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The Marshal King Chapter 7, by Boichi(Sun Ken Rock/Dr Stone)
 
Kari Kamiya said:
I swear to God, the 2000s was full of anime adaptations that didn't follow the manga half the time, if that. I don't know why that was, if it was some strange 'aughts experiment or there were a lot of people thinking they could write the story "better" than the original creator. Although I think in most cases, that has everything to do with the manga being unfinished and there was no guarantee they'd get renewed so might as well make anime-original plots/endings to not overtake the manga. I'm not against this practice in all honesty, it's just that holy shit there's waaaay too many misses than hits.
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Okay, so what you need to understand is that an animé adaptation often comes along while the source material [usually a mangá, but light novels also count] is still running, as a form of advertisement more than as an independent product. And most series that are adapted have released more than a year's worth of content and are expected to last longer [there's a reason Kimetsu no Yaiba ending when it did was unexpected, the animé had only just become a success, it wasn't at risk of cancellation and they expected more to come]. However, there just is no guarantee that the show will become a success when it comes out, even if that's what they want or expect. [If your show isn't hitting One Piece or Naruto numbers before halfway during season 1, you aren't going to get a new season.] So in that case, since they'll only have the 26 episodes they paid for, they might as well keep the plot for 20 and write something new for the last 6.

I don't think they're thinking they can write a better story as much as they're thinking 'this is a different medium, and if they wanted the original story, they can read the original we're producing anyway'. After all, this is a product made to sell something else, and not just toys like Transformers - they're trying to tell the kids 'hey, go to the corner store and buy the original magazine these characters came from!'.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
. I swear to God, the 2000s was full of anime adaptations that didn't follow the manga half the time, if that. I don't know why that was, if it was some strange 'aughts experiment or there were a lot of people thinking they could write the story "better" than the original creator. Although I think in most cases, that has everything to do with the manga being unfinished and there was no guarantee they'd get renewed so might as well make anime-original plots/endings to not overtake the manga. I'm not against this practice in all honesty, it's just that holy shit there's waaaay too many misses than hits.
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This should be mandatory watch for anime viewers

I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of times the mangaka/author tells the studio either wrong or misleading bullet points that fucks up the adaption.
 
Another Random said:
Okay, so what you need to understand is that an animé adaptation often comes along while the source material [usually a mangá, but light novels also count] is still running, as a form of advertisement more than as an independent product. And most series that are adapted have released more than a year's worth of content and are expected to last longer [there's a reason Kimetsu no Yaiba ending when it did was unexpected, the animé had only just become a success, it wasn't at risk of cancellation and they expected more to come]. However, there just is no guarantee that the show will become a success when it comes out, even if that's what they want or expect. [If your show isn't hitting One Piece or Naruto numbers before halfway during season 1, you aren't going to get a new season.] So in that case, since they'll only have the 26 episodes they paid for, they might as well keep the plot for 20 and write something new for the last 6.
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For the most part yeah, though monthly series where far more likely to get an anime original ending back in the 2000s-2010s, stuff like the original Hellsing, soul eater, FMA, etc. because monthly manga can be around 2-3 times slower than there weekly counter parts in terms of how many volumes of manga they can make, so even if they waited a few years to greenlight an anime, there's a good chance that there'd be less than half a dozen volumes and cover it in 1 cour.
Nowadays it seems studios are more willing to wait to adapt stuff, (jump seems like it's making each of its manga run for 3.5-4 years before it lets any of them get an anime when it used to be 2-3), adapt already ended up or is close to ending (Dungeon meshi is a recent example iirc it's anime was announced on its second to last or final chapter), or splitting it up between multiple seasons instead of one long run.
 
It's still sometimes pretty egregious when it comes to what's cut out of light novels, just this season there was the case of Your Forma where they had the big brained idea to skip the entire first volume of the books.
 
Atatata said:
there was the case of Your Forma where they had the big brained idea to skip the entire first volume of the books.
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...and out of my list Your Forma goes. I guess I'll just keep watching old things instead of trying anything from this season.

Except Vigilante MHA. That one is good.
 
Imam Shamil said:
As a man with cock and balls (massive btw), is Fruits Basket worth watching?
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2019 remake is closer to the manga plot, but the 2001 anime is comedy gold in a way the remake isn't, and has a superb soundtrack (RIP Okazaki Ritsuko) that the remake can't measure up to. If anything, I'd say to watch the original anime and read the manga.

Don't worry about what seems like gay stuff, it's 100% rug-pull baiting.
 
What are some of the best manga endings? I feel like maybe anime/manga as a whole has a writing competence problem where very few know how to end a show even when it starts fantastically. I recently watched the anime for Pluto and couldnt believe such a brilliant show devolved into that by the end, even though I understand its supposed to pay homage to the original astro boy by becoming increasingly childish I just didnt feel like it was a proper ending at all.
 
Gravityqueen4life said:
The anime was not THAT bad. It just ended before the manga did so alot of stuff never made it in.
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I would actually argue the anime was fantastic, looked and sounded amazing. Needless is kindve a goofy manga anyway its not like the anime only ending was particularly bad for what it was going for. The manga is of course way more fun.
Did anyone ever translate the authors other manga by the way? He had one publishing but I never saw anything of it.
 
vern said:
If you guys had to make a short list of bad anime adaptions based on manga you liked, could you think of any?
Aside from some low hanging fruit (Berserk 2016, every Junji ito anime, etc.) I think it'd list
Black Cat: iirc it was the first shonenshit series I read outside of 4kids/toonami and first one after sorta finding out what Shonen jump was way back when so I do have a small soft spot, and from what I remember, the anime barley followed the manga (and it wasn't a case of them running out of material the anime came out after the manga finished)

Blue Giant: I'll admit this is a good movie, but it pissed me off. They tried to fit 10 volumes worth of manga into one movie and had to cut a lot of good moments from the manga and further character development which just made me wish it was a full series instead, especially with how well the music is and some of the performances when they transition to janky CG to completely experimental animation (I'd might even been satisfied with 2 movies)

lucifer and the biscuit hammer: I swear to god this was a money laundering front for something, if it just had bad animation it could of been somewhat funny like that series the rotoscoped a guy on a tractor, but it was just fucking boring and sapped all the fun out of the original manga.
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One Piece
Blame!
Chainsaw Man (the CGI was ugly)
Kengan Asura
Knights of Sidonia
Bleach (the canon arcs were adapted well but the filler arcs unintentionally hurt the shows cultural staying power)
 
Just wanted to quickly vent my frustrations about Elfen Lied. Everyone on the internet and even irl swear up and down that it's one of the greatest pieces of art ever conceived, but I found it to be utter dog shit. There isn't a single character that is remotely likable and their motivations are really dumb. The only good thing about it is the music. Crazy to me how highly people speak of it
 
Miragestallio said:
Just wanted to quickly vent my frustrations about Elfen Lied. Everyone on the internet and even irl swear up and down that it's one of the greatest pieces of art ever conceived, but I found it to be utter dog shit. There isn't a single character that is remotely likable and their motivations are really dumb. The only good thing about it is the music. Crazy to me how highly people speak of it
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I don't hear people talk about it anymore, but it was a big part of anime discussion back in the day. I don't know if it's not talked about anymore because of change of Internet demographics or that people realized that neither the anime or manga is anything super special.
 
Miragestallio said:
Just wanted to quickly vent my frustrations about Elfen Lied. Everyone on the internet and even irl swear up and down that it's one of the greatest pieces of art ever conceived, but I found it to be utter dog shit. There isn't a single character that is remotely likable and their motivations are really dumb. The only good thing about it is the music. Crazy to me how highly people speak of it
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Elfen Lied is all edge. You've been listening to people's opinions formed when they were edgy teenagers.
 
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Miragestallio said:
Just wanted to quickly vent my frustrations about Elfen Lied.
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It was all the rage back in the day simply because it was 'baby's first edge/gore anime'. I remember watching it and skipping parts of the episodes. Teenagers will always think violent tantrums are deep.


Key the Metal Shitposter said:
What are some of the best manga endings?
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I don't remember any manga right now, but if anime counts: I love the ending of Speed Grapher. It's a weird show with pacing problems, but the ending is something few authors have the balls to pull off.
 
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