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Oddjob OTP said:
I watch a lot of shitty isekai and I had the exact opposite reaction. The first episode is basically MC abusing his knowledge of treasure locations from the game he got reincarnated in to get a bunch of money (and an AI driven Space Ship) to go to Mecha Hogwarts. Any time someone tries to do an apparently straight battle-shonen about a protagonist abusing special knowledge about a video game my red flags are triggered. And god does the designs of the mecha part of the setting look awful. I'll watch a few episodes to see if maybe the characters redeem it but I'm guessing they won't.

As far as shitty isekai go, I'm more betting that Executioner and Her Way of Life will be better, since it at least subverts the genre a little by being about a priest-assassin from an order that ganks isekai protagonists for having fucked up bullshit powers that destabilize the world. Which is a fun idea at least, although the battle part seems a little uninspired.

Oh, and as far as the Subs vs. Dubs thing the only dubs I consider clearly better then the sub is Bastard!!, holy shit does Dark Schneider's VA do a great job hamming it up.
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Mob kinda tries to be two different types of isekai at once and knowing where it goes kinda fails at both.
The first is the usual power fantasy we all know and hate and the other is a offshoot people either call otome or villainesses isekai, which is just MC (usually female) getting sucked into a otome game and 9 times out of 10 being the rival character who dies in the game. There's a shit load of manga and LN that follows this exact same premise but iirc there's maybe 2 or 3 anime adaptations, so probably expect them to shit up the seasonal chart in a few years.
 
King Dead said:
To add onto this, one thing that can be confusing to newcomers is that there are a lot of alternate Gundam timelines. So while there are a bunch of different series with Gundams in them, a fair chunk have nothing to do with each other, so you might get lost as to what goes where. But as you said, it's easier than it looks.

You can pretty much break it down into two categories: Universal Century and Everything Else. UC's the most fleshed-out timeline, it's what started the whole shebang, and Sunrise keeps coming back to it with new projects because it's the most well-known. But if you don't want to get sucked into watching a bunch of shows, picking up an alternate timeline works well. You can get a nice self-contained story in a single series (sometimes with a sequel) and not have to deal with years of backstory. Just don't jump into Turn A Gundam right away, save that for later.

And then there's Gunpla, which is a whole other can of worms. I'm starting to run out of shelf space and I still went and bought a Wing Gundam RG. Send help.
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Huh, I've not watched Gundam since I was a kid (only saw Wing all the way through) and I assumed every series was a separate timeline entirely.
 
vern said:
Mob kinda tries to be two different types of isekai at once and knowing where it goes kinda fails at both.
The first is the usual power fantasy we all know and hate and the other is a offshoot people either call otome or villainesses isekai, which is just MC (usually female) getting sucked into a otome game and 9 times out of 10 being the rival character who dies in the game. There's a shit load of manga and LN that follows this exact same premise but iirc there's maybe 2 or 3 anime adaptations, so probably expect them to shit up the seasonal chart in a few years.
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From what I remember, so far both "I'm the Villianess, so I'm Taming the Final Boss" and "Endo and Kobayashi's Live Commentary on the Villianess" are getting anime adaptions.

Its interesting how "Villianess Isekai" lead into just "Villianess" stories though.
 
Vapewizard said:
My take on older anime is that for me personally it tends to have a higher barrier of entry in some aspects. Seasonal anime is readily available cause I can just download the crunchyroll rips via my RSS feed of Subsplease on the same day it's aired, and the process of finding stuff that may interest me is also a matter of checking out Anichart and looking through summaries and tags.

If I want to watch something older I'd have to beg for recs or dig deeper through anime encyclopedia websites and if it's something more obscure I'd have to pray that some fansub group cared about it and they're hosting their own download if it's unseeded on nyaa.si. It also doesn't help that a lot of the older anime that people talk about is just stuff that doesn't interest me like gory OVAs or harem romcoms.

Though that said I'd be interested in starting a deep dive into Gundam at some point, which I'm assuming is more accessible considering it's a legacy franchise, but I'm rather intimidated by the sheer size of its anime lineup at this point.
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For starters everyone should watch at least Cowboy Bebop and the original Evangelion TV series or be shown the door, it should be required by law if you're going to call yourself a weeb.

Both are only 26 episodes (though both have movie/movies of course) and both are readily available legally, you can buy Bebop at Target.

In addition to that I feel like everyone should also watch Azumanga and Baccano! to get at least some 2000s exposure, although sadly I believe Azumanga is out of print, no clue about Baccano! but neither of these are going to be hard for anyone to watch if you've seen any anime at all.

I'm not saying every weeb's focus absolutely has to be on old stuff (though it should be lol) but at least watch a few things older than 2010, not just well known classics but some obscure stuff too, at least show some interest, the idea of people just ignoring all of it in favor of the latest flavor of the month is mind boggling.



Puff said:
Funnily enough Death Note is the first thing I ever watched subbed.
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First series I watch subbed (and fansubbed to boot) was the underrated Princess Resurrection.

Kari Kamiya said:
Comedic dubs are so hard to pull off, but they hit hard when it's good as those two dubs proved (God, I'm sad Dan Lorge long retired, I love him as Zenigata). Azumanga Daioh was already mentioned, but good Lord I just cannot make myself watch it subbed. The clips on YouTube are good, but ADV did such an amazing job.

This is probably the best dub scene ever, though.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=paUk6o012Rk
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Sadly I actually haven't seen Azumanga dubbed yet, I should do that next time I watch it.
 
Personally, I think its worth watching at least a bit of Gundam and other mech shows, like the original series of Evangelion, Eureka Seven, etc.
Satoshi Kon is also something I'd consider mandatory.
Personally as far as 2000/10's go, Haruhi Suzumiya, as memed to death as it was, is a good choice. Though, maybe that's because it was one of the first more "niche" anime I watched when I was young.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Comedic dubs are so hard to pull off, but they hit hard when it's good as those two dubs proved (God, I'm sad Dan Lorge long retired, I love him as Zenigata). Azumanga Daioh was already mentioned, but good Lord I just cannot make myself watch it subbed. The clips on YouTube are good, but ADV did such an amazing job.

This is probably the best dub scene ever, though.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=paUk6o012Rk
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Texan Osaka is great and all, but I simply cannot imagine Osaka's voice as anything but the sub one. It like the actor was born to voice this lovable idiot.
 
King Dead said:
And then there's Gunpla, which is a whole other can of worms. I'm starting to run out of shelf space and I still went and bought a Wing Gundam RG. Send help.
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Waiting for that P-Bandai F90 and Astrea F to arrive and fill a corner that's already too full of plastic, myself.

Anyways as far as trying Gundam goes I'd say the best routes either you try a sample platter of UC with the 0079 movie trilogy and 0080 and 0083(I can't stand 08th these days); or you try a sample platter of the AUs like a few episodes of X, or Wing, or 00 or IBO, see what tickles your fancy and go from there.
I love everything and rewatch the entire franchise every number of years so I have my weird biases thanks to that.
 
Puff said:
Huh, I've not watched Gundam since I was a kid (only saw Wing all the way through) and I assumed every series was a separate timeline entirely.
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It's roughly 50/50 UC/not-UC (don't quote me on the numbers, I'm not gonna do the math). The Gundam wiki has a good rundown of the timelines and what series/OVAs/movies belong to each one. Almost all of the non-UC timelines have only a single series to them, though there are exceptions, like Cosmic Era with SEED and SEED Destiny.

Basically, if you want a big plot spanning a bunch of different shows and movies to dig into, go with UC. If you want a shorter story that isn't going to be so demanding of your time, choose an alternate timeline. I still think the core UC lineup (MSG -> Zeta -> ZZ -> CCA) is the best way to start getting into Gundam, but I don't think there's anything wrong with starting with a different series. Tons of American kids got their start with Wing, after all.
 
Traincake said:
Also, voice acting in Japan, as far as I know, isn't as much of an incestuous, disgusting circlejerk as western voice acting. Granted, it could be as bad, but considering the amount of rape accusations, "woke", and general scumminess of many, at least the Japan try to have some standards of conduct.
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They mostly keep the sleaze under wraps, but every now and then you'll hear about a former VA complaining about conditions, mentioning casting couches, and saying that most of the other VAs are jerks. It's really hard to tell what's true or not, like I swear I heard that Takehito Koyasu is supposedly the Chris Sabat of Japan and likes to sleep with younger female VAs to get them into the industry.
King Dead said:
To add onto this, one thing that can be confusing to newcomers is that there are a lot of alternate Gundam timelines. So while there are a bunch of different series with Gundams in them, a fair chunk have nothing to do with each other, so you might get lost as to what goes where. But as you said, it's easier than it looks.

You can pretty much break it down into two categories: Universal Century and Everything Else. UC's the most fleshed-out timeline, it's what started the whole shebang, and Sunrise keeps coming back to it with new projects because it's the most well-known. But if you don't want to get sucked into watching a bunch of shows, picking up an alternate timeline works well. You can get a nice self-contained story in a single series (sometimes with a sequel) and not have to deal with years of backstory. Just don't jump into Turn A Gundam right away, save that for later.

And then there's Gunpla, which is a whole other can of worms. I'm starting to run out of shelf space and I still went and bought a Wing Gundam RG. Send help.
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I know it's a bit of a meme sometimes, but for Gundam I honestly think watching the entire franchise in production order is the way to go. Only things worth skipping would be ZZ (it has good moments but probably isn't for everyone) and Wing (it's pretentious, and rips off better Gundam shows).
 
Save the Loli said:
It's really hard to tell what's true or not, like I swear I heard that Takehito Koyasu is supposedly the Chris Sabat of Japan and likes to sleep with younger female VAs to get them into the industry.
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This is simultaneously almost hard to believe and completely believable given the amount of gay/yaoi boys he's played.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
This is simultaneously almost hard to believe and completely believable given the amount of gay/yaoi boys he's played.
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its always the gay looking guy that is the horn dog of the industry in japan. they have a legion of fangirls that will protect and do damage control for them.
 
Save the Loli said:
I know it's a bit of a meme sometimes, but for Gundam I honestly think watching the entire franchise in production order is the way to go. Only things worth skipping would be ZZ (it has good moments but probably isn't for everyone) and Wing (it's pretentious, and rips off better Gundam shows).
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That's my general philosophy for most long-running series, production order instead of chronological. Prequels are developed with the originals in mind just like sequels, after all, so they're often better enjoyed when you've already seen the original and can understand the references. Like I wouldn't recommend watching Gundam: The Origin before you'd seen the original MSG, for example.
 
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