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[Trollblade69]

Is accel world worth watching?

Lolno. It's the same guy responsible for SAO.

 

[Lone MacReady II]

David Production's JoJo's Bizarre Adventure might be the last hurrah in terms of what anime is, thinking about it, but that might just be because JoJo is so stylistic that it actively calls for artistic liberty.

I agree with this, but only regarding the first season and parts of Stardust. The art and creativity (budget) dips with each progressive season imo. Look at these stills from part II,

They're just aesthetic as hell. I really dug the decision to go so hard on unique patterns and color choices. That originality is the reason I started paying attention to the JoJo anime in the first place.

 

[The I Scream Man]

Is accel world worth watching?

Its better than SAO? I thought it was okay

 

[Jormungand]

Am I to understand that The Promised Neverland has the same ending as Steven Universe?

To make a long story short, the manga cops the fuck out with all with complicated morals about if they can trust demons who want to eat them or if Emma saves all everyone close to her while fighting for their very lives.
All the challenges and moral dilemmas are wrapped up in a neat little bow where she and her friend live happily ever after in the human world.

Oh, sure, they tried to make Emma suffer some consequences, like losing her memories, but it doesn't matter in the long run since she already feels a familiar bond with them and continues to be friends like she always has.

The ending was so bad that the anime pretty much gave up and half-assed the second season, somehow making the ending even worse, so much so that everyone working on it regretted making it.

Lowart made two videos about The Promised Neverland and what went terribly wrong with it. Watch them to learn the full story.

 

[Betonhaus]

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

Knights of Sidonia was pretty good overall. Plenty of well executed action, particularly in the movie, and despite the movie feeling a bit rushed due to effectively being an entire season crammed into the cumulative runtime of 9-10 episodes it wrapped up nicely. I could see in the earlier parts where they were most likely producing it for episodic format; there were places where the scenes were clearly cut for commercial breaks in the earlier parts of the movie. The movie additionally benefitted from either proper hand drawn characters rather than CGI.

The mad scientist was an okay secondary antagonist, he had reasonable enough motivations and he was voiced by Dio.
The epilogue, on the other hand, was fucking wild. The giant friendly alien hybrid gets uploaded into a human body so the protagonist can hookup and have a kid with her, while the stem-cell-gender-human-turned-woman hooks up with another woman who has a sex change into a man to that end. u wot m8

 

[(((I am NOT a jew)))]

Arrrggh maties! Been a while. Sorry if this isn't the right place but I'm desperately trying to find a copy of Nicky Larson/City Hunter 2018. Is there anyone who could DM a right place to properly find it?

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Arrrggh maties! Been a while. Sorry if this isn't the right place but I'm desperately trying to find a copy of Nicky Larson/City Hunter 2018. Is there anyone who could DM a right place to properly find it?

Yify has it from what I know of, I'll send you the magnet file once I get on my computer

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Definitely would, all of them

 

[(((I am NOT a jew)))]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but the twist in Gintama of Gin's teacher being an immortal godlike being is really bullshit, hurts a lot of the series ideas, removes conflict from the characters and the kind of shonen shit the show usually laughs at.

I agreed at first. But this is Gintama. Your lack of faith in our god Sorachi will soon be dismissed.
I get it, it's most people's least favorite thing about the series. But thankfully, that twist does eventually lead to the greatest ending of all time.
It's Gintama, just give it time.

Also reading back through some of the pages, you guys are way too fucking critical of modern animation vs the past. I'm not saying I don't miss some of the animation quality of 90s/2000s, but I'm getting really tired of this shit where someone will screencap the greatest panel/shot of an old manga or anime and compare it to a mildly inconvenient inbetween frame they scourged five hours for from some modern show. I'm not saying there isn't an appeal to a good ol' cel-shaded sequence but to act like we haven't had decent animation in years is absurd.
New animation doesn't suck, you guys just got old.

There's an old 4chan meme I used to hate but wish I had on me right now that sums up this exact phenomenon of the old anime fan using a shot from a 2-part OVA to prove their point of them not being a stubborn oldfag.

 

[Hammr2]

while the stem-cell-gender-human-turned-woman hooks up with another woman who has a sex change into a man to that end. u wot m8

It's not that bad for the sake humanity and future generation. With Izana case, I don't think it's that baaaadddd for Yuhata. It's kinda weird because they were love rivals for Tanikaze at first, but they become close friend later on.
Let just appreciate it because scifi convenience and it happens before the tranny menace.

Wait, what? I need a screenshot of that.

Chapter 172, Emma's talking no jutsu to Peter Ratri.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Also reading back through some of the pages, you guys are way too fucking critical of modern animation vs the past. I'm not saying I don't miss some of the animation quality of 90s/2000s, but I'm getting really tired of this shit where someone will screencap the greatest panel/shot of an old manga or anime and compare it to a mildly inconvenient inbetween frame they scourged five hours for from some modern show. I'm not saying there isn't an appeal to a good ol' cel-shaded sequence but to act like we haven't had decent animation in years is absurd.
New animation doesn't suck, you guys just got old.

The degeneration of artistic skill is proportional to the progression in time. It is just simple fact, the causes for it are multifaceted but to deny it happens is just false. This is not just in anime but in manga and everything else as well. It has happened and will always happen, it will get worse till it gets irredeemably bad and people will realise how bad it is after which the cycle will start again. We are the same species which produced Rebecca sugar and Gustave Dore, you tell me how modern art/animation isn't bad across the world.

 

[Hammr2]

The degeneration of artistic skill is proportional to the progression in time. It is just simple fact, the causes for it are multifaceted but to deny it happens is just false. This is not just in anime but in manga and everything else as well. It has happened and will always happen, it will get worse till it gets irredeemably bad and people will realise how bad it is after which the cycle will start again. We are the same species which produced Rebecca sugar and Gustave Dore, you tell me how modern art/animation isn't bad across the world.

I don't think it's fair to comparing a specific art piece to an overall anime - manga series. One got backed by elites and maybe for elites only, meanwhile anime - manga overall are for general audience with cheapest price as possible. And any products are mass produced, they are inevitable being made as cost efficient as possible. Then again, this is anime-manga, they are very much free to read and watch anywhere. Also, a certain painting surely has much different value to average anime-manga.

If possible (funds and capability) and animation pride, I'm sure people would love to achieve delivering better animated scene. The whole cabbage thing and any food scene in anime comes after that.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

To make a long story short, the manga cops the fuck out with all with complicated morals about if they can trust demons who want to eat them or if Emma saves all everyone close to her while fighting for their very lives.
All the challenges and moral dilemmas are wrapped up in a neat little bow where she and her friend live happily ever after in the human world.

Oh, sure, they tried to make Emma suffer some consequences, like losing her memories, but it doesn't matter in the long run since she already feels a familiar bond with them and continues to be friends like she always has.

The ending was so bad that the anime pretty much gave up and half-assed the second season, somehow making the ending even worse, so much so that everyone working on it regretted making it.

Lowart made two videos about The Promised Neverland and what went terribly wrong with it. Watch them to learn the full story.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ISdoNf3Aoo https://youtube.com/watch?v=2kXtZsLg404

I haven't watched the show but it sounds like the usual vegan bullshit of "how would you feel if we raised human cattle?". So the idea is that you are the demon and you should go vegan.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

I don't think it's fair to comparing a specific art piece to an overall anime - manga series. One got backed by elites and maybe for elites only, meanwhile anime - manga overall are for general audience with cheapest price as possible. And any products are mass produced, they are inevitable being made as cost efficient as possible. Then again, this is anime-manga, they are very much free to read and watch anywhere. Also, a certain painting surely has much different value to average anime-manga.

If possible (funds and capability) and animation pride, I'm sure people would love to achieve delivering better animated scene. The whole cabbage thing and any food scene in anime comes after that.

Cost efficient is not really true since they make shit tons from merchandising alone, theyre just cheap bastards. Also it leads to a further feedback mechanism where the artstyle degenerates due to people not learning how to draw proper because they havent had good experience or training, a major side effect caused by skimping out on funding. We saw this in the west where calarts as a style came out of studios being cheap and the universities not teaching proper, the sjwisms associated were used as a shield against criticism proper and now its visibly perceptible in Japan where everything looks so webcomicky and reductive. Ironically enough one of the reasons anime as a genre became so prevalent in Japan in the 80s is cause of the economic boom post WWII reconstruction which allowed companies to invest a ton into superficial shit like anime, it looks like another World War would solve everything everywhere including frivolous shit like anime artstyles. Also dont give me the shit of paintings were done for elites, yes they were funded by monarchs and churches but that doesnt mean a good Berserk or Vagabond panel cannot be sold as artwork, they already do it at art exhibitions dedicated to the manga themselves which are part of company PR. Hell there are auctions dedicated to merch made by mangaka, even Junji Ito has got in on them.

 

[ShitLurker]

Chapter 172, Emma's talking no jutsu to Peter Ratri.

Ah yes, the corona riots! I remember those, only they weren't about corona and there were a lot of tvs and air jordans being "liberated" during them.

I remember a reverse Isekai (fantasy warrior chick ends up in a farm with some guy in modern times) I was readin where suddenly, the isekaid girl gets taken into a bio lab to confirm she isn't a bio hazard, haven't read it since and don't even remember the name of. I do wonder how many mangaka got a bad case of the "CURRENT EVENT" and felt the need to shoehorn it into their manga.

I haven't watched the show but it sounds like the usual vegan bullshit of "how would you feel if we raised human cattle?". So the idea is that you are the demon and you should go vegan.

Yep, subtle as a brick.

 

[Gorillion others]

Ah yes, the corona riots! I remember those, only they weren't about corona and there were a lot of tvs and air jordans being "liberated" during them.

I remember a reverse Isekai (fantasy warrior chick ends up in a farm with some guy in modern times) I was readin where suddenly, the isekaid girl gets taken into a bio lab to confirm she isn't a bio hazard, haven't read it since and don't even remember the name of. I do wonder how many mangaka got a bad case of the "CURRENT EVENT" and felt the need to shoehorn it into their manga.

Yep, subtle as a brick.

Going back to my previous post concerning Emma, she tried to be an apologist to what Peter's ancestor did that got them into such a fucked up arrangement in the first place. That he only betrayed his friends because he thought it would stop the war.

I can't even tell someone just how disgusting that is when you can't be guaranteed if the enemy is going to actually comply, let alone negotiate, and wouldn't you know it, Ratri still ended up paying for it in the end. What he did was the pinnacle of selfishness because HE was sick of the bloodshed. Not that the human race was fighting for their lives against things that were EATING THEM!

 

[Involuntary Celebrity]

Where it ends up isn't even what pissed me off about Promised Neverland. It just felt derivative and manufactured from the outset; it's like Attack on Titan: Babies! Even before they escape it's all a contrived waste of time after the intro bit tricks you into thinking some plot might happen.

 

[Hammr2]

Also dont give me the shit of paintings were done for elites, yes they were funded by monarchs and churches but that doesnt mean a good Berserk or Vagabond panel cannot be sold as artwork, they already do it at art exhibitions dedicated to the manga themselves which are part of company PR. Hell there are auctions dedicated to merch made by mangaka, even Junji Ito has got in on them.

Painting themselves are highly valued beside "art" because they are usually existed in small quantity. Manga panels aren't, Only ones with mangaka signature and probably being made with material having longevity, then those have lots more value.
I said this before, paintings have different values to average anime-manga. Average people can passively interact with anime for a long period, meanwhile painting may just be a piece of decoration to average people. You don't need previous artwork from artist to understand nor interprete their next masterpiece or whatever most of the time.
Current days, I mean you can see artists on xitter get commision from gacha game companies for character arts. Why would they choose to be some wagie animators nor on tight schedule like weekly mangaka.

For other long previous points, I don't disagree with corporate being cheap bastards and lacking training in newer generation of animators. I'm not well versed enough in economy nor anime production to discuss. The whole needing World War to economy boom or recess is quite insane, even that is just a figure of speech.

I find Takehito Inoue and Tetsuo Hara are like few exception, in comparing like myriad of other anime - manga artstyle, especially weekly published ones. The manga even for little me back then always cartoonish, Doraemon, Captain Tsubasa, Houshin Engi, Violinist of Hameln, Devil Devil, +Anima, Shaman King etc.... The only muscular characters manga was Kinnuku to me, beside Dragon Ball that is.

I disagree with comparing CalArts to JP anime situation or at least being simplified as CalArts, because at least there is still distinction in artstyle and art direction for lots of anime - manga.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

I disagree with comparing CalArts to JP anime situation or at least being simplified as CalArts, because at least there is still distinction in artstyle and art direction for lots of anime - manga.

"distinction in artstyle and art direction"

Very distinct but Ill pass.

I find Takehito Inoue and Tetsuo Hara are like few exception, in comparing like myriad of other anime - manga artstyle, especially weekly published ones. The manga even for little me back then always cartoonish, Doraemon, Captain Tsubasa, Houshin Engi, Violinist of Hameln, Devil Devil, +Anima, Shaman King etc.... The only muscular characters manga was Kinnuku to me, beside Dragon Ball that is.

The 70s was filled with Tezuka ripoffs which is why they looked all cartoony. It took Lone wolf and Cub and Fist of the North Star in the late 70s and early 80s to force manga creators to aspire for better art and that led to the golden age in manga art from the early 80s all the way to 2005 2006. From 2005-06 onwards a lot of the bad practices started to crystallize as a result of market saturation with ecchi and shounen harem nonsense, which led to all the characters looking the same. That combined with a shitty industry which hates putting in detail and webcomic niggers invading the space, its no wonder what happened. But almost every artist from the 80s and 90s was fucking great at artwork even if Inoue Hara Miura and the like are at the top of the food chain, even the artwork of people like Shirow and Nightow is very good.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

the isekaid girl gets taken into a bio lab to confirm she isn't a bio hazard

Technically it might be good writing since biologically compatible humans can possibly have some black plague level shit she's already immune to. It pops occasionally in time travel stories.