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vern said:
Well it looks like manga sales in the US finally surpassed its former 2007 peak
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Manga Sales in North America Hit All-Time High in 2020

Passing 2007 Peak
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Article doesn't give an exact number but guessing from the graph its around $240-245 million

Still nothing compared to the japanese market which made 612.6 Billion Yen (around $5.5 billion) in the same year.
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Interesting, didn’t know there WAS a 2007 peak. What exactly caused such a drop in the middle?
 
vern said:
I haven't really seen anyone talk about gate for awhile and while iirc it sold pretty well I don't think it caught on very much since there haven't been to many military isekai, which I find a little disappointing since I'll admit that niche is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me when they don't go completely "Nippon Banzai"
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I'm the same, I love both modern and medieval militaria so something like GATE was basically made for me. I'd love more of it because I really enjoyed watching the fights where the people just don't understand how guns work, and it's also fun to watch jets fight a dragon. Episode 6 with the Apocalypse Now parody is by far the best episode and no-one can convince me otherwise.

Some similar scenes I remember are when Saito gets the Zero in Zero No Tsukaima, and the scene with the Zero and the Gatling Gun in Drifters.

Gar For Archer said:
Interesting, didn’t know there WAS a 2007 peak. What exactly caused such a drop in the middle?
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That was the big anime bubble burst from the late 2000s when ADV collapsed under their own weight and basically took everyone down with them I'm pretty sure.
 
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Where do you guys read your japanese comics nowadays? Old mangadex was almost peak functionality.
 
Gar For Archer said:
Interesting, didn’t know there WAS a 2007 peak. What exactly caused such a drop in the middle?
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Iirc the main cause was Borders going bankrupt and Tokyopop somewhat imploding, but I think adv and geneon going under both effected things since a lot of people pick up manga through anime and stuff like toonami being cancelled and viz pulling their jump magazine from stores like Walmart and Target didn't help.

Also the recession happened.
 
vern said:
Iirc the main cause was Borders going bankrupt and Tokyopop somewhat imploding, but I think adv and geneon going under both effected things since a lot of people pick up manga through anime and stuff like toonami being cancelled and viz pulling their jump magazine from stores like Walmart and Target didn't help.

Also the recession happened.
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Interesting. I wonder if the sales dip was accompanied by a similarly huge dip in online interest/activity, or if people were still watching/discussing but just not buying shit due to lack of availability from all the big importers and distributors going under and the recession meaning less money to sink into hobbies.
 
Gar For Archer said:
Interesting. I wonder if the sales dip was accompanied by a similarly huge dip in online interest/activity, or if people were still watching/discussing but just not buying shit due to lack of availability from all the big importers and distributors going under and the recession meaning less money to sink into hobbies.
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I am not an analyst, but I do find it interesting that the bottom of the dip was 2012, which happens to be the year of the Adult Swim Toonami revival. I know fewer people are watching TV these days, so the two events might not be correlated. I can't speak for others, but I know that's a big factor in what got me back into anime after not paying much attention for quite a few years, though. Those early days of watching a Toonami stream with a bunch of 4chan anons, shitposting all the while...fun times. Then I started to get into other stuff, old and new, and here I am today.
 
GhostButt said:
Holy shit this perfectly tracks my disintrist in weebshit, imma call it "the moe crash", god what an ugly era.
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Moe has the redeeming value of repelling normies unlike isekai trash. Perfect for filtering and gatekeeping. I'll take generic moeshit any day over generic isekai trash, it's all just cheap cashgrabs anyway.
 
vern said:
Iirc the main cause was Borders going bankrupt and Tokyopop somewhat imploding, but I think adv and geneon going under both effected things since a lot of people pick up manga through anime and stuff like toonami being cancelled and viz pulling their jump magazine from stores like Walmart and Target didn't help.

Also the recession happened.
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2007 was just a dry year for media in general, the recession just didn't help.

Trying to remember what happened in 2011-2012 to make manga sales tank so low, like that was a pretty steep drop there.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
2007 was just a dry year for media in general, the recession just didn't help.

Trying to remember what happened in 2011-2012 to make manga sales tank so low, like that was a pretty steep drop there.
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The big earthquake happened around there didnt it? The one that got the Madoka finale delayed for ages
 
vern said:
Iirc the main cause was Borders going bankrupt and Tokyopop somewhat imploding, but I think adv and geneon going under both effected things since a lot of people pick up manga through anime and stuff like toonami being cancelled and viz pulling their jump magazine from stores like Walmart and Target didn't help.

Also the recession happened.
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viz, adv, urban vision, tokyopop, central park media, manga entertainment, they all tanked around there. dark horse limited their manga releases around then too. asian horror movie distro tartan uk tanked then too. just a collapse of industry in general.
 
It's a little later than 2007 but I think Bandai Entertainment's English-translated manga imprint was folded around 2009 or 2010, leaving those of us who were buying Eri Takenashi's original Kannagi: Crazy Shrine Maidens manga upon which the then-recent anime adaptation was based with just three officially-translated volumes (where the last chapter of volume 3 was precisely where the anime ended, not counting the OVAs which were side stories anyway).
 
vern said:
Well it looks like manga sales in the US finally surpassed its former 2007 peak
icv2.com

Manga Sales in North America Hit All-Time High in 2020

Passing 2007 Peak
icv2.com icv2.com
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Article doesn't give an exact number but guessing from the graph its around $240-245 million

Still nothing compared to the japanese market which made 612.6 Billion Yen (around $5.5 billion) in the same year.
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Imo the publishers would make a lot more money if they set up a subscription site for their western markets, and allowed fan translations for mangas on the site if they didn't think an official translation would be all that popular (free labor). A lot of people just aren't interested in buying physical copies in the west and trying to individually sell digital copies sure as shit isn't going to work. Having a subscription site would also allow them to get advertisement revenue, sell their other products, and test the waters so to speak with indie mangas for basically free. Hell, a publisher like Square Enix could even make an absolute mint off of it by selling their games on the site at a slight discount over Steam which takes a 30% cut.
 
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