happen to Erza (one of the main protagonists) it happens to all Fairy Tail guild members and their allies to a much, much lesser extent. Well, the allies only get this "buff" if they are fighting with Fairy Tail guild.
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Not new per se but ever since Miura died there's been a substantial spotlight on the issue. It was kind of a flashpoint because one of the biggest names in the game was suddenly gone, and well before his time. I imagine publishing companies started to better recognize the risk of killing their golden geese by demanding too much of their authors.
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See, at least ecchi wears its content on its sleeve, delivers, and is unabashed about it. For all the shonen tease in the world, Nami's bikini is never coming off, Lucy will never truly be a cow, and Orihime will only ever show off so much midriff...
A man can only suffer so much.
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oh yeah, erza was completely naked and had that tentacle demon thing draped over her to electrify her and shit
saw it on 4chan in some threads about how far some shounen mangaka go
why not just go all the way at that point?
like, this is sadomasochism aimed at kids
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How's the series/manga ? Looks interesting as long as it is more slice of life than anything else.
Also made the unfortunate discovery that Somali and the Forest Spirit got discontinued ages ago. It's fine, not like I enjoyed the anime immensely.