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BiggestKai said:
*sheathes' revolver*
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Gotta love gunswords, since the days of FF8.

On the Green Gables front, Matthew's heart attack is completely glossed over, we got even less than I expected. And Anne had her growth spurt. They grow up so fast when the story is rushed... I rewatched the last few episodes dubbed (bad canadian accents abound), and I noticed just how much detail has been lost with the removal of the narrator. When Anne has to cut her hair due to the dye incident, the old show makes mention of Gilbert "liking Anne even more with short hair". But in the new show there's bupkiss, we get a single frame of Gilbert reacting, and he doesn't even smile.

There's no Idlewild, which means no destruction of Idlewild and loss of innocense. There's no Aunt Josephine. The writer's club was utterly dropped after 1 episode. Pretty much all the Christianity and religious characters have been gutted from the show (as expected). Marilla suddenly wears glasses now with no explaination of her chronic headaches. And even queen bitch Josie Pye isn't nearly as much of a little cunt anymore. While Marilla is languishing about Anne growing up and losing her imagination 8 episodes in, all I can think is, "You people do not know each other." God damn... 79' took 37 episodes to get to that point. It's obvious that they're going to be covering multiple books with this series, but the development nessecary to actually make those books impactful is just not there.

Good luck making Gilbert and Anne's future worth a damn when they haven't had 10 minutes of screen time together... At the conclusion of the 79' version (50 episodes in) the two of them managed to repair their busted relationship and promised to be good friends. There is no doubt from all the subtext/development up until that point that they're going to hook up. Not a single word needed to be spoken, because you already knew the characters cared about each other and the conclusion was satisfying.
man, just watch the Ghibli one...webp
 
Miragestallio said:
Just wanted to quickly vent my frustrations about Elfen Lied. Everyone on the internet and even irl swear up and down that it's one of the greatest pieces of art ever conceived, but I found it to be utter dog shit. There isn't a single character that is remotely likable and their motivations are really dumb. The only good thing about it is the music. Crazy to me how highly people speak of it
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It was babies first gore anime so it sticks out.
 
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Miragestallio said:
Just wanted to quickly vent my frustrations about Elfen Lied. Everyone on the internet and even irl swear up and down that it's one of the greatest pieces of art ever conceived, but I found it to be utter dog shit. There isn't a single character that is remotely likable and their motivations are really dumb. The only good thing about it is the music. Crazy to me how highly people speak of it
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Everything that aired on Toonami is disproportionately popular in the millenial centric parts of the anglo Internet.
 
Miragestallio said:
Just wanted to quickly vent my frustrations about Elfen Lied. Everyone on the internet and even irl swear up and down that it's one of the greatest pieces of art ever conceived, but I found it to be utter dog shit. There isn't a single character that is remotely likable and their motivations are really dumb. The only good thing about it is the music. Crazy to me how highly people speak of it
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I know someone who unironically loves Elfen Lied and says it's wholly misunderstood lol. He's made compelling arguments for his case, so I at least can see where he's coming from. He doesn't deny the fetishes are the most distracting part about it, so at least I know he's not getting off to it.
 
Miragestallio said:
Just wanted to quickly vent my frustrations about Elfen Lied. Everyone on the internet and even irl swear up and down that it's one of the greatest pieces of art ever conceived, but I found it to be utter dog shit. There isn't a single character that is remotely likable and their motivations are really dumb. The only good thing about it is the music. Crazy to me how highly people speak of it
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Elfen Lied is edge and not much else. I personally found it comedic with the dub on just due to the sheer violence and shitty voice acting. Best comparison I can make is a Halloween scary movie movie you forget about by the end of the month
 
Sven said:
This could just be the simplest answer that a low grad rate means only the absolutely top gets through, it means anybody presented with the diploma knows it's not just a useless scrap of paper and to even get a sniff of a graduate from such a prestigious school is a massive feather in the cap for a restaurant. It's like restaurants that advertise they have a Michelin star chef, it would be a huge clout boost.
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As I watch more of Food Wars, one of my questions is answered (that people do know of Joichiro, they just don't make the connection to Soma until it's often too late). The real issue is that it's high school bullshit in an environment that doesn't make sense for its setting.

OK, so we have our hero who's good but never good enough for his dad, we have the weird guy who runs around naked but he's this elite-tier chef so he's covered, we have the cute love interest who has her own take on things but tends to buckle under pressure, we have the would-be rival who's also competent in his own right, the "queen of campus" who acts like a bitch but deep down will eventually love the hero somehow, but we also have our requisite nerd character who's book smart but we never see his work, and then the two athletic dudes who we don't even know their names but they pass every test anyway.

In traditional works these types of characters aren't good academically and can coast along on athletics or whatever, but they also have to be good cooks.

The problem with all of this is that being good at cooking and pleasing the whims of notoriously strict teachers makes their individual strengths and weaknesses irrelevant. Even in MHA, students in Class 1-A were judged on practical exams, "heroics", and raw strength, which is why people like Deku and Mineta got in.

Miragestallio said:
Just wanted to quickly vent my frustrations about Elfen Lied. Everyone on the internet and even irl swear up and down that it's one of the greatest pieces of art ever conceived, but I found it to be utter dog shit. There isn't a single character that is remotely likable and their motivations are really dumb. The only good thing about it is the music. Crazy to me how highly people speak of it
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I can't remember if it was in this thread or someone's profile post but I remember talking about how Elfen Lied turned me off partly because the sexual stuff and violence are obviously fetishistic (this is confirmed) wherein stuff like Cowboy Bebop, there's plenty of fucked-up shit in that one too but it never feels as jarring because it's part of the gritty "bounty hunters in space" setting that the crew deals with—everyone they meet is either a drug dealer, murderer, or some other criminal, and while they might be sympathetic and/or interesting characters, it fits into the film noir environment they're going for.

The first episode ends with a man and a woman smuggling drugs, ending with a murder/suicide-by-cop, as well as the unconventional ways of finding the monster of the week's weakness, whether it's heterochromia or being comatose.
 
Miragestallio said:
Just wanted to quickly vent my frustrations about Elfen Lied. Everyone on the internet and even irl swear up and down that it's one of the greatest pieces of art ever conceived, but I found it to be utter dog shit. There isn't a single character that is remotely likable and their motivations are really dumb. The only good thing about it is the music. Crazy to me how highly people speak of it
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Oddjob OTP said:
Elfen Lied is all edge. You've been listening to people's opinions formed when they were edgy teenagers.
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How does Elfen Lied hold up compare to other edgy anime/manga that came out of it, i.e. Mahou Shoujo Site? A lot of people call that show the definition of being edgy.
 
Something about the 2000s edginess/juxtaposition in violence against children and animals was likely just shocking to the Western Internet since anime was just becoming more available but still had sanitization going on with certain localizations like 4KIDS. We were still "new" to the concept of how perilous things could get in anime because we didn't have access to older stuff where that was everywhere and the Japanese barely batted an eye at. That's why a show like Madoka Magica got so popular, it was still in the public conscious and more 2000s Internet teenagers were still discovering anime. Ten years or so later, it was so "ubiquitous" that eventually we got desensitized and grew annoyed with it.

Elfen Lied being a product of its time is the natural consequence of that as people start looking back and asking themselves "What the fuck did I see in it back then?", and becoming more critical. And being more critical towards nihilistic stories is the unfortunate consequence of that since we just can't take something at face-value anymore.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
We were still "new" to the concept of how perilous things could get in anime because we didn't have access to older stuff where that was everywhere and the Japanese barely batted an eye at. That's why a show like Madoka Magica got so popular, it was still in the public conscious and more 2000s Internet teenagers were still discovering anime. Ten years or so later, it was so "ubiquitous" that eventually we got desensitized and grew annoyed with it.
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I guess it could have played a factor, but I don't think it really applies to Madoka Magica. That show was clearly trying to be shocking in how it kept things relatively light in the first couple episodes before having a surprise death in the 3rd, accompanied by the dark-sounding ending theme playing for the first time. Even Japanese watchers reacted the same way as everyone else. Plus it was a good show and not even particularly edgy or gory, more just a barrage of tragic stuff happening that edges on being misery porn (wouldn't say it is).
 
Anyhoo I can't believe I forgot just how stellar the Elfen Lied soundtrack is outside of "Lilium" because that's the only reason I even bought the Blu-Ray steelbook to begin with 'cause it came with the OST. Even if the writing sucks ass (it's been years since I last saw it, I just know that it was a rather incomplete anime), the music was what truly carried the show forward and is a huge testament to the power of music in that that's why people will still praise the anime to this day.

God, this OST really needs to be included with a good script.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Anyhoo I can't believe I forgot just how stellar the Elfen Lied soundtrack is outside of "Lilium" because that's the only reason I even bought the Blu-Ray steelbook to begin with 'cause it came with the OST. Even if the writing sucks ass (it's been years since I last saw it, I just know that it was a rather incomplete anime), the music was what truly carried the show forward and is a huge testament to the power of music in that that's why people will still praise the anime to this day.

God, this OST really needs to be included with a good script.
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And better animation
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Elfen Lied is the definition of edgy that will never be done again in anime. What we have today is just misery porn.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-2yCMmWNXsI
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Grog said:
Having never seen this anime, it feels kind of cheap how every violent bloody act is hidden behind an object or out of camera while the only thing we see fully is the dog getting kicked.
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How much different would the edge factor have been if they actually showed the dog getting beaten? There was a part in a shitty Death Game manga, The Friends-Eater Classroom, where someone microwaves a cat, and that didn't do anything except makes that guy even more of an asshole, just like most of the other characters. The cat microwaver guy dying in the very next chapter didn't help his case either.
 
Grog said:
Having never seen this anime, it feels kind of cheap how every violent bloody act is hidden behind an object or out of camera while the only thing we see fully is the dog getting kicked.
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You see why I stopped watching anime after the 00's.
 
Too Many Losing Heroines! looks like a really sweet harem anime that does a nice balance of actually being clever while not having to figure out who will be the lucky girl that the main character will go out on a date with. If anything, it makes me think the harem genre is getting more complex in the anime landscape.

So far, in the beginning three episodes, it looks really well done from both an animation and writing aspect.

 
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