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[Kari Kamiya]

I don't even know why you are arguing about this.

Dude unironically argues "It's not porn, it's art!" when everyone else agrees it's a work of art that just happens to be pornographic.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

But at the same time, they're right. Australia banned Sword Art Online, Eromanga Sensei, Dragonar Academy, and No Game No Life for sexually exploiting children. New Zealand banned High School DxD and Puni Puni Poemy for the same reason, though the latter has been unbanned.

Both Australia and New Zealand are run by fucking nonces and shouldn't be taken seriously regarding anything. They will ban anything just because it has fucking titties in it. Australians literally want to try to censor the internet. They are the last motherfuckers I would cite in anything ever.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

>eroge autism
Any eroge that actually gets popular has better gameplay than anything made in the last 5 years. The porn typically isn’t the main draw. I’ve been talked into playing a few and usually the game is engaging enough that you really get annoyed by the porn.

I tried finishing Jojolion and god it just feels like Araki tried stealing ideas from Western media and watched Lost. Couldn’t finish it.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

So I watched a little bit of the anime called World Trigger. Starting off it's kinda goofy. Has anyone ever wondered what the show would be like if the protector people said "nigger" instead of "trigger" to summon their weapons?

 

[Registration]

Dude unironically argues "It's not porn, it's art!" when everyone else agrees it's a work of art that just happens to be pornographic.

No, the problem is that the amount of it is negligible to the rest of the game. You dont call last of us 2 an eroge because there are sex scenes. There is a difference. It is the same as any work, you dont call an ecchi manga with 200 pages in total where 8 are boob grabbing and panty sniffing an eromanga because the balance is totally off, you can pick an eromanga of 40 pages where 36 are sex and the other 4 aren't. There is a complete difference between both cases, a simple balance of content.

One eroge game would be Monster Girl Quest or some of the Taimanin ones where the most of the focus is on the sex scenes.

I cant believe there are people in this thread that can't understand such a basic principle.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I cant believe there are people in this thread that can't understand such a basic principle.

Explain the plot-relevance of Rin taking it up the ass, then.

 

[ZMOT]

I guess mass effect and baldur's gate 3 are eroge now...

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

No, the problem is that the amount of it is negligible to the rest of the game. You dont call last of us 2 an eroge because there are sex scenes. There is a difference. It is the same as any work, you dont call an ecchi manga with 200 pages in total where 8 are boob grabbing and panty sniffing an eromanga because the balance is totally off, you can pick an eromanga of 40 pages where 36 are sex and the other 4 aren't. There is a complete difference between both cases, a simple balance of content.

One eroge game would be Monster Girl Quest or some of the Taimanin ones where the most of the focus is on the sex scenes.

I cant believe there are people in this thread that can't understand such a basic principle.

Dude, it's has porn as part ofnit's plot. I'm not even saying it is bad or garbage. Just, by definition, it is an eroge. It's just like how Nekopara is an eroge by default until they got rid of the sex scenes. It's not like MGS2 where there are Japanese gravure models inserted into the game as a Easter egg. It's literally part of the plot, hence an eroge.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Can't quote your post @Sailor Troon, but Velma had a lot of bits sexualizing the high school characters.

There was also the infamous cockroach sex scene, which was there, just because?

Australia banned Sword Art Online, Eromanga Sensei, Dragonar Academy, and No Game No Life for sexually exploiting children. New Zealand banned High School DxD and Puni Puni Poemy for the same reason, though the latter has been unbanned.

And yet Australia allowed a censored version of Cuties, while not even allowing those above at all.

I guess mass effect and baldur's gate 3 are eroge now...

And Neil Druckmann is an eroge game director now too, I guess.

Going back to the topic, compared to Western Animation, how harsh are fans in regards to REALLY bad Anime and Manga series? Was there a massive shitshow to the levels that Velma had when that show came out, as an example? Despite Ex-Arm getting shit on due to the poor animation, I don't remember it getting as much hate as Velma did.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

There was also the infamous cockroach sex scene, which was there, just because?



And yet Australia allowed a censored version of Cuties, while not even allowing those above at all.



And Neil Druckmann is an eroge game director now too, I guess.

Going back to the topic, compared to Western Animation, how harsh are fans in regards to REALLY bad Anime and Manga series? Was there a massive shitshow to the levels that Velma had when that show came out, as an example?

Most shit anime are just laughed at and either are forgotten or become staples of pop culture like Chargeman Ken. I've never seen an anime that is bad in the way Western animation nowadays is bad because I genuinely think the people making said animes actually try to set out making a good one, but fail in all departments sorta like the room. Most Western animations that are terrible don't try to make a good show so much as a propaganda piece or something to inflate the creator's ego.

 

[Registration]

Explain the plot-relevance of Rin taking it up the ass, then.

Simple: you didnt play the game, because you would know that those are breaker gorgon when Rider was taking Shirou mana to heal her via bloodsucking (semen, blood, hair, there are lots of places where you can store mana).

And even to this day, the mana transfer aspect is something viable.

It wasn't even rin at all, and that isn't something new, arcueid sends her familiar to do the same with Shiki in Tsukihime.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Absolute lunacy. JoJo started at out a generic vampire story written by a guy who likes high fashion magazines, but it got whackier as time went on. It's literally in the title.

Fun fact, Dracula was a story about hypersexuality and rape cause vampirism and the act of sucking blood was considered a rape allegory in the late 1800s. Most vampire fiction have always explored hypersexual themes and homoerotic stuff, from the minor to the utterly batshit insane sexploitation shit the Italians did. Yes Phantom Blood and the first few parts are not hyper sexual but Jojo definitely has more gay undertones than actual gay people at times especially with the costumes, character designs, all the pose nonsense and other stuff. Its almost like watching a Drag show at times and I dont want to watch Drag shows. Id rather watch Bara, thats more manly even if its still gay. Even if Jojo is """inspired""" by Fist of the North star like most Shounen of the time, I highly highly doubt it was cause Fist of the North star was more about fighting and martial arts less about stillettos and purple wigs.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

No, retard. Calling fate/ a porn game is to call every movie with sex scenes a pornographic movie. You get 1 hour of sex scenes of 80 hours of the normal content of the game.

The problem is that anglos/americans as usual have their skewered vision of nudity, tilitation and sex as something bad because they have their origins as insane christian retards when the rest of the world treats with normality the human body and actions like sex.

That would be weird and all, but americans in particular are even weirder because they are fine with blood, violence and guts but shy away from even showing nipples in painting without censoring. And then, they think the world is wrong and they are right for some reason.

Tl:dr ignore american and anglos takes on anything about nudity/sex/tilitation, they are weird.

The USA stance on sexuality was always bizarre. Basically you can show a guy getting disemboweled on screen and it's PG-13, but a single tit is adults only. You can have children talking about sexuality on Sitcoms but not actually acting on their horniness in normal child like curiosity (like peeping). It's not a real surprise why a good chunk of the USA society devolved into coomers, groomers and "live my idealistic childhood through my children".

 

[(((I am NOT a jew)))]

A little late to all this but I really am getting tired of the whole fanservice shit. I'm going to try to be as unexceptional as possible (at least is possible for a dude talking about 2d chink tiddies) but I'm a little tired of the whole argument for anime being for pedophiles. Are there are a giant section of nunces into it? Absolutely. Could the majority of people making manga be considered to be in that camp? Sure, if you want to stretch it to be that way.
So you're saying a grown man who is attracted to any of these:

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or even just find their design cute or aesthetically pleasing...


are in the same camp as people who want to fuck this:

I feel like there's a major stretch here where finding characters attractive who are obviously designed to look attractive is being conflated with "Damn she looks 10".

Maybe I'm just being a degenerate coomer here. I know this is Kiwifarms where you're not supposed to enjoy anything and all fun is degenerate woke propaganda but come on.

Sailor Troon​

I'm going to sound a bit passive aggressive here. But if the fanservice of younger characters is a nono for you, you probably aren't going to have a fun time with most anime. Just accept is as a weird japanese aesthetic thing and don't fuck kids and you''ll be fine.

 

[Hammr2]

No, retard. Fate was released as an CERO Z game, not an eroge,

Cope.
Cero Z is 18+ and explain me this.


Can you please posting images in thumbnail or at least resize them, so they don't cover for entire screen.

No, the problem is that the amount of it is negligible to the rest of the game. You dont call last of us 2 an eroge because there are sex scenes. There is a difference. It is the same as any work, you dont call an ecchi manga with 200 pages in total where 8 are boob grabbing and panty sniffing an eromanga because the balance is totally off, you can pick an eromanga of 40 pages where 36 are sex and the other 4 aren't. There is a complete difference between both cases, a simple balance of content.

One eroge game would be Monster Girl Quest or some of the Taimanin ones where the most of the focus is on the sex scenes.

You really want to go for this.
By Japanese definition, having explicit and descriptive sex scenes is ero. Of course, by eroge, they mean their own Japanese games not Western games. Doesn't matter about amount of sex contents proportion to whole game.

Now, Taimanin is an eroge but more specifically a nukige, where the main plot and reason are for masturbation. Same for why Ecchi, it means whatever reasons to have anime girls breasts-butts-nudity showing off lots of the time.

Simple: you didnt play the game, because you would know that those are breaker gorgon when Rider was taking Shirou mana to heal her via bloodsucking (semen, blood, hair, there are lots of places where you can store mana).

And even to this day, the mana transfer aspect is something viable.

It wasn't even rin at all, and that isn't something new, arcueid sends her familiar to do the same with Shiki in Tsukihime.

This sounds as cope as like Hedious Kojimbo reason for Quiet's outfit because "she breathes through her skin". Please, be honest like Yoko Taro.
Sooo reasonable and convenient thing for only Shirou eh? But not other masters. Just because there's an lore explanation, doesn't mean it isn't an excuse for "not actually horny".

Remember the whole changing sex for both Shirou and Saber, just because having player character as female and Saber as male weren't really fit for gamers (male) at that time (90s).

I guess mass effect and baldur's gate 3 are eroge now...

It depends on how explicit and descriptive on sex acts are, especially if there are genitals shown in the act. Eroge are always like this.
Implication (before-after sex, hands holding - hugging tightly), upper body nudity or half naked and fade to black, those don't really count, like Bioware games.
I can't say for BG3, because I don't care enough and I don't wanna know.

Like how movie Fate Heaven's Feel 2 (Shirou and Sakura) and Goblin Slayer thing don't really count as H scenes.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Going back to the topic, compared to Western Animation, how harsh are fans in regards to REALLY bad Anime and Manga series? Was there a massive shitshow to the levels that Velma had when that show came out, as an example?

I think the closes you will get to a truly harsh response to an anime was people's response to the 3D Berserk tv show. That was so bad, and it offended a lot of people because Berserk is one of those manga that really needs a good adaptation.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Fate is as Eroge as Oppenheimer is a porn film. In an Eroge a good chunk of CGs is fanservice based.

Like even a similar VN like Baldr sky, that is heavily plot based and officially an eroge you will be hard pressed to cut the porn without heavily changing the events (especially as one chapter is based entirely in a whorehouse). While in Fate you barely notice removal of those scenes and they existed more to draw in audience than a focus.

 

[Hammr2]

Fate is as Eroge as Oppenheimer is a porn film. In an Eroge a good chunk of CGs is fanservice based.

Like even a similar VN like Baldr sky, that is heavily plot based and officially an eroge you will be hard pressed to cut the porn without heavily changing the events (especially as one chapter is based entirely in a whorehouse). While in Fate you barely notice removal of those scenes and they existed more to draw in audience than a focus.

Not my words, but by Registration, it's clearly plot important because mana transfer beside sexual pleasure. Just like how Saber is needed more mana after horrible first fight against Berserker.
Also Shirou has Avalon inside him, which makes him having plentiful of mana or magical power and guarantees him summoning Saber.

Edit:
Just because Fate being eroge, doesn't mean I'm degrading entire its story telling and universe being some kind of trash and only for jerking off. Like Tsukihime if I remember correctly, few people here sad it isn't as popular like Fate.

Even if Fate itself has SFW versions for younger audience, doesn't mean it stops being an eroge. Like bunch of eroge released on Steam with sex contents removed, but hey go downloading 18+ patch to restore them back.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Not my words, but by Registration, it's clearly plot important because mana transfer beside sexual pleasure. Just like how Saber is needed more mana after horrible first fight against Berserker.
Also Shirou has Avalon inside him, which makes him having plentiful of mana or magical power and guarantees him summoning Saber.

It's justified by plot. But you can just have another way to transfer mana besides sticking your rod inside another person and nothing really changes.
Like Oppenheimer could just read the quote in a library rather than read it aloud while fucking a commie.

 

[vern]

Going back to the topic, compared to Western Animation, how harsh are fans in regards to REALLY bad Anime and Manga series? Was there a massive shitshow to the levels that Velma had when that show came out, as an example? Despite Ex-Arm getting shit on due to the poor animation, I don't remember it getting as much hate as Velma did.

I vaguely recall something about the CSM director pissing of fans with some comments about not wanting to make it like an anime and being bit of an ass on twitter but not 100% sure on that one.
Manga wise I remember a series called Noah's Note where before the author was shit talking another Jump series (think it was Medaka Box) and how he could write a much better series if given a chance. It got axed in 23 chapters so japs didn't let him live that down for awhile.
There was also a series call Time Paradox Ghostwriter that really pissed off nips, story was something about a failed manga gets a time machine that gives him copies of jump from 10 years in the future and he copies the newest megahit in the series and passes it as his own as is somehow portrayed as a good thing because in doing so he's saving the life of author he's stealing from. It was bad enough it got axed in 14 chapters which is quite fast even for a U19 member.