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[Raoul_Duke]

FMA is one of those 'classic' ones. Though I hate to be the fucker that starts the 'sub vs. dub' debate, but I honestly can't stand dubs. FMA does have a good English dub, but it is the exception to the rule. Cowboy Bebop also has (arguably) the best dub in anime. Some would argue superior to the sub, and its hard for me to disagree.

I'd just recommend (unless you have a legitimate disability) to try and get used to subs. This is also because dubs in a lot of anime have a tendency to change the script for the worse. I've basically put dubs with subtitles on sometimes and its like I'm watching two different shows at the same time.

That's fine. Like I said, you're going to have to think on what you generally do like in your stories and go from there. People say its easy to get into, but its honestly not. Because you're basically getting into something that is not considered for Western tastes at all (no matter what Twitter/journos think, all this stuff is made for the Japanese) and also has a different publishing dynamic. Which a lot of people don't think about, but it is a heavy influence. The values are different, the themes are different and sometimes it is just too much of a cultural difference or too much time to figure it all out than most want to be bothered.

Its not as simple as people make it out to be.

EDIT:

For example, I love Berserk, Psychopass, Ghost in the Shell but I also watch romantic comedies like My Dress Up Darling. Nobody here in their right mind would recommend me My Dress Up Darling if I said I loved those three series. But I've been watching anime since I'm a kid, so I know what I like. Its going to take time to figure it all out and generally I find recommendations are only general starting points. Largely, you're going to have to jump in for yourself and experiment. And a lot of the time keep Twitter/Anime Reviews and Comments out of your head, because this shit is very much based on personal taste.

I've absolutely, positively, have got to agree with you on the subs vs. dubs debate. Most dubs are frankly God awful. Just for a personal example, I prefer the subbed version of Princess Mononoke to the dubbed version. It feels far more natural to watch a Japanese story being told in Japanese, with subtitles to help those of us who don't know the tongue, than the alternative. Watching it dubbed was like watching Family Guy in French, it just feels off.

Also, voice acting in Japan, as far as I know, isn't as much of an incestuous, disgusting circlejerk as western voice acting. Granted, it could be as bad, but considering the amount of rape accusations, "woke", and general scumminess of many, at least the Japan try to have some standards of conduct.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Anime is (I don't care what anyone says) still very difficult to get into if you didn't consume it from an early age.

This explains so much, although I wonder if it was easier for teenagers/adults back in the days of tape-swapping to get into anime simply because anime was literally scarce and bizarre enough to catch someone's attention. Also those folks tended to already be geeks in some fashion, and there was still a lot of action movies with buff guys, bouncy girls, and blood and guts to go around, which manga and anime love to death.

But since you pointed that out, it also explains why I get a bit miffed whenever people rip apart old dubs from the '90s for their censorship and stuff, because if it wasn't for the fact those distributors had to follow strict FCC guidelines just to air those shows on public television, I might not have become an anime fan. (Hell, most of those complainers probably wouldn't have become fans.) There was a chance I still could've gotten into anime later since I'm an animation geek (although I wonder if it was anime that turned me into an animation geek ), but I wouldn't have had those memories of seeing Pokémon and Digimon as a kid, wouldn't have become enthralled with Cardcaptors its first go-round on Kids' WB, wouldn't have been there for Yu-Gi-Oh!'s first American broadcast and seen all the weird fever-dream shit 4KIDS put on Fox Box, wouldn't have been gifted the Escaflowne movie for my 13th birthday. And prior to Escaflowne, I didn't know those shows were called "Japanimation anime" at the time until middle school, but I knew that over time, I was preferring them over newer cartoons because something about them was different. Something about those shows were more visually appealing, and you could tell voices apart in those dubs (unlike nowadays).

I get frustrated over newcomers when they gloss over my numerous recommendations that I knew would be similar to whatever popular shows on Toonami they liked, and I wonder if it's due to lack of availability (most normies can't seem to pirate) or if they don't actually care enough to delve further into anime. Given the fact many of them won't watch anime from before 2008 (though that's starting to change to like 2012 now) because they "look old" or have "rough story-telling" after everything's gone digital and more flashy, that suggests they never got exposed to actual old media when they were young and are too stubborn in their ways to go digging unless social media trends tell them so.

Being oldtaku is such sorrow.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

This explains so much, although I wonder if it was easier for teenagers/adults back in the days of tape-swapping to get into anime simply because anime was literally scarce and bizarre enough to catch someone's attention. Also those folks tended to already be geeks in some fashion, and there was still a lot of action movies with buff guys, bouncy girls, and blood and guts to go around, which manga and anime love to death.

But since you pointed that out, it also explains why I get a bit miffed whenever people rip apart old dubs from the '90s for their censorship and stuff, because if it wasn't for the fact those distributors had to follow strict FCC guidelines just to air those shows on public television, I might not have become an anime fan. (Hell, most of those complainers probably wouldn't have become fans.) There was a chance I still could've gotten into anime later since I'm an animation geek (although I wonder if it was anime that turned me into an animation geek ), but I wouldn't have had those memories of seeing Pokémon and Digimon as a kid, wouldn't have become enthralled with Cardcaptors its first go-round on Kids' WB, wouldn't have been there for Yu-Gi-Oh!'s first American broadcast and seen all the weird fever-dream shit 4KIDS put on Fox Box, wouldn't have been gifted the Escaflowne movie for my 13th birthday. And prior to Escaflowne, I didn't know those shows were called "Japanimation anime" at the time until middle school, but I knew that over time, I was preferring them over newer cartoons because something about them was different. Something about those shows were more visually appealing, and you could tell voices apart in those dubs (unlike nowadays).

I get frustrated over newcomers when they gloss over my numerous recommendations that I knew would be similar to whatever popular shows on Toonami they liked, and I wonder if it's due to lack of availability (most normies can't seem to pirate) or if they don't actually care enough to delve further into anime. Given the fact many of them won't watch anime from before 2008 (though that's starting to change to like 2012 now) because they "look old" or have "rough story-telling" after everything's gone digital and more flashy, that suggests they never got exposed to actual old media when they were young and are too stubborn in their ways to go digging unless social media trends tell them so.

Being oldtaku is such sorrow.

I know the feeling, I know the feeling. I'm a zoomer myself, but I like to think of myself from time to time as the reincarnation of a salaryman who enjoyed a few shows in the 80s, Dirty Pair and Urusei Yatsura in particular.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I've absolutely, positively, have got to agree with you on the subs vs. dubs debate. Most dubs are frankly God awful. Just for a personal example, I prefer the subbed version of Princess Mononoke to the dubbed version. It feels far more natural to watch a Japanese story being told in Japanese, with subtitles to help those of us who don't know the tongue, than the alternative. Watching it dubbed was like watching Family Guy in French, it just feels off.

Also, voice acting in Japan, as far as I know, isn't as much of an incestuous, disgusting circlejerk as western voice acting. Granted, it could be as bad, but considering the amount of rape accusations, "woke", and general scumminess of many, at least the Japan try to have some standards of conduct.

Yeah. The problems with dubs in the states is that basically they're done at bargain basement prices and you're basically going with the lowest bidder, while in Japan voice acting is taken a lot more seriously and there's a lot of them. As far as I know, they're taken a lot more seriously and do a lot better work. Another reason early dubs were done better is that a lot of anime wasn't really dubbed so you had to hire professionals to do it. Which is why FMA and Bebop have great dubs, but anything after that era is pure fucking trash.

Not to mention that people who write dubs are even fucking worse than people who write subs. Like I said, you can watch a dub and I can watch the sub and they're two fucking different shows. If you though the people writing subs took liberties, than holy shit you have NOT seen what butchery dub writers do. It isn't just about the bad voice acting, its about the absolutely fucking terrible translation. It also removes a lot of what make anime unique. Also all American voice actors are EXTREMELY melodramatic nowadays and sound fucking retarded.

This explains so much, although I wonder if it was easier for teenagers/adults back in the days of tape-swapping to get into anime simply because anime was literally scarce and bizarre enough to catch someone's attention. Also those folks tended to already be geeks in some fashion, and there was still a lot of action movies with buff guys, bouncy girls, and blood and guts to go around, which manga and anime love to death.

But since you pointed that out, it also explains why I get a bit miffed whenever people rip apart old dubs from the '90s for their censorship and stuff, because if it wasn't for the fact those distributors had to follow strict FCC guidelines just to air those shows on public television, I might not have become an anime fan. (Hell, most of those complainers probably wouldn't have become fans.) There was a chance I still could've gotten into anime later since I'm an animation geek (although I wonder if it was anime that turned me into an animation geek ), but I wouldn't have had those memories of seeing Pokémon and Digimon as a kid, wouldn't have become enthralled with Cardcaptors its first go-round on Kids' WB, wouldn't have been there for Yu-Gi-Oh!'s first American broadcast and seen all the weird fever-dream shit 4KIDS put on Fox Box, wouldn't have been gifted the Escaflowne movie for my 13th birthday. And prior to Escaflowne, I didn't know those shows were called "Japanimation anime" at the time until middle school, but I knew that over time, I was preferring them over newer cartoons because something about them was different. Something about those shows were more visually appealing, and you could tell voices apart in those dubs (unlike nowadays).

I get frustrated over newcomers when they gloss over my numerous recommendations that I knew would be similar to whatever popular shows on Toonami they liked, and I wonder if it's due to lack of availability (most normies can't seem to pirate) or if they don't actually care enough to delve further into anime. Given the fact many of them won't watch anime from before 2008 (though that's starting to change to like 2012 now) because they "look old" or have "rough story-telling" after everything's gone digital and more flashy, that suggests they never got exposed to actual old media when they were young and are too stubborn in their ways to go digging unless social media trends tell them so.

Being oldtaku is such sorrow.

Getting into anime back in the late 80s, early 90s was basically what you could catch. For me, the first anime I ever saw was Akira and then I grew up with Lodoss War, Sailor Moon, Macross Plus and Project A-Ko and probably a lot of other ones I forget now. I honestly do not miss the fucking tape days, because some video stores would have "Part 1", "Part 5" and "Part 7" and you'd have to go to 30 more stores to have a whole series.

Though the tapes REALLY amped it up with the UNCENSORED labels (even if it was just stuff that was cut from airing on TV). Its sort of hilarious, because a lot of anime didn't make any fucking sense because it was cut to fucking pieces. Also the dubs back in those days were LITERAL translations. Which is why they're so stilted, because its almost like machine translation today. (Which is honestly better than modern fucking dubs because the people who write those think they can actually write and they really fucking can't).

I mean, some stuff holds up and some other stuff doesn't. The 4Kids dub happened on Ghost Story because they were given absolutely no scripts and it is an amazing piece of improv comedy that could never happen today.

The nature of anime also changed as well. Back in the day it was almost all OVAs. Very few things were serialized and it was kind of random what got serialized and what didn't. There were movies, OVAs and (rarely) series. Nowadays its basically movies and series, with OVAs being bonuses. The problem is that anime, especially in the 90s, was REALLY cut to shit and a lot of it was bizarre because it was cut to pieces. You had to be fucking dedicated and either catch the right airing or get the right tape. A lot of the time it didn't make fucking sense, which was one of the reasons I kind of came and went, rejoining back in college, dropping it again and picking it back up now when its more stable.

The sad thing is that now new 'anime fans' are actually fans like one fucking series and don't know shit about anything else, and then bitch and whine whenever something different comes along that challenges them. Fuck these people, seriously. I pay attention to none of them because they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I know the feeling, I know the feeling. I'm a zoomer myself, but I like to think of myself from time to time as the reincarnation of a salaryman who enjoyed a few shows in the 80s, Dirty Pair and Urusei Yatsura in particular.

You're that rare breed of Zoomer, then. I've only had success with one Zoomer (not counting my little brother) but that's because we've been online friends for a little over a decade now and I got to see his tastes evolve real-time and that he was open to anime, first new(ish) and then old. Something about old-school schlocky OVAs really clicked with him, but he still has specific tastes when it comes to that era so there's only a finite of titles for him to find.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Susan Roman (amazing lady, badass, Sailor Jupiter) has spoken at panels at how much more complicated it was to dub Sailor Moon. In terms of dialogue and affliction in particular. When you scream or have a shocked reaction you might go "eek" or "ahh" but in keeping time with the dub they may have to go overtime with the particular scene. It's why many anime dubs have those slightly prolonged "Ahhh!" noises.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I'm not sure if the dubs were GOOD or they're just what I started with and aren't bad. Evangelion, FMA, FLCL, Gurren Lagan, and Cowboy Beboop I still only watch dubs despite avoiding them like the plague for everything else.

Honestly there are several good dubs, it's just there are so many good ones. But there are only 5 anime whose dubs I consider vastly superior to the sub

Cowboy Bebop since it feels like the voices fit the characters much more and it has a lot of professionalism put into it.

Death Note due to how it is a very dialogue heavy anime and the voice actors really put their best foot forward to capture the characters well.

Panty and Stocking due to the show by nature being a very westernized anime that parodies a lot of American pop culture that it feels fitting.

Baccano due to the setting being in America and helps be immersive with the time period the show takes place in.

Finally there's FMAB but that's a unique case of the fact most of the voice cast had done these characters before so they have a very good understanding of them.

Outside of that dubs are either good, trash, or can be hilariously bad.

But on the topic of anime being better than western stuff, it's pretty much the variety that comes down to it since there is a lot more variety to anime/manga than Western television especially in animation which are either cartoons for kids, capeshit, or comedy for adults. Like there is good stuff of course but it's more bad than good.

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

Hey, if we're talking about good dubs, Deadman Wonderland had a great one, and I'll always stand by that. Arguably better than the subs due to subject matter being more befitting of an English dub as opposed to a Japanese one.

 

[HexFag]

You're that rare breed of Zoomer, then. I've only had success with one Zoomer (not counting my little brother) but that's because we've been online friends for a little over a decade now and I got to see his tastes evolve real-time and that he was open to anime, first new(ish) and then old. Something about old-school schlocky OVAs really clicked with him, but he still has specific tastes when it comes to that era so there's only a finite of titles for him to find.

I know the feeling, I know the feeling. I'm a zoomer myself, but I like to think of myself from time to time as the reincarnation of a salaryman who enjoyed a few shows in the 80s, Dirty Pair and Urusei Yatsura in particular.

Being a zoomer who watches older anime is absolutely dreadful. A lot of people my age avoid anything before 2010 like the plague which makes it really hard to relate with them.

I never understood the aversion to older anime though. Cel animation is absolutely gorgeous and soulful as fuck and a lot of old OVAs are something that could never exist in the anime landscape of today. They're also just genuinely good and fun watches if you have a group of friends. When watching newer anime, you can definitely notice that there's just something missing that older anime have.

I've been going through Urusei Yatsura recently and showing clips to friends and while they laugh and really like it, you could not pay them to watch the series or anything old that I recommend. Now I could just be bitter that my shitty anime recommendations are being blown off for whatever flavor of the month seasonal is airing but I do think that older anime should be appreciated just as much as the newer stuff.

It also doesn't help that zoomers are even more media illiterate than millennials so all they really watch is whatever popular seasonal garbage is shat out on Crunchyroll. It really is a shame that things have to be this way.

This is kind of a side tangent, but I never understood why zoomers who like shonen anime have this weird aversion towards mecha anime. This could simply be me and the people I interact with, but they just avoid mecha like the plague when you'd think mecha and shonen would be way closer than you think.

Honestly there are several good dubs, it's just there are so many good ones. But there are only 5 anime whose dubs I consider vastly superior to the sub

Cowboy Bebop since it feels like the voices fit the characters much more and it has a lot of professionalism put into it.

Death Note due to how it is a very dialogue heavy anime and the voice actors really put their best foot forward to capture the characters well.

Panty and Stocking due to the show by nature being a very westernized anime that parodies a lot of American pop culture that it feels fitting.

Baccano due to the setting being in America and helps be immersive with the time period the show takes place in.

Finally there's FMAB but that's a unique case of the fact most of the voice cast had done these characters before so they have a very good understanding of them.

Outside of that dubs are either good, trash, or can be hilariously bad.

But on the topic of anime being better than western stuff, it's pretty much the variety that comes down to it since there is a lot more variety to anime/manga than Western television especially in animation which are either cartoons for kids, capeshit, or comedy for adults. Like there is good stuff of course but it's more bad than good.

The Big O's dub suprisingly fits way better than I thought and still holds up. Maybe I'm biased towards Steve Blum, but the dub is way better than I expected.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

This is kind of a side tangent, but I never understood why zoomers who like shonen anime have this weird aversion towards mecha anime. This could simply be me and the people I interact with, but they just avoid mecha like the plague when you'd think mecha and shonen would be way closer than you think.

Because mecha anime in the 2010s sucked so much ass, that's why. Darling in the FranXX only got popular because of Trigger but that fanbase fell apart super quick.

 

[HexFag]

Because mecha anime in the 2010s sucked so much ass, that's why. Darling in the FranXX only got popular because of Trigger but that fanbase fell apart super quick.

I just remembered Darling and the Franxx existed and now my day is ruined. What a fuckin trainwreck.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

YuYu Hakusho has one of the few English dubs I think is objectively better than the Japanese one. I think the English script also has more flavor to it.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I just remembered Darling and the Franxx existed and now my day is ruined. What a fuckin trainwreck.

Lol I still haven't watched past episode 7 and I've tried my absolute damndest to avoid spoilers. I need to rewatch it from the beginning whenever I decide to go back to it.

OP slaps, though.

 

[HexFag]

Lol I still haven't watched past episode 7 and I've tried my absolute damndest to avoid spoilers. I need to rewatch it from the beginning whenever I decide to go back to it.

OP slaps, though.

I won't spoil anything but it gets frustratingly bad around the point where the production is done by A1-Pictures instead of Trigger, the drop-off in quality is very noticeable.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I won't spoil anything but it gets frustratingly bad around the point where the production is done by A1-Pictures instead of Trigger,

I fucking knew it. Everything A1 Pictures touches turns to dogshit, knew that Darling's problems were due to them.

Space Brothers is like the exception to the rule but I haven't finished it.

 

[LightDragonman1]

I just remembered Darling and the Franxx existed and now my day is ruined. What a fuckin trainwreck.

Lol I still haven't watched past episode 7 and I've tried my absolute damndest to avoid spoilers. I need to rewatch it from the beginning whenever I decide to go back to it.

OP slaps, though.

I won't spoil anything but it gets frustratingly bad around the point where the production is done by A1-Pictures instead of Trigger, the drop-off in quality is very noticeable.

I'd say to at least get to episode 15, as that is the peak of the series, and honestly one of my favorite anime episodes period. After that though, ......yeah.

I've heard rumors that the production was rushed and they didn't have plan past the 15th episodes, and I'm inclined to believe them, because it explains so much about the drop in quality. Even so, the relationship between Hiro and Zero Two remains the one saving grace for me that keeps me from hating it, but I understand why so many ended up hating the show.

At the very least, Zero Two's character and fanbase has remained popular, and the show is still getting merchandise and the like in Japan, along with the manga finally being localized for the West. Maybe the creators will eventually go back to it eventually and give it a much better conclusion than the trainwreck that was its last episodes one day. Probably won't happen though.

And now I wait for that one poster here who always gets triggered whenever I say anything remotely positive about Franxx.

 

[Safir]

Because like @Gar For Archer said, that is the Shounen genre you are describing which is literally written for teenage boys in Japan.

Even then, whenever I read / watch a popular Shounen, it ends up being more adult, serious, and respectful than a popular Seinen. (It's probably because Seinen gets pre-filtered by the Anglo (wo)manchild fandom and Shounen does not.)

As an example, in an episode of my favorite (Shounen) show, an aging big game hunter, his neglected young groupie turned wife, and her fuckboy went trophy hunting. After a setback, the two loveybirds try to make a run for it and the fuckboy betrays the wife and dies. The wife realizes she loves the husband after all and follows him, they try to save each other from the villain, the husband dies, and the wife decides to live as a hermit guarding his grave. The protagonist, a preteen boy, looks at all this and thinks, "man, adults are weird". That's a serious adult plot presented for children. (There are also gunfights, chases, explosions, genocide, wars masterminded by (((media magnates))), cat killings, a recurring character quoting Ted Kaczynski, and the goddess of youth taking her tits out on the regular - all in all, wholesome family entertainment.)

Meanwhile, popular Seinen make a pretense of challenging the (wo)manchild reader with gore and shitting dick nipples while catering to and placating his/her emo faggy worldview. "No, no, it's the outside world that's wrong. Here's a man fucking another man's neck wound. Would children read something like this? Of course not! This proves you're an adult! Don't they dare to look down on you! Buy our books!" And because protagonists need to recover from the damage they take at the speed of plot, Seinen protagonists have to be Better Than Normies but are still whiny cunts despite that.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

Hey, if we're talking about good dubs, Deadman Wonderland had a great one, and I'll always stand by that. Arguably better than the subs due to subject matter being more befitting of an English dub as opposed to a Japanese one.

here is a hot take. i prefer azumanga daioh dubbed.

 

[ZMOT]

Honestly, it'd probably be easier to start in manga since that's vast and really easy to slip in and out of.

I mean, for me, I got started with Akira when it first hit video stores. I should have NOT been watching that at that age, but I was hooked. There really wasn't anything like it back then.

zoomers are even less likely to read (even if it's comics) than watch japanese cartoons.
I also don't think it's that hard to get into anime in general, just some factors that play into each other. for starters most people don't want to "read" a movie, so they watch it dubbed. given most dubs are crap and not everything gets dubbed, that already limits what's available and influences their quality (for example even the dubbed version of your name over here used the typical animu voice for mizuha, when the original itself was far more realistic - and that was a movie licensed by an established distributor so more money to throw around and the dubbing scene over here isn't as incestuous since almost everything gets dubbed anyway. meanwhile the spirited away dub is damn good).

besides that imo it's also quite a culture shock, even subconsciously. you have people that watch absolute dreg on tv, so have absolute zero standards, yet still think all anime is kiddie shit on the level of saturday morning cartoons - those types of preconceptions are hard to overcome since most people aren't even aware of it. they simply don't expect "something cartoony" to be serious and deep (depending what you watch of course, but even moeshit can be considered to have deeper themes than "adult" entertainment like family guy). or going with akira, by itself, going strictly by the content, isn't anything extraordinary and it's still cartoon gore at the end of the day - yet anyone who watched it can probably attest it's anything but and there's a lot more to it.

the last part is the media itself, since most anime are structured differently than your average western 3 act setup. people start watching it and are bored because it doesn't immediately tickle their western conditioned ADHD brain since the "payoff" happens later, or not at all if it's something like iyashikei.

TLDR: it's different which is enough for people to not like it and dismiss it.

EDIT: something I forgot to mention, most people suck at recommendations (similar how most people suck at teaching). they go by what they like (and understand), which isn't necessary bad but often not exactly helpful either. it's like asking for some intro reading material "since someone likes books they can probably recommend something good", and then get hit with jane austen or dostoyevsky. heck half the time it's simpler to just ask what they don't like and go with that, at least then you can get a better picture since usually they can explain why they don't like something (inb4 "it's shit").

Didn't know that. To me, anime was anime. People rave about how much better it is compared to modern western media but every time I try to watch one (either through recommendation or on KF movie night) I'm left unsatisfied at best.
Then again, I have my own boring tastes in media so I probably shouldn't be worrying myself about it too much and stick to the stuff I do like.

like what? in the end anime is just an art form, of course some stuff gets produced more than others (basic supply and demand), but even if not every season has an equal share of everything there's so much coming out per year there's good chance to catch something worthwhile, even when you consider sturgeon's law.

I wouldn't also worry too much about the genre itself, there are even guys who prefer shoujo stuff (you don't wanna know how many guys like sailor moon - for various reasons). you just need to be aware different cultures produce different entertainment, so has it's own intricacies. doesn't mean it's better or worse, but it offers something to some people who can't get anywhere else, to the point they prefer it to the homegrown stuff (especially in current year).

 

[Dom Cruise]

Honestly there are several good dubs, it's just there are so many good ones. But there are only 5 anime whose dubs I consider vastly superior to the sub

Cowboy Bebop since it feels like the voices fit the characters much more and it has a lot of professionalism put into it.

Death Note due to how it is a very dialogue heavy anime and the voice actors really put their best foot forward to capture the characters well.

Panty and Stocking due to the show by nature being a very westernized anime that parodies a lot of American pop culture that it feels fitting.

Baccano due to the setting being in America and helps be immersive with the time period the show takes place in.

Finally there's FMAB but that's a unique case of the fact most of the voice cast had done these characters before so they have a very good understanding of them.

Outside of that dubs are either good, trash, or can be hilariously bad.

But on the topic of anime being better than western stuff, it's pretty much the variety that comes down to it since there is a lot more variety to anime/manga than Western television especially in animation which are either cartoons for kids, capeshit, or comedy for adults. Like there is good stuff of course but it's more bad than good.

Panty and Stocking is I think the only show I've seen in it's entirety both subbed and dubbed, while I like the sub (especially the way the demon sisters say "RURU!") but the dub is indeed really good.

One of the most underrated dubs is R.O.D The TV.

Being a zoomer who watches older anime is absolutely dreadful. A lot of people my age avoid anything before 2010 like the plague which makes it really hard to relate with them.

This REALLY bothers me.

Congratulations on missing literally all of the best anime if your cutoff point is fucking 2010.