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ShitLurker said:
Maybe I'm just dead inside but all of the faggotry of "the most vile thing ever" just makes me sigh. I experienced the eclipse in my late teens, thought it was brutal and instantle found the manga. But it didn't give me fucking PTSD like what the faggot in the video makes it sound like. Also, grandpa seems to get too invested if you ask me.
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normalfags gonna normalfag.
however in their defense anime and mange do hit different, especially if you're only used to mainstream shit (same effect for eurocomics, lot of shit really is slop).
heck I'm a stoic asshole most of the time and the only thing that can get a reaction out of me some degree at this point is mostly animu and other asian media.

HexFag said:
It's crazy that people online can unironically say that Japanese voice actors have zero range when people like her exist. Even roles like Nozawa's role of Goku and all of its derivatives (Bardock, Tullece) have large differences in tone and inflections.
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I finished the Yamato 2199 remake, and wow, it was really cool. It introduced so much new technobabble, like food replicators powered by the Wave Motion Engine, an engine room/special uniform for the Wave Motion crew, and using real physics to explain what was going on, like how Birkeland currents were why they were trapped in the solar flare, or how the Wave Motion Engine runs by expanding and contracting extra dimensions to create mini black holes release large amounts of energy, which allows the ship to fold two points of space together and travel through those two points by entering a higher dimension (M-theory). Of course, there were plenty of really cool starfighters -- I can't say there's one I outright disliked or found boring. I especially liked the Cosmo Seagull and the Alpha jets. Gamilas was also really cool; I'd say they're cooler than Zeon because they have their own marching song, none of their leaders are pathetic losers, they have great military parades, and they have tons of amazing technology and control over different planets across the entire universe. Of all the moments in this show, I'd say the coolest was Episode 18 -- that right there is absolutely hot-blooded stuff, but with spaceships instead of robots and ancient magical technology. God, what a cool show.
 
ShitLurker said:
I know Berserk is one of the most beloved manga out there, but a big part of it's presence in the cultural zeitgeist is that the high from the golden age is one of the highest highs out there, period.
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Big controversial take: I didnt like the first half of golden age. The shit with Boscoigne and the 100 years war was so fucking dull I couldnt stand it aside from probably Zodds intro. I still love Berserk but there are parts of it which are very fucking boring.
ShitLurker said:
Berserk never did become "bad" which also helps keeping it's status high but I find Golden Kamui, Full Metal and Dungeon Meshi better packages since though their high is not as high, they keep a consistent level for the most part though the whole thing.
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Problem with Berserk is that every arc is of a different genre of fiction and every arc has different things it deals with so the tonal consistency is a mess. Miura himself sorta admitted this by saying he wanted to combine Fist of the North Star with Rose of Versailles in Berserk, very admirable but from millennium falcon onwards its not so great devolving into FF tier storytelling.
Space Police said:
Five Star Stories has better art. An especially-skilled Deviantartist could do that.
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Miura was one of the best in texture and lighting, the fact that he did it in black and white is even better. There are berserk panels which are like renaissance paintings from pure lighting and composition work. To say Deviantart fags can do that is a travesty. He took 5 days on some of the double page spreads and some of his inspirations like Gustave Dore took a week or two on a single painting. No, nobody whos even remotely unacquainted with the finer arts can do that.
 
ZMOT said:
normalfags gonna normalfag.
however in their defense anime and mange do hit different, especially if you're only used to mainstream shit (same effect for eurocomics, lot of shit really is slop).
heck I'm a stoic asshole most of the time and the only thing that can get a reaction out of me some degree at this point is mostly animu and other asian media.
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I'm in a similar zone where it's mostly the nips the ones that manage to make me feel feels or disgust and everything in between. Though I won't deny that I pretty much ignore western media at this point so I'm probably missing out and euro comics is purely uncharted territory for me for the most part (Metabarons I read and loved, but that's about it).
ZMOT said:
niggers
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uWp0ns23awM
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Now imagine that whole scene dubbed!
Soi Woh Jak said:
Problem with Berserk is that every arc is of a different genre of fiction and every arc has different things it deals with so the tonal consistency is a mess. Miura himself sorta admitted this by saying he wanted to combine Fist of the North Star with Rose of Versailles in Berserk, very admirable but from millennium falcon onwards its not so great devolving into FF tier storytelling.
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Well that and it's been serialized for more than 30 years. The Miura that was writing demons ravaging and destroying and raping is not the same Miura that was writing about going into uncharted seas and finding mermaids. Like if he went "wow, I was really edgy in my early years" and decided to dial it back. It also did the Song of Ice and Fire thing well before that piece of shit where "EVERYBODY CAN DIE! (but not really)", early Miura would have had Serpico die in a horribly traumatizing way saving Farnesse from something horrible, yet Serpico survived well beyond his arc and... hasn't had anything to do for like a decade, Farnesse became an apprentice, and Isisdro (who I'm amazed became a staple party member based on what tends to happen to people close to Guts) is a sort of comedy relief/innocence.

Basically, after the blood bath that was the eclipse, Miura wasn't really in the mood to kill off secondary characters anymore. Which would be fine if it didn't lead to such savage tonal whiplash, if instead of looking at the eclipse in detail and getting to know all of the members of the hawk, we instead had like a 2 chapter speedrun flashback without going into detail, that it now feels like a fantasy series with some dark undertones where the party is traveling together would not be out of place.
 
ShitLurker said:
Basically, after the blood bath that was the eclipse, Miura wasn't really in the mood to kill off secondary characters anymore. Which would be fine if it didn't lead to such savage tonal whiplash, if instead of looking at the eclipse in detail and getting to know all of the members of the hawk, we instead had like a 2 chapter speedrun flashback without going into detail, that it now feels like a fantasy series with some dark undertones where the party is traveling together would not be out of place.
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The new party is very underwhelming compared to the Band of the Hawk to be perfectly honest. And the edgy stuff in Black swordsman, Lost Children and subsequent chapters is what gives Berserk its identity. Everything else is barely flavour text.
 
ShitLurker said:
Basically, after the blood bath that was the eclipse, Miura wasn't really in the mood to kill off secondary characters anymore. Which would be fine if it didn't lead to such savage tonal whiplash, if instead of looking at the eclipse in detail and getting to know all of the members of the hawk, we instead had like a 2 chapter speedrun flashback without going into detail, that it now feels like a fantasy series with some dark undertones where the party is traveling together would not be out of place.
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Out of all "subvert your expectations" tropes. Unexpectedly killing main characters is the worst, compareble to announcing a magic trick and then cutting off your own arm. Yeah it will shock people but the gains is way lower than the cost.

Miura was smart enough to both imply the band's death and have them be relatively flat.
 
Soi Woh Jak said:
The new party is very underwhelming compared to the Band of the Hawk to be perfectly honest. And the edgy stuff in Black swordsman, Lost Children and subsequent chapters is what gives Berserk its identity. Everything else is barely flavour text.
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Yeah, basically, all of the "solo Guts" content is so savagely different to what comes after that they could be considered different series. It's why I'm harping on how Berserk "coasted" on legacy and art to keep eyes on it even when the bast parts had long past.

wtfNeedSignUp said:
Out of all "subvert your expectations" tropes. Unexpectedly killing main characters is the worst, compareble to announcing a magic trick and then cutting off your own arm. Yeah it will shock people but the gains is way lower than the cost.

Miura was smart enough to both imply the band's death and have them be relatively flat.
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I agree that going full "ANYONE CAN DIE!" will bite you in the ass eventually. But your last phrase kind of lost me, the band of the hawk was very visually killed and they were all beloved. The new party... is alright, but I'm also pretty aware since like 10 years ago that nothing bad will actually happen to any of them till the hypothetical final arc. If you want "ANYBODY CAN DIE!" you have to stick with it, or it's just shock factor for shocks sake.
 
ShitLurker said:
I agree that going full "ANYONE CAN DIE!" will bite you in the ass eventually. But your last phrase kind of lost me, the band of the hawk was very visually killed and they were all beloved. The new party... is alright, but I'm also pretty aware since like 10 years ago that nothing bad will actually happen to any of them till the hypothetical final arc. If you want "ANYBODY CAN DIE!" you have to stick with it, or it's just shock factor for shocks sake.
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They were likable of course, but I don't remember any of them really having an arc or some ongoing plot thread, though it might have been me not remembering since I read the series over a decade ago. Also it's not that killing characters is bad in of itself, but that you need to do it so it has a point while still having a conclusion to that character's arc, else you just wasted the reader's time.

Dragon Ball Z is a good example of good deaths, even if no one remains dead. Events like Frieza killing Krillin, or Goku sacrificing himself to get rid of Cell.
 
ShitLurker said:
But your last phrase kind of lost me, the band of the hawk was very visually killed and they were all beloved.
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No they weren't, every character that died in the Eclipse was a flat background character. They were around just enough to leave enough of an impression on the reader that Guts freaking out over all his comrades being killed by demons landed but they still were flat background characters.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
No they weren't, every character that died in the Eclipse was a flat background character. They were around just enough to leave enough of an impression on the reader that Guts freaking out over all his comrades being killed by demons landed but they still were flat background characters.
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Might be me being a 1997 anime viewer how I got into Berserk. But they were THE character roster for like 20 episodes. Also, I have more appreciation for Judeau or Pippin than Serpico which speaks volumes at how forgettable a character he is even with a shit ton more screen time than the other 2. Farnesse has a bit more going for her but not much. Isidro and Schierke are fine on my book though I still find them being perpetual members of the cast a very big contrast compared to what we got during the black swordsman days. Basically, you don't need much to like a character, but even then, those that have been along for a very long time don't have much more going for them outside of a few exceptions either.
 
Berserk was shit for way longer than it was good, the dip began at chapter 133, and while yeah it still had the occasional cool moment, it was too bogged down the lame cast and the growing lameness of Guts.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
No they weren't, every character that died in the Eclipse was a flat background character.
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They were gimmick characters, fully developed with behavioral gimmicks but side characters who were not the MC. You can remember their names, faces and attitudes without reference which is pretty good indication that they were not flat.
 
@Skyline Bruh how the fuck we got 3 chapters left of Oshi No Ko, and we spent this entire week's chapter with half of it being fanservice with no substance at all and the other half being a filler Eulogy for a character without ever confirming if he's even dead.
 
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