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Human Institute Director said:
These "woke"/preaching types never seem to be into otaku culture in the first place. And by otaku I don't mean the coomer stuff, I mean all the content made during the golden age. I doubt any of them would feel nostalgic watching something like:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=cepXLReu1aU
Call me paranoid but I wouldn't be surprised to see they're doing to anime the same they did to vidya. Trying to be into "high art" anime, wanting anime to "grow up", to appeal to the West and all that.
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Here's something to consider; most American pop culture changes due to next generations forming new trends and present ones age like milk or diet soda. I believe the West shoots themselves in foot for ever indoctrinating the concept of a microagression, they would look at something miniscule or insignificant to be offended by regardless of intentions that will bite them in the ass later. Whose to say the next generation won't be offended by today's stuff? They've already turned on JK Rowling whose to say others will be next? Trying to make that stuff high art is like turning video game play reviews formal news, look how that turned for G4.
 
Commander X said:
Saw this take being passed around by people saying "REAL ANIME FANS NEVER SUPPORT OR SUPPORTED PIRACY", and disregarding that it's a Twitter post from a grifting lolcow I have absolutely no use for, he actually isn't wrong. I don't like it when those sorts of people put me into a situation where I actually have to "hand it to" an lolcow.

Anime would barely exist in the West at all if not for piracy. Once upon a time if you wanted something that wasn't Akira, a title released via an outfit like Streamline Pictures, something chopped up like "Robotech" or something some Westerner who had some money took an interest in, it was basically all bootlegged. People tell tales of the olden times, when they'd come across tapes of anime in Hawaii, that had been passed about with painstakingly prepared fansubs, or copies of untranslated manga they couldn't understand but enjoyed anyways.

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From the source of this particular finger-pointing "ANIME PIRACY!!!" spasm, a gimmick account on Twitter that must be run by some buckbroken Western industry insider like a "translator", since whoever they are they're huge proponents of “Western localization”...

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If you pirate a manga that hasn’t had an official English release in 30 years you are taking food out of Shonen Jump executives' mouths!
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I can't tell if you're for or against piracy, your post is all over the place.

I would totally support the official release without hesitation if only it was readily available and was not fucked with. This is unfortunately hardly ever the case for the vast majority of anime and manga I like, so I have to make do with what I can get my hands on, which is usually digital in nature. Even so, a good majority of physical media I own is secondhand, so does that mean I'm taking food out of the mouths of these executives and creators? Lol no, they already made their money, and buying secondhand copies are the remnants of tape-swapping of years past.

And certainly it's better than piracy, but I've seen people crying about that too. It's never good enough for them. Just make shit available for a decent price if you want my money so badly or fuck off.
 
Honestly I support the official release if it's available and it doesn't cost much, and I get why Japanese creators are against piracy since its their work. However, the reason why piracy is so rampant is because there isn't many official releases in other languages or the services they are hosted on suck.

Crunchyroll for instance morally grandstands how they are saving the industry yet they started out as a piracy site, don't give money to official creators, and treat their workers (both translators/localizers and voice actors) like shit. All for a service that has a shitty video player which are much better on other piracy websites and put all that money into shilling themselves along with crappy awards shows.
 
(((I am NOT a jew))) said:
That's one of the worst elements of the show. The shield is just a little too op after a while that you wonder why he doesn't use certain abilities he absolutely could in most circumstances.
My only real gripe with the show and when I feel it gets too "power-fantasy" is how the other 3 heroes are made just to be walking jokes and get no real development. Overall really good though.

I'll be honest and say there's almost no new anime I plan to watch this year. At best I'll watch AoT and Jujutsu Kaisen.

Oh, I just need to bring up how retarded I think the Armin/Annie ship is. Why did they have to do that? I know the whole point of the show is everyone is multifaceted and there are no "good people" but jesus Armin. She's never apologized for trying to kill most of your crew. I really am getting tired of every anime having to have everyone be overly empathetic to the point they excuse any actions of other characters.
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Yeah, like there's times he should use the rage power but doesn't. I kinda hate how they handle that power actually, he only really got good use out of it against the Pope. It was worthless against Glass and every other times he just got hugged out of it before he could do cool shit. Just let him wreck shit already. As for the other 3 heroes, I'm kinda glad they finally took a backseat after hounding Naofumi through most of season 1.

I finished the whole series already now. I see why people didn't like the second season as much. The tortoise part felt weirdly paced, and the final battle was a bore (fights are usually kinda shit in general). I'll be watching Jujutsu Kaisen too, that was another that pulled me in when I watched it. Don't get me started on how retarded AoT gets though. I'm getting a headache just thinking about it.

But I gotta complain most about the final episode of Shield Hero. It was basically filler, a real waste for such a short season. And on top of that it was literally just a super horny episode, which the series mostly avoids otherwise. I couldn't believe they lingered on a detailed close-up shot of Raphtalia's panties in her young form. That's when I remembered I was watching anime.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
I would totally support the official release without hesitation if only it was readily available and was not fucked with.
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Same here. I haven't pirated a videogame in ages because services like steam and gamepass make it way easier to buy whatever I need than to pirate it while with anime there's inevitably stuff scattered across various different streaming services and potentially it's going to be blocked off from me anyway because I'm not in the US, and this is setting aside the potential localisation clusterfucks out there.

Would it even be possible for the industry to fix this problem? Probably not. Do I feel bad for not supporting a niche industry that I've been enjoying for over a decade? Yeah kinda. But if I have to pay money for an inferior service why wouldn't I just set up an automatic RSS feed connected to subsplease that will give me a better experience for free?
 
Vapewizard said:
Same here. I haven't pirated a videogame in ages because services like steam and gamepass make it way easier to buy whatever I need than to pirate it while with anime there's inevitably stuff scattered across various different streaming services and potentially it's going to be blocked off from me anyway because I'm not in the US, and this is setting aside the potential localisation clusterfucks out there.

Would it even be possible for the industry to fix this problem? Probably not. Do I feel bad for not supporting a niche industry that I've been enjoying for over a decade? Yeah kinda. But if I have to pay money for an inferior service why wouldn't I just set up an automatic RSS feed connected to subsplease that will give me a better experience for free?
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You could always buy some merch instead of acting like it's too hard to support something you care about. I agree that piracy is the only reason anime and manga have any American traction to speak of, but if you're an adult making some money, you can always buy merch. Hell, buy the blue ray disks of shows you like, that will help exponentially more than five years of crunchyroll ever could.
 
I usually just pirate stuff as the season runs and then buy the blu rays once they release. I stopped buying Funimation releases new in 2019 after the Vic thing though, those I've been buying used and that's the vast majority of stuff I watch

Haven't bought any manga in a long time, I think the final volume of Soul Eater was the last one I bought, or maybe the FLCL omnibus, whichever came out last, those were definitely the last two series I bought. I do pay for the Viz/Shonen Jump thing though, pretty much everything I want to read is available there. It was a steal at $1.99 a month, still a great value at $2.99 now

I've also been enjoying light novels for the last few years. I think exclusively isekai stuff lol, not intentionally but I guess that's the most common LN adaptation right now. Shield Hero, KonoSuba, So I'm a Spider, re Zero, that's all I can think of that I've bought and yup, all isekai.
 
Fount of BadSpeak said:
Log Horizon is such an overrated pile of crap, oh my god. I got to episode 13 and I am just about done given that the best thing to happen so far was Nyanta, the fujoshi furry bait character. I'd heard so many things about this show being smart, or different, or unique, but it's babby's first .hack sign with worse writing. I don't really mind trope ridden, badly written isekai when it realizes what it is and just tries to have fun, but this show wants you to take it seriously even though it doesn't take itself seriously.

It'll set up really interesting plot points, then completely ignore the consequences of them or pretend it didn't happen, or it'll reference traumas and past events that are totally unearned, if not downright nonsensical. Am I really supposed to believe you've got some sort of deep set trauma from a fucking MMO? Seriously? At least in Overlord, the writer was smart enough to present Ains as being an autistic, no friends weirdo who took the game way too seriously compared to everyone else, but Log Horizon wants me to think every main and secondary character lived and breathed this game and took all their relationships in it as serious as their closest IRL ones. Even to the point that people are still role playing in literal Purgatory.
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The only thing I remember about the show was them Jewing up and buying the entire property rights of a city before people realized they need a place to live. It was kinda smart but in the end I just didn't care enough about the plot, which seemed to settle into "what would logically happen if people got stuck in a VR game" to keep up with it.
 
I've only seen the first few episodes of Log Horizon and I really like the premise of those where they're trying to get from one city to another without fast travel. How long does that aspect hold out? I got annoyed with the show pausing to explain the basics of how MMOs work every couple of minutes so I didn't get too far before I got distracted by less annoying shows

I can't possibly imagine it doing well but I've always wanted a travel focused mmo where you basically had to move in real time, with the caveat that your character could travel on their own even without your input, maybe have trains, ships, airships, etc that you could ride that only departed a few times a day. Basically making your decisions of where you want to quest/dungeon impactful. That was probably my favorite part of WoW classic when it rereleased, getting places was an investment, no dungeon teleport, no summoning stones, no five hearthstones with 15-30 minute cooldowns, no book to teach you every flight path. Just getting a mount felt like a massive character milestone
 
Human Institute Director said:
Call me paranoid but I wouldn't be surprised to see they're doing to anime the same they did to vidya. Trying to be into "high art" anime, wanting anime to "grow up", to appeal to the West and all that.
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That's been the entire shtick of Anime News Network for many years now. Best example is the now-deceased Zac Bertschy, one of the most pretentious faggots (he literally was, he let his girlfriend troon out) out there who also did a shitty blog he'd spam on 4chan called Colony Drop. This circle jerk clique has their fingers in everything related to anime/manga/LNs/VNs in the West, from all the faggy localizers and translaters to companies like CrunchyRoll and Discotek. Their idea of "high art" anime is usually random stuff from the 80s/90s like Evangelion and Revolutionary Girl Utena. They have a seething hatred for moe anime because it's the opposite of "high art" since it's all based on marketing cuteness.
 
melty said:
I watched the 2019 Broly movie finally and damn, it's the best Dragon Ball movie I've seen.
10/10, I wish I had seen it in theatres, I was taking a break from DBS after some mediocre filler but this movie and the Universe Survival arc are peak Dragon Ball.
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I Remember watching the film in IMAX on opening night. It was amazing and it was filled with DBZ fans. I remember before the movie started there was a loud argument between two fans over a seat in the front row. There was no other seats free since it was packed. I was sitting on the top row and I could hear them fighting. I remember one fan stood up and yelled to them from a distance and said "GO SUPER SAIYAN ON HIS ASS" The whole theater was laughing. Memorable night.
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
Is Call of the Night good?

I'm gonna re-read some 19-20th century philosophy and I want something comfy to avoid getting depressed by a German incel with an inferiority complex and mother issues. Jitsu wa Watashi is something with a bit of a similar premise, but more of a Rom Com ( I want the fucking college epilogue).
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Yes. Its fucking great. Give it a watch! Im upset that Dagashi Kashi isnt continuing and is never going to get a Season 3 but at least the creator made Call Of The Night and its almost as good. It's one of the most beautiful looking animes I've ever seen. The maid cafe episode gotta be my favorite.
 
PS1gamenwatch said:
A few days late but
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eosPHXiNLUkAnother Aquarion called Myth of Emotions
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Was the third Aquarion show they did a few years back any good? EVOL was nothing but a hollow shell of the original (which is a classic) with a forgettable cast, some insultingly bad reveals that directly contradict the original, and had only a few episodes with the hilarious and irreverent spirit of the original.
 
Save the Loli said:
Their idea of "high art" anime is usually random stuff from the 80s/90s like Evangelion and Revolutionary Girl Utena. They have a seething hatred for moe anime because it's the opposite of "high art" since it's all based on marketing cuteness.
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These two combined are always a huge red flag to me. Usually focusing more on form than substance, even though a "moe" (whatever it's supposed to mean, anyway) styled show can have a lot of meaning and a "sophisticated" looking one can be vapid shit. These are the types of people that will rate something on the account of a "high art" theme being there, like WAR BAD or some kind of social commentary, regardless of whether it's actually done right or good.
Reminds me of that 3x3 picture.
 
Save the Loli said:
Their idea of "high art" anime is usually random stuff from the 80s/90s like Evangelion and Revolutionary Girl Utena.
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You need to be especially brain dead to find the two deep and artistic. Eva has more fan service than most shows, the whole religious reference are just thrown together and it never really goes beyond "muh depression" in characterization.t Uena is just coom brain "hey we took story roles and switched it around" as well as ton of soap opera bullshit.

Fucking Made in Abyss and Dungeon Meshi are deeper than those two. Probably the smartest show I can think about on the moment (besides LoGH, which of course never talked about by those faggots) is C: The Money of Soul.

Edit: Just to summarize the two anime in a sentence:
Eva: "Porcupine principal".
Utena: "What if the princess saved the witch from the prince?"
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
You need to be especially brain dead to find the two deep and artistic. Eva has more fan service than most shows, the whole religious reference are just thrown together and it never really goes beyond "muh depression" in characterization.t Uena is just coom brain "hey we took story roles and switched it around" as well as ton of soap opera bullshit.

Fucking Made in Abyss and Dungeon Meshi are deeper than those two. Probably the smartest show I can think about on the moment (besides LoGH, which of course never talked about by those faggots) is C: The Money of Soul.

Edit: Just to summarize the two anime in a sentence:
Eva: "Porcupine principal".
Utena: "What if the princess saved the witch from the prince?"
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You're totally right about Eva and these people having terrible taste, but it isn't like C is any different since it's just a generic battle shounen where they named the attacks from an economics 101 textbook and there's some half-baked plot that amounts to "hey turning on the money printer over and over again is bad." At least it tried though, so much wasted potential.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Eva has more fan service than most shows, the whole religious reference are just thrown together and it never really goes beyond "muh depression" in characterization
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Yeah but the visuals look kinda sophisticated. So therefore the fanservice isn't fanservice, it's actually deep social commentary.
Depression is the peak of characterization. If you make a character depressed, he's literally me and it's the apex of writing. People who don't like it are just braindead shonen fans who want fighting.

What's that? The worldbuilding make the depression stuff seem unrealistic and silly because immediate world ending threats should take precedence over it? The pilots should be getting the best psychological care and comfort money can buy? Yeah no, how about generic school, bullying and depression subplots instead?

If Eva teaches anything, it's that appearing smart is much more important than being smart.
 
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