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Filler was actually good because it kept shounenspics busy and away from general anime discussion.
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
I'll agree thing like the full scale filler arcs like Bleach's Bounto arc tend to be shit, but the bite sized filler (ironically happened a lot in Naruto) where they just make a mishmash of a team had a better track record due to the spotlight missing from those side characters. Even then some of the worse filler arcs still became more memorable than most modern anime.
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Yeah the bit sized ones were the best out of the bunch, although the one filler arc I think is decent is G-8 (will say it's probably the best out of all the one piece filler, although that's a low bar) although like most filler it did end up making a few plot holes because they didn't know what Oda had planned for the series.
 
OG Sailor Moon anime legit benefited from filler. Probably one of the very few exceptions where filler was beneficial.
 
Might as well discuss filler arcs in anime. Yugioh had weird ones in being both absolutely awful and iconic, though the pink haired guy arc was when I stopped watching the original. Always wondered if I should go back and watch the last arc.
 
Retarded Weeb said:
IIRC, the manga author even encouraged them to do this.
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I've heard (though I'm not sure how true it is) there was some concern that if they just looked at what was out already and tried to go their own way from there they might end up too close to the mark and accidentally spoil the manga, so Arakawa gave the Bones guys an outline of where she intended to take the manga storyline long-term and they made their changes specifically not to step on its toes.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Might as well discuss filler arcs in anime. Yugioh had weird ones in being both absolutely awful and iconic, though the pink haired guy arc was when I stopped watching the original. Always wondered if I should go back and watch the last arc.
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Virtual World arc is honestly pretty good for the most part, at least by the anime's standards, and touches on some stuff in Kaiba's past that the adaptation had skipped over till then but are important to know for later. It's just horribly placed, awkwardly shoved right into the middle of an existing tournament arc between the quarter- and semi-finals, so people watching at the time felt blue-balled hard. And one extra misstep it has is having Gozaburou be not dead and show up and duel Kaiba at the end, since that gives Kaiba too much closure for his whole thing later in his rematch against Yugi to make sense.

The Orichalcos arc is the weird one where it's mostly bad but everyone remembers it. The arc is mostly entertaining to watch, especially the particularly climactic moments, but it's also filled with a lot plot contrivances and the whole premise is kind of out-there even for Yu-Gi-Oh (Oh you thought everything was about ancient Egypt? Well actually there's was an even more advanced and magical society in super ancient Atlantis that everything dates back to!), and firmly places the anime universe as entirely different from the manga continuity by establishing the whole Duel Spirit world thing that GX and 5D's would later also use.

The KC Grand Prix arc on the other hand is mostly pretty boring and unremarkable except for the last couple duels. Luckily it's the shortest arc. At least it gave us this image. 1445665255231.webp

Last arc by the way is good, especially if you're watching it in Japanese. It has a lot of death that was very painful for the English dub to try and paper over. The manga version of the arc is a lot different and mostly better though, but that's kind of true of the whole anime.

TenMilesWide said:
I've heard (though I'm not sure how true it is) there was some concern that if they just looked at what was out already and tried to go their own way from there they might end up too close to the mark and accidentally spoil the manga, so Arakawa gave the Bones guys an outline of where she intended to take the manga storyline long-term and they made their changes specifically not to step on its toes.
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Kind of funny, that's kind of the opposite of what happened with the Trigun anime. I don't remember if there was anything said to confirm this, but it seems Nightow gave the studio an outline of what he had planned because the manga hadn't been runnning for very long or have much to adapt when the anime came out, but a lot of plot points that happen later in the anime after it diverges are still extrememly close to stuff that happened later in the manga.
 
Pingas_Bingus said:
Filler was actually good because it kept shounenspics busy and away from general anime discussion.
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I know it's not shounen but I enjoyed the filler episodes of Sailor Moon more than the episodes based directly on the manga, probably because I preferred the comedy over the action or the drama.
 
Retarded Weeb said:
And one extra misstep it has is having Gozaburou be not dead and show up and duel Kaiba at the end, since that gives Kaiba too much closure for his whole thing later in his rematch against Yugi to make sense.
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Kaiba still ends the Battle City arc blowing up Alcatraz as a display of destroying his adopted father's legacy so he can remake KaibaCorp into his own image, so he clearly still had lingering hangups even after venting them in his match against Yugi. I'm not sure the absence of Gozaburo in the Virtual World arc would meaningfully impact that decision.

Retarded Weeb said:
Last arc by the way is good, especially if you're watching it in Japanese. It has a lot of death that was very painful for the English dub to try and paper over. The manga version of the arc is a lot different and mostly better though, but that's kind of true of the whole anime.
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It's absolutely better in the manga, but the story is still a rushed mess at several points, and Yami Bakura just getting replaced by Zorc feels like he never really gets a satisfying resolution, even with that Hikari Yugi vs Fragment Yami Bakura duel. I also think the anime made a good decision in having Akenaten's defeat happen before Zorc's.
 
I have a soft spot for Saint Seiya's Asgard Arc. A filler arc that expanded the world and fed the imagination of every kid that watched it ("wow, other mythologies have warriors and armors too!"). Of course, they proceed to memory hole the shit out of it afterwards.

I remember the hype around the Orichalcos arc, specially among younger kids.
 
Trollblade69 said:
Kaiba still ends the Battle City arc blowing up Alcatraz as a display of destroying his adopted father's legacy so he can remake KaibaCorp into his own image, so he clearly still had lingering hangups even after venting them in his match against Yugi. I'm not sure the absence of Gozaburo in the Virtual World arc would meaningfully impact that decision.
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It's more that Kaiba's hang ups over Gozaburou make more immediate sense in the manga considering he's trying to get one over on a dead man. He can't really do that, Gozaburou is dead, so he needs to learn to move on in a more constructive way. The anime has that play out the same, except there was a story arc just before this where Kaiba literally did get one over on Gozaburou, who was still alive, beat him in a card game, told him to go fuck himself, and then watched him get blown up to death. Considering this was a change not intended for the original story, it's a bit odd then that Kaiba is still just as hung up a day later over proving himself a better man than Gozaburou with mostly the same dialogue as the manga.
Trollblade69 said:
It's absolutely better in the manga, but the story is still a rushed mess at several points, and Yami Bakura just getting replaced by Zorc feels like he never really gets a satisfying resolution, even with that Hikari Yugi vs Fragment Yami Bakura duel. I also think the anime made a good decision in having Akenaten's defeat happen before Zorc's.
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The manga's last arc is rushed, but I still find it satisfying despite that. The only way to "fix" it would be to basically do a total rewrite expansion to make it at least twice as long to fully play out the whole Priest Seto betrayal and war that was alluded to. The anime doesn't do that, it just moves some stuff around and changes details, mostly for the worse. But I agree that moving Akhenaden's defeat earlier was a good move. Saving it for last probably made sense in Takahashi's head because of his original plans, but without the whole original Priest Seto storyline playing out it makes more sense to end things off on Zorc's defeat since doing the Atem vs Seto fight and Akhenaden's death afterwords just feels like hastily wrapping up a straggling plot thread.
 
TenMilesWide said:
I've heard (though I'm not sure how true it is) there was some concern that if they just looked at what was out already and tried to go their own way from there they might end up too close to the mark and accidentally spoil the manga, so Arakawa gave the Bones guys an outline of where she intended to take the manga storyline long-term and they made their changes specifically not to step on its toes.
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Its kind of interesting that if you compare Arakawa's newest shonen manga with both FMA and Silver Spoon.
Both had already gotten adapted and had their original anime almost wrapped up in about 3 years (FMA started in 2001 and its first anime ended in 2004, Silver Spoon started in 2011 and its final anime season ended in 2014), and her newest series, Yomi no Tsugai/Daemons of the Shadow Realm, has been running for about 4.5 years and as far as I heard hasn't even been rumored to be getting one soon.
Granted said newest series isn't selling the same amount as her previous works, but its still one of the best selling series running today (think it was 30th for top selling manga last year), and I've had a pet theory that studios today are waiting longer and longer to adapt manga or LNs for one reason or another (lack of people making it, more complicated production boards, switch in how shows are marketed, etc) and Daemons is one of those series that if it came out a decode ago, it probably would of gotten an anime within 2-3 years.
Retarded Weeb said:
Last arc by the way is good, especially if you're watching it in Japanese. It has a lot of death that was very painful for the English dub to try and paper over. The manga version of the arc is a lot different and mostly better though, but that's kind of true of the whole anime.
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I've heard a fan theory(?) awhile ago that because of one difference in the last arc (Kiaba being present for the final Yami/Yugi duel in the anime but not in the manga) made two different timelines that explained why the manga versions of GX, 5ds, Zexal, etc. are so different to their anime counterparts, but I've only read a bit of the GX manga so I don't know how different each manga/anime are and if its just a crackpot theory when the simple answer is they just got some guy to make a manga version after the anime and they ran into the usual "catching up to the adaption" problem but in reverse.
 
vern said:
I've heard a fan theory(?) awhile ago that because of one difference in the last arc (Kiaba being present for the final Yami/Yugi duel in the anime but not in the manga) made two different timelines that explained why the manga versions of GX, 5ds, Zexal, etc. are so different to their anime counterparts, but I've only read a bit of the GX manga so I don't know how different each manga/anime are and if its just a crackpot theory when the simple answer is they just got some guy to make a manga version after the anime and they ran into the usual "catching up to the adaption" problem but in reverse.
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I can see where that would come from, since Kaiba getting to see the final duel play out would have likely affected him and whether he would go on to do things he does in the DSoD movie (which is manga continuity). But it's a moot point since the anime diverged even earlier, most notably with Pegasus being alive or not. In the manga Yami Bakura killed him and it even caused a villain in a spin-off manga to come after Yugi for it in revenge. In the anime he survived and went on to appear in future stories.

Actually, there's a bit of something with that in the game Duel Links. The villain of the 5D's movie, Paradox, wanted to go back in time and kill Pegasus to stop the Duel Monsters from existing in the future (because it would destroy the world). Duel Links treats all the original series characters as being their manga selves, while later characters are their anime selves, with any dead characters being virtual recreations. So there's a conversation between Paradox and Pegasus in the game where Paradox declares his motivations and plan to kill Pegasus, but Pegasus explains to him that even if he dies Duel Monsters will live on, and he knows this because he's not the Pegasus from Paradox's timeline, he's from a timeline where he died and yet Duel Monsters contined.

Bandit Keith also died in the manga but survived in the anime, Otogi/Duke has a totally different backstory, and other more minor changes. The Orichalcos arc also introduced the whole idea of there being a world full of Duel Monster spirits, which is at odds with the manga where no such thing exists. The only cards that have any magicalness to them in the original manga are the God Cards, Black Magician (Girl), and Blue Eyes White Dragon.

That all said, the differences between the anime and manga for later series like GX are massive and intentional. They're meant to be totally different AU stories rather than adaptations of the animes. And while the GX manga, which was made by one of Takahashi's assistants, tries to present itself as being the same continuity as the original manga and even has the villain be from ancient Egypt, the 5D's manga doesn't reference any previous series at all and may just be in its own continuity.
 
I forgot the Zatch Bell sequel manga has been coming out, it's apparently up to 30 chapters already (and on a monthly schedule too so it's been a while). guess I'll start reading that.

The original is one of my favorite shonen action series, easily my favorite in the monster battler category.
The "highlander tournament to pick the monsters' new king" premise would be enough to set it above most of that cohort in my books but the characters are fun (love the dynamic where the more typical 'hotheaded idiot with a heart of gold' titular protagonist is the companion monster, while the main human is a too-cool-for-school smartguy loner type who has to figure out how to work with him), the comedy lands more often than not, and the fights strike a good balance of humor, genuine tension, and cathartic payoffs from using the established powers/system. Just wish the anime didn't cut the final arc.
 
God of Nothing said:
Kakashi's True Face will be remembered for centuries while Jujutsu Kaisen was forgotten the nanosecond it ended.
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I thought Jujutsu Kaisen was great and I really like it. I heard the manga fell off hard after where the anime ended. But we've had this happen several times, Bleach was asinine after the first or second season too. Just enjoy what's good and drop it when it's bad. If you don't like it drop it on the spot. It doesn't matter what some nerd on the internet thinks about it.

This season is bad but relax, we're in a global recession. We still have a couple good series going. I'm watching that one with the old dude swordsmanship teacher and MHA Vigilantes
 
TenMilesWide said:
I forgot the Zatch Bell sequel manga has been coming out, it's apparently up to 30 chapters already (and on a monthly schedule too so it's been a while). guess I'll start reading that.

The original is one of my favorite shonen action series, easily my favorite in the monster battler category.
The "highlander tournament to pick the monsters' new king" premise would be enough to set it above most of that cohort in my books but the characters are fun (love the dynamic where the more typical 'hotheaded idiot with a heart of gold' titular protagonist is the companion monster, while the main human is a too-cool-for-school smartguy loner type who has to figure out how to work with him), the comedy lands more often than not, and the fights strike a good balance of humor, genuine tension, and cathartic payoffs from using the established powers/system. Just wish the anime didn't cut the final arc.
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Zatch Bell also has the most culturally & ethnically accurate depiction of an Italian in all of modern history.
 
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